POLL: Does Death In Comic Books Mean ANYTHING At All Any More?

POLL: Does Death In Comic Books Mean ANYTHING At All Any More?

Batman, Captain America, Spider-Man and now the Human Torch. Fantastic Four #600 saw yet another resurrection after a much hyped "death", but has this particular plot device in comic books completely lost all value?

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By JoshWilding - Nov 24, 2011 11:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics

Death in comic books has never been what you might call "permanent". In fact, it's rare these days to see any character actually stay dead. This isn't always a bad thing of course as 2004 saw Captain America writer Ed Brubaker bring back kid sidekick Bucky as the Winter Soldier, a character whose popularity has since soared. While his absence from the Marvel Universe was a lengthy one, there are still a few other long dead character who it's hard to imagine we'll ever see again in the land of the living. Amazing Spider-Man supporting cast members like Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy are perhaps two of the most obvious examples. You see, while companies such as Marvel may have become more and more bold in the killing and resurrection of their superheroes as of late, I'm not sure ever they're ready for the backlash which would result from a decision such as that one. Regardless, as more and more deaths occur in our favourite comic books and the time of their eventual (and now somewhat predictable) returns grow shorter, the question we're left with is a simple one: does death in comic books mean ANYTHING at all any more? Did it ever?!





How do you feel about the seemingly endless cycle of life and death in comic books? Whether it lasts for just a single issue, several months or many years, are you sick of what has now arguably become a pointless plot device? Sound off with your thoughts below.

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PoPcornDude
PoPcornDude - 11/24/2011, 11:41 AM
meh, when I was little I was soooo sad when one of my favorite characters died, but now...

marketing, not plot device.

first ???

LOL
IDKwhatToChoose
IDKwhatToChoose - 11/24/2011, 11:42 AM
Yes it matters. Death should be final, unless your a comic book character or Jesus. Seriously if they have a good story behind it why not let em bring them back. Still hoping Peter Parker comes back...
Shaman
Shaman - 11/24/2011, 11:45 AM
That's the one thing the Ultimate line did right. Pass the TORCH!
imnotahero
imnotahero - 11/24/2011, 11:45 AM
m1312020
m1312020 - 11/24/2011, 11:49 AM
It means something only when its a character you know
won't come back within less then a year.When a A Lister
dies now there really is no impact more a cringe.Then
your stuck with a D Lister are newbie the respected company is trying to sell.
imnotahero
imnotahero - 11/24/2011, 11:50 AM
Death in all sci fi/fantasy properties is always temporary. It's more about WHY the character died and the impact the death has on others thats interesting. But sometimes the "resurrection" of the character isn't handled well and thats where it upsets me the most.
DeadGuyWalking
DeadGuyWalking - 11/24/2011, 11:52 AM
The Ultimate Universe really hasn't had that problem. They have had a ton of high profile characters die with most if not all still dead.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 11/24/2011, 11:54 AM
Sure it does... It pretty much means that the big publishers have lost all respect for their readers.
darkknightlegend
darkknightlegend - 11/24/2011, 11:56 AM
Hey, sometimes good comes from it. If Batman hadnt died, I wouldnt have seen what a great Batman Dick Grayson would make and we wouldnt have had a stellar Batman story from Scott Snyder like we do
MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 11/24/2011, 12:02 PM
The one character they should bring back, Captain Mar-Vell, they dont bring back.
I'm pretty used to it by know. I mean, we just go "Oh, he died." and were not surprised when they come back. Human Torch was killed hundreds of time but never died. they did that story with a good twist but it would have been "great" if we knew what has been happening to him all this time but the Marvel Universe thought he was really dead. his return would have been more dramatic in my opinion.
Jefferys
Jefferys - 11/24/2011, 12:29 PM
We need more rape

~ backup - 11/24/2011, 12:18 PM

Agreed, it seems to be the most underused plot device. I've actually never read a comic book where rap was the main complication. I think it'd be something very different than all of this death stuff they have these days. Remember when comics was about the story and not the sales? Those were soo long ago, maybe too long.
st1s
st1s - 11/24/2011, 12:29 PM
I think the Waynes are truly the "deadest" (i.e. Dead and stayed Dead) characters with Uncle Ben also up there. Sure the Waynes were around in Flashpoint but that was an aternate reality. Besides, where would Batman be w/o the Waynes death, same could be said for Spiderman. Superman even had the Kents around for awhile though that has changed since the DCnU.

I guess even Deadman became UnDeadman for a while in Brightest Day and he was dead for a while!


kylum616
kylum616 - 11/24/2011, 12:43 PM
teabag@ LMFAO
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/24/2011, 12:46 PM
it just a sales gimmick,if you want to shift a few more issues you kill one of the main characters.

saying that though,how many of us would want one of our favorite characters to actually stay dead? just imagine killing off wolverine,the hulk,thor,spider-man,batman,superman,green lantern,the flash & so on.

but they never came back,sales would be even worse than they are now.

no comic company would ever take the risk.
SageMode
SageMode - 11/24/2011, 12:55 PM
@teabag: I guess Spider-Man died via view of Kraven's package. Lol
JustDame
JustDame - 11/24/2011, 1:28 PM
They had a perfect oppurtunity to bring back (sorta) Mar Vell during Secret Invasion with the skrull, can't remember his name. But he was malfunctioning skrull sleeper agent. A skrull who thinks he's kree who is fighting for humans. There's so much they could've done with that, I think. But oh well.
Ceejay
Ceejay - 11/24/2011, 1:35 PM
@ToughGrappler - You nailed it!

