Tonytony comments on issues he has with marvel/disney fandom

@matador @matador yeah they announced cyborg and that is a black lead also they announced wonder woman too.

So, dc is virgin mary and marvel/disney is the devil who is trying to corrupt
#protectdcvirginty

Good god, the conspiracy theories you're spinning here is absolute bollocks.

#TriggerMeTimbers!

This is the biggest problem with the D.C fan community as a whole: victimizing themselves and the brand they are loyal to.

When somebody doesn't like Man of Steel, they don't like the movie. Nobody is BULLYING Zach Snyder or the movie, they are giving their opinion. There are some qualities that rubbed people the wrong way; EXACT qualities that can be pinpointed. It isn't vague like the claim that all Marvel movies are comedies without any really evidence as to why this is. A lot of people, most just casual movie goers who have no stake one way or another (Brad Jones, Doug Walker, etc. ...who are the most casual of casual fans that they don't know what Marvel does or doesn't own.), just didn't like the movie. That doesn't constitute bullying. IF it was, I could state that anything is bullying. I could say that this whole article was bully behavior to Marvel fans ...but that would be petty and,oh yeah, absolutely crazy reasoning.

When there are bots spreading hate towards B V S, that isn't some massive conspiracy against the WB. It is some silly Marvel troll having no time on his hands. Here is what people who make this "smear campaign" argument don't get: both sides have petty assholes. It is no different than atheism and the christians. One person does one thing, and the other side points there finger at the group as the whole to say "SEE! THEY ARE ALL LIKE THAT."

Let us, be realistic here for moment ...why would Disney need to do something so petty? The answer is they don't. They own the [frick]ing world right now. Do they care about competition? Yes. Enough to stoop to internet troll levels? Absolutely not. I worked for the Disney corporation for five years and have come back with one truth: they let their fandom do the dirty work for them. They never needed to worry about something below the corporate level of things, because their devout fans of their product will do the promoting and fighting for them. This sort of internet warfare is below them as a corporation. The name of the game with them has always been "provide the world with a quality product with as much money and imagination as possible ...and the people will do the rest." They fight their opponents head on in facts, figures, and ideas, not petty internet flame wars. It makes no sense for the most powerful company in the world to behave that way.

With Anthony Mackie, you are focusing on ONE aspect of his interviews that supports your opinion ...and ignoring that he is just an obnoxious ass in general. I think he is a great actor, but there has been numerous reports of him being something of a child. Remember, there was a time when he would call the Marvel offices non-stop to to campaign to in Age of Ultron when that movie was still in development. Disney didn't ask him to say that shit, he didn't on his own because he is a grown up child. Notice, the BIG stars do not pick these fights because they are business men and women; they get that. You would think, if there was this mass conspiracy, that the big D would want the people with the most influence saying this crap. It would Evans, Feige, RDJ, Johansson saying this stuff, and not Sebastian Stan and Mackie. The former are brand names who are exclusively tied to the Marvel name and big name actors/incredibly influential figures in the media, while the latter are two supporting/character actors in holiday. Nobody associates them with the brand.

What you are doing is petty in its own right and it is a sad group think that the D.C community does as whole ...and I have no idea why they think it works. I am going to use two examples here, the first is personal and the second is another group of people that have been using the same tactic.

Okay, so first the personal. My mom is a hot mess of a human being. She is always in trouble and it is NEVER her fault. She loses her job, it is never because she straight up insults her boss to her face, it is because her boss could not handle criticism. If she doesn't get a job, it isn't because she wouldn't stop talking about how much money she was going to get paid when CONSTANTLY asked not to, it is because they were a company who didn't know what they were doing. Why was she a horrible parent who never had food in the house, rent, or money that kept the power on, but somehow always had money to go the movies and buy herself new clothes? Because my dad was a terrible husband to her. It was NEVER anything she was doing wrong, but she was a mess because the way somebody else. She took NO RESPONSIBILITY for the things she didn't do right and instead said it was the rest of the world's problem. Do you not see a little correlation here to the way she behaves and the way people act when it comes to something like M.O.S. Instead of looking at some of the things the movie did wrong, it is the critics and the Marvel-nati not getting it or this massive conspiracy against YOU. You are playing D.C off as some kind of victim, passing the blame to everyone else, and not looking internally as to maybe what the company might not have been doing right.

How do we know the difference? The same reason I know that my mom is wrong when she says that finding a job is impossible: the side of the victim never points out ANY of their own flaws. D.C is perfect and everyone else is just picking on them. No property is ever perfect. Marvel certainly isn't. It is never "Yes, the destruction of Metropolis might have been over the top." There is never admitting ANY flaw or blame and just trying to present things in black and white terms. That is my biggest tell of someone playing the victim card, because I have dealt with it my whole damn life.

Now, for a more universal example: the Republican party over the last few years, ESPECIALLY when Obama was put in office. So ...when Bush was in Office, there was a huge outcry against him because what he was doing in office. There was EVERY reason to criticize him because we, as a country, were doing things we were not supposed to be doing, wasting our budget doing it. When Obama gets put in office, the Republicans had this wild idea that they were allowed an equal right ...EVEN THOUGH OBAMA HAD ONLY BEEN PRESIDENT FOR A MONTH. Because people were outraged over their president, they believe they had the same right to be outraged over a guy who wasn't a President long enough to make any kind of executive decision. It was immediately "He is the worst and he is the reason we are all broke" even though, if you had any kind of deductive reasoning, there was no way that was possible. Logic didn't matter to them. Instead, the Democrats (and most of America) ripped their guy, thus it was okay to rip this new guy ...because, in their mind, just saying something meant it was the truth. This is what many on the D.C camp does. They believe that they are entitled to equal representation even though there is no reason to grant them it YET; there has been no good will earned between D.C and the casual audience. Like Republicans, they think stating ANYTHING about Marvel automatically makes it true. Something like Marvel movies are only targeted towards children is used almost as "Obama-Care is going to destroy our capitolist society" was YEARS ago. There was no real evidence to either, other than personal agendas that protected the accusers best interest.

My suggestion: chill the [frick] out. BVS is going to make bank. You are going to enjoy it. It is DEFINITELY going to open the door to the DCEU. It doesn't matter what Marvel does, because you are going to love this movie. Shouldn't that be what matters? Not some plea to explain why the rest of the world who doesn't agree with you is wrong and why you are right?

Ha ha ha. Delusional DCEU Only Fans. You're cinematic universe doesn't exist yet! Pretty easy to throw stones at Marvel movies when you don't even have a house. Yes MoS got low critical scores because of Marvel fans. Such a great smear campaign. Weird how a giant corporation like Time Warner, one of the big six that controls all media, is a underdog in your minds and can't figure out a way to outsmart a couple of über fans online. Or maybe it has character and story problems like the other Snyder which got it grades like the other Snyder movies...