@FireandBlood - While this is 100% true it still made money for them; this other movies did not make any studio money.

@FireandBlood - No doubt, Zack Snyder was the wrong choice to spearhead DC Universe.

@FireandBlood - Funny you should post that gif, speaking about blunders, another blunder was Deontay Wilder not taking that 3 fight/$100 million dollar deal DAZN offered him to fight Anthony Joshua, which were very winnable fights, instead of taking chump change to get KO'd by Fury. Hindsight is a MFer.

@FireandBlood - 1) wonder woman was the movie immediately after it, directly tying its story to that of bvs, and was not only loved by audiences but made about the same as bvs. Sure, the series eventually fell apart, but there were still solid film releases in the dceu. And the main problem is they gave a half hearted reboot attempt to justice league with no plan on how that would work, and no plan on where the franchise would go after Snyder.

2) dude, nobody went to that film. And that's with the brand recognition of the mcu. This is showing their brand recognition is gone. They're delaying films left and right, ordering massive reshoots, and completely starting over some of their biggest projects, including both avengers movies. And FYI, people still remember captain marvel.

@FireandBlood - BvS made close 900 Million. It set up Wonder Woman and Aquaman both were massive hits. David Ayer's Suicide Squad also came immediately following and also was a hit. Did the studio overreact? Absolutely and guess what? Most people can look back and say DC should have stayed course. Since Snyder split with the studio, only Aquaman has done good. A film by the way where Wan included Snyder in the process.

@Origame - They’re changing the direction of the MCU because their lead star might be going to jail and because of Disney+, not because of The Marvels. Literally every movie leading up to Kang Dynasty is still in production, nothing has changed at all on that front. Honestly, the rubbish you come out with. 😂

The problem is, you’ve spent so much time of your life putting so much importance on a movie Marvel cares less about than you, so now you’re trying to make The Marvels into this cataclysmic event that it’s not, when all the movie was, was glorified filler. It cost them money, but it changed nothing.

@FireandBlood - You are absolutely right. Marvel is not even close to being in a similar position to DC right now. Marvel has nowhere to go but down.

@Origame - And guess what? Daredevil is 1) A Disney+ show and 2) Was being retooled before The Marvels dropped. There’s no connection. And we all know Captain America is being retooled because of the Israel/Palestine conflict. This is what I mean about you being disingenuous. The Marvels has nothing to do with either of those projects or the reasons behind them being retooled, yet somehow, it’s a bigger failure than a movie that literally lead to the death of an entire brand. Haha, okay then, bud 🥴

@FireandBlood - 1) so what if it's a disney+ series? That proves nothing. Marvel has always treated the series the way they've treated the movies. And you do know we had projections and online discourse when it came to the marvels, right? Even if it was on the high end for projections, it was still gonna flop because of the massive budget. Or do you think it's a coincidence the end credits with beast just leaked? Or all those reshoots for the marvels that happened?

2) everything pertaining to Israeli/Palestine would've been caught in filming. And since it's from a minor character who isn't even Palestinian in this version, it's not enough for a massive retooling. It's been confirmed they're doing the reshoots because the movie didn't work. The specific problem was lackluster action sequences, but let's face it. It's more than that.

3) bvs was released in 2016. It is this year, 2023 that the brand is now basically dead. That's 7 years it took. Ignoring the other factors, you're seriously saying a film that took 7 years to kill the brand had more of a negative impact on a movie that has only been out for 2 weekends, despite the one from 7 years ago actually making a profit? Ffs are you desperate 🤣

@Baf - This is 100% true except when DC copied, they did it so poorly, they flooded the market with shit. They need to focus on the movie making, and forget prioritising all this shared universe rubbish. People loved Joker and The Batman for a reason.

@Baf - And which movie was that? Oh right, the one movie outside of their main canon. The one movie they actually put a lick of effort into, instead trying to “copy” Marvel for once. As I said, that works for them, and that’s what they should stick to. Instead, they’re out of here trying to copy Marvel again.

@FireandBlood - DC more or less threw shit at the wall just to see what might stick. Marvel, however, is the one that straight up flooded the market. As the waters receded, you could smell the remains. The question is where in the Marvel timeline did things start turning sour? The answer to that is subjective.

@NickScryer

The 300 mil budget has also since been debunked.

@Origame -
I remember. Is he someone's cousin? Are they paying him?

@Origame - because Josh is a simp idiot. I guarantee you he had that thumbnail ready to go before The Marvels opening weekend for his triumphant smash the patriarchy post.

@EZBeast - just FYI, Josh mightve blocked you.

@bkmeijer1 - he’s using a very loose version of sarcasm