What Joe Quesada did right....

so he helped civil war and house of M...he is hated for being part of great stories. thats [frick]ing stupid someone explain the hate please

Civil War is on his plus side for me, that story was amazing.

yeah, not every story can be a winner.

it can be fixed, I mean already it's not so bad. Sure the new characters aren't that great...but it's hardly ruined. Good stories continue to be told, even after a bad one.

I think he's a great E-I-C! Sure, One More Day may not have been the best choice but look how brilliant Spider-Man's stories have been since! Civil War was excellent IMO and at least the guy has had the balls to make some major shake-up's in the MU over the past few years rather than just keeping things comfortably the same!

Too many H8RS about!! : D

The guys cool in my book!

I have heard people dumping on Quesada, but I never understood what all the fuss was about. I do hate OMD, though. It happened right when I quit buying new comics.

When we're looking at someone's career, why do people focus one everything they did wrong? EVERY Spiderman J.M. Strazyski (including his work on Thor. A character I don't usually read.) story up to One More Day was some of the best material anyone's ever written for the character. The Book of Ezekial, The Life and Death of Spiders, etc. (OMD's inspired some good material since,too). Heck, Quesada sponsored the decision to move Parker from the KID working for a newspaper to an ADULT working for the beaten down school he used to go to. Civil War was too long, but it was a great idea. He sponsored the creation of the 'Ultimate' line. Avengers Disassembled (BM Bendis is brilliant) which led up to House of M, wasn't bad, either. The material before and after Wolverine got his memories back is fantastic. Origin, Enemy of the State, X-Force: Angels and Demons (Which he's the leader of), Evolution, to name a few. Kevin Smith released Spiderman: The Evil that Men Do, under his watch. HOW HIGH ARE YOUR STANDARDS?!

People hate him? I loved Civil War & House of M.....One More Day wasn't too bad either........Oh well, I guess I'm not the typical Marvel fan? :)

That's some weird(and funny) shit shaman. Where did you find that stuff?

You are an idiot, OP.

All three events you just used as examples for why we would hate Joe were all amazing and compelling stories.

Joe is the best thing that has happened to Marvel since Stan Lee.

GTFO

thwhtGuardian- LOL It's this funny site that's ciculating here at work. You can upload a pic of your friends and get them kinda killed , so yeah... it's funny ;P

All five are up now. It's sad that there aren't more :(

I could give a shit one way or another about Joe Q.

However, I am EXTATIC about the rights for MiracleMan finally being settled. Lets get those puppies reprinted PRONTO.

I doubt they could get Alan Moore to do any more stories, but you never know, that guys a wierdo in the grandest way. And, I don't know who else could do the character justice....

Yes I wasnt' awr of the hate either, I am confused with all of the Mavel Man people.

Maybe you feel the sales have dropped because you don't care for the stories, but if you look it up Marvel is the largest publisher in the North American direct market by a comfortable margin beating DC by 40% to 38% in unit share...and it has for a while. It consistently out does DC, the only time a DC issue out sells Marvel is if it's a special event like Final Crisis.

I still think it's laughable that one of Joe Q's first edicts as EiC was "Dead stays dead" and that characters who were dead had to stay that way, after the ill-received Norman Osborn resurrection that came under Bob Harras' time as EiC in the Clone Sage.

Since then Joe's overseen the resurrection of the two characters that were declared from the start to be untouchable after their deaths, Bucky, who died in WWII, and Mar-Vell, who died from Cancer in Marvel's first-ever Graphic Novel. Now I'll give them a pass on resurrecting Mar-Vell since they eventually made that one a Skrull, but the Bucky thing is a huge no-no in my book and not an idea that should have gotten past the pitch stage.

As I've said before, leaving Bucky dead was a big deal and in a way representative of all the other men who gave their lives in WWII and didn't get to come back. He was an ordinary kid with no powers who fought purely on bravery and skills against the atrocities of Nazi Germany. He was an important example of purely human heroism in a world of superheroes, and he served to keep Cap grounded.

One of the best stories that made use of the character's death was a short feature from Marvel's '91 Holiday Special. Steve Rogers meets Rebecca Proctor while helping serve meals to veterans at a VFW post on Christmas Eve, In small talk mentions her maiden name of Barnes, and she speaks of doing this as her way of honoring her brother James, who she only knows died in some sort of classified mission in WWII. That night he checks the records on Bucky's father in a government database, he finds out that she is indeed Bucky's sister. The next day he shows up at her home, as Cap, and apologizes for interrupting her family gathering. He asks to speak to her in private and tells her the truth about how her brother was Bucky, how he was a hero. He gives her an American flag from one of Bucky's uniforms, one of the few mementos he has from WWII. Her eyes well up with tears and she thanks him, while Cap's still apologizing for not knowing before. She invites him to stay for Christmas dinner, saying that he shouldn't be alone with just memories of WWII. There's not one punch thrown in the seven page short story.

With Bucky alive, that story never happens. It's a short, simple, human story, and it has more meaning and emotional impact to it than most of the mega-crossover events that come in the years since. It's not about some world-altering menace. It's about how important family is and how important it is to honor and remember the sacrifices of those who gave their lives to protect us all.

In that other thread, I was asked what it takes to impress me if I find so many of today's writers to be hacks who use shock value to rehash old plots and change characters from what their origins were. This is an example of what comics can and should be. Take what exists already, figure out what you can add to the tapestry that's been woven by those before you, and write something meaningful that doesn't contradict established continuity or rewrite someone's backstory.

It's the kind of story I think we're unlikely to find in Joe Q's Marvel.

I could understand that sentiment if his death was meant to reflect that sentiment. The thing is he wasn't killed to represent the deaths of those who fell in WWII, he was killed off because Stan hated teen side kicks. Now if his death had a greater significance to you that's great, we all have special attachments to different heroes. But that was never the intention of his death, and John Quesada wasn't the only one who thought there was a good story in bringing him back,his creator, Jack Kirby, always stated that killing Bucky was wrong and purely the whim of Stan. Kirby thought that Bucky represented teenagers, and as such he should have remained a universal character much like Captain America.

Kirby thought that if there were good stories left to be told a character should come back. And who am I to argue with Jack Kirby? If he thought his own character shouldn't stay dead who am I to tell him he's wrong? Of course I can't tell him because he's gone, but still who am I to contradict his memory?

Whether his death was meant to reflect that sentiment originally or not, the fact that so many people have latched on to that makes it just as valid as Stan's reasoning. Perhaps Kirby was right about Bucky representing teens, but keep in mind that we're talking about a character that was kept dead for over 40 years and whose death was established as a big deal for Cap to deal with.

In the meantime, there have been other Bucky characters, notably Rick Jones' brief time as the character, as well as the revelation of Jack Monroe as the Bucky of the 50s and the addition of John Walker's Bucky (later renamed Battlestar for apparent racism concerns). Another Bucky could have been used or introduced at some point without bringing back the one that Cap grieved and mourned all these years.

It still doesn't change the fact that Bucky was dead and then Joe Q went against his own editorial edict and allowed him brought back. No matter how you look at it, it went down on Joe Q's watch, and it's not universally popular. As far as I'm concerned, anytime they want to do something that contradicts the history of their characters to that degree, that's why the Ultimates universe exists. They don't need to play that game with the mainstream MU as well.