Only in Superhero comic books do publishers KNOW vast the majority of their readers are simple enough to swallow yet another main character dying and then coming back to life. Not only do Superhero comic readers buy into that crap EVERY SINGLE TIME, but they buy TWO copies hoping it will be worth something in the future (fools, its mass produced!)

In all other genres of comics without silly spandex, characters die and stay dead. That sort of gimmick you could only get away with in kiddie stories, popcorn movies and really bad superhero comic books. Stuff for the simpletons basically!
Checkmate
Checkmate - 11/24/2011, 2:11 PM
I think it's fine when it's well executed like Superman, Barry Allen, Human Torch, Captain America, Bucky, and Batman.
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 11/24/2011, 2:40 PM
Like what @Dane said, it's just gotta be well executed, and just depends on how the story goes and how they die that makes it interesting.

continuezero
continuezero - 11/24/2011, 2:49 PM
Ahhhhh....I just picked up FF #600....thanks for ruinin it...

I'm all for spoilers and wouldn't come on here if I was really worried about em but if we can possibly leave them out of the titles and blurbs. That way it's not ruined just by coming on.

MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 11/24/2011, 2:51 PM
I agree with the rape comment...can't believe i said that. Dr. Light and The Maxx is the only comics that really didn't dance around the issue. NOW Kick ass 2 went to far, it was vulgar and very offensive the way Millar did that, had nothing to do with sickness or mental illness or crazy, just mean and heartless. Not shocking really, just sick.
headlopper
headlopper - 11/24/2011, 2:54 PM
What I want to know is who is that white silhouette character mentoring Franklin in the ways of his powers at the end of FF# 600.

Does anybody have any ideas?
mithiama
mithiama - 11/24/2011, 3:15 PM
@headlopper thats the future franklin he was in the Three arc and in the arc in which Nathaniel Richards returns

I don't get why people complain about comic book deaths i was on IGN and everyone was pissed at marvel for bringing Johnny Storm back the fact is he did die and thats a major evolution of the character. The fact that he was brought back with the cosmic control rod and after enduring so much is just preparing us for better and bigger stories to come. Bucky never really died and Thor did but he's still in the comic sort of like the current Hellboy. To be honest the only 2 comic book deaths that i think were uncalled for and pointless were Superman and Batman because they're the only 2 characters whose deaths were actually super hyped and they both ended up coming back within a year. Comic book deaths still mean alot when Ultimate Spiderman and Johnny Storm died it was pretty dramatic all it depends on is the way the death is played. The fact that Bruce Wayne and Captain America died and went to the past was pretty annoying but Captain Americas death was alot more dramatic plus he stayed dead alot longer. Also Jean Grey is gone she hasn't been back for a while and Cable was out of the picture for a pretty long time to. Ares, Banshee, Red skull, sabertooth they've all been gone for a while and cable is only being brought back because marvel is getting rid of all the half assed series and bringing back all the really good ones. If u wanna see an insane ammount of death look no further than Ultimate Marvel.
skidz
skidz - 11/24/2011, 6:16 PM
I don't think it's ever going to be shocking to kill off a popular character, on the other hand, killing off the loved ones of a particular character, that's a whole different animal. i.e. A Death in the Family, The Killing Joke, Identity Crisis, Gwen Stacy's death, Guardian Devil (Karen Page's death), just to name a few. Want to create a dynamic story arc? Axe someone they can't bring back. They have to live with that.
Fastestmanalive
Fastestmanalive - 11/24/2011, 6:42 PM
The best death was Barry Allen's cuz it was well done and had a huge impact, but most of all it wasent just some marketing gimmick but was done truly to kill him for real and pass on the torch to a new generation.

He should still be dead, the only reason he's back is cuz Johns loves him, but I think he shouldeve stayed dead.

His death is the only one that I could think of that you could truly say was supposed to be for real and not for a sales gimmick.

But in general I voted no, death in comics is so cheap and such a joke these days, I think it was Lex Luthor who put it best "death is but a temporary setback for Lex Luthor." lol
DR3D
DR3D - 11/24/2011, 6:55 PM
The thing about Uncle Ben, and the Bruce Wayne's parents is they are not super heroes. Even Bucky and Jason Todd came back, death means nothing in comics.
TheSomething
TheSomething - 11/24/2011, 7:41 PM
Let's be honest, there's nothing better like an old school comicbook anyway.
AEStark
AEStark - 11/24/2011, 8:09 PM
I think that deaths shouldn't be hyped at all. At least then you'd have shock value.
Enterlion
Enterlion - 11/24/2011, 8:52 PM
Banshee has been dead for a while now, I dunno if they ever intend to bring him back. When they killed Cap, I was surprised, when they killed Johnny, I was meh, when they rekilled Bucky, I thought it was lame, and when they kill someone else, I probably wont care.
DoodPool
DoodPool - 11/24/2011, 9:04 PM
Killing off characters and bringing them back is old news, it doesn't mean anything it's all theoretical situations, they won't REALLY risk killing off someones favorite character. But thats why i like marvel's ultimate series, characters abide do the rules of death a bit better and i can still see them in the regular continuity.
skidz
skidz - 11/25/2011, 12:08 AM
Characters that kill themselves don't usually come back.
At least, none that I can remember.
skidz
skidz - 11/25/2011, 12:15 AM
Characters have been killed resurrected for decades, it's the double edged sword of the internet that's turned into information overload.
DDD
DDD - 11/25/2011, 12:39 AM
Killing off characters has gotten kind
of old, at least for me.
It's lost it's sting, pretty much!

It use to be eventful like when SUPERMAN
was killed buts it's been done to death
so it really doesn't mean much anymore,
IMHO.

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