EDITORIAL: Watered Down Villains in CBMs?

EDITORIAL: Watered Down Villains in CBMs?

In this editorial, I examine what not only Fox and Sony get wrong, but Marvel Studios too.

Editorial Opinion
By Destroyer14 - Jul 08, 2011 10:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

Before you read this, know that I'm not here to bash the movies, for I've enjoyed most of the ones I've seen. (Yes, even X3 and Ghost Rider.) I'm here to examine the one thing that always gets on my nerves with these films: Watered down villains.

When the studios take a villain, say Kingpin for example, he pretty much stays the same power-wise. However, when they take a very powerful one, say the Destroyer, they underpower it significantly. In the comics, the Destroyer EXCEEDS Thor's strength. When they adapt it for film, Thor beats it in less than five minutes. He has never been able to beat it so easily in the comics. The film was great, but I fail to understand the reasoning for underpowering; so the general audience will consider it more "realistic?" First of all, it's a movie, second of all, it's a COMIC BOOK movie. These type of films should be the ones where we get to see world-destroyers, all-powerful entities.




Speaking of world-destroyers, let's look at something that was really messed up.....Galactus.


When we heard about Galactus being in a film, it was a dream come true.....before we found out what they did to him.



However, based on the picture, some people say the "cloud" was his ship, and he was just inside. That's not what got me mad though, (I was a little annoyed at that however) what got me mad was that he seemed to able to "absorb" worlds, but when the Surfer decided to rebel, he flew right into the cloud and boom, Galactus is defeated. What? In the comics, teaming up with the Fantastic Four, the Surfer couldn't stop him, the only weapon able to do that is the Ultimate Nullifier.

I'm going to bring up the demon Blackheart now.


Demonic, eh? A very powerful entity. For a film like Ghost Rider, you expect they'd keep in certain things.


Haha, no that picture is not from Twilight, but I'm not here to bash on the look. According to the Wiki: "He can heal himself at the sub-molecular level, and has the ability to generate various forms of energies for destructive purposes such as powerful concussive blasts of black energy." Did we see any of that in the film? I don't believe so.

One last example, the Phoenix.


Do you know what the Phoenix is? "It is an immortal and mutable manifestation of the prime universal force of life and passion." How about the film?



Hoho, where do we begin with this? This Phoenix is not cosmic, and no where near as powerful in the comics. Wolverine kept walking through her force, and eventually came close enough for the stab. Unreal, in the comics, the Phoenix has the power to wipe the floor with the X-men.


I could bring up more examples; Doctor Doom for one, but you get the point. When we have our world-destroyers on the big screen, we want to see their full power unleashed. Comic books have all that goodness with cosmic level threats, cities toppling with one blast, there's no reason why we can't see all of that in COMIC BOOK movies.

Thanks for reading.

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CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/8/2011, 11:09 AM
I would've liked to see you go into more villains in greater detail.

this could be a really great article.

i agree though, Dr. Doom is another that always bothered me.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 7/8/2011, 11:20 AM
@CDB Well, I covered what I thought to be the two major ones. I should probably add some more details. Are there any major villains I missed? I know there's one in First Class, but I've yet to see it.

But thanks for reading.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/8/2011, 11:26 AM
sure thing man.

Blackheart and Phoenix, you mentioned, but it would have been good to have you go into more detail.

again, Dr. Doom was done a huge diservice.

Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 7/8/2011, 11:30 AM
@CDB Alright, I'll add in some details for those. Back to editing! Yeah, Doom was definitely downplayed, then again, the FF movies were all downplayed. (Laughs out loud.)
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 7/8/2011, 11:33 AM
I think the Destroyer was weakened for the Thor movie because they wanted his struggle to be more internal. They were pretty much saying that he had the power to do whtever he needed to and just needed to become worthy of it. If the Destroyer was a major struggle for Thor, it would have made his regaining power scene less effective in a way for what they were trying to do.

Not saying that was necessarilly the right or only way. Just trying to make sense of it.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 7/8/2011, 12:06 PM
@CDB Now it's a real editorial.

@BIGMH I guess, but I still don't like it.
superotherside
superotherside - 7/8/2011, 12:31 PM
I agree... I kinda hate that too...

on Thor I hated that too because I was looking for a huge epic fight before we know anything about it then when we started hearing more stuff I figured that's what they'd do... so I wasn't too surprised... just a bit disappointed... I would have liked it better if they just bashed each other for a few min then had him make the tornado and kill him... but oh well... still the frost giant and loki fight was awesome... ;)
ComicsCommando
ComicsCommando - 7/8/2011, 12:53 PM
There are really no excuses for the Destroyer fight. It was disappointing, no way to get around that. I would understand if another studio like Sony or Fox created this movie, but they didn't. If anyone should have gotten the Destroyer right, it's Marvel Studios.
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 7/8/2011, 1:11 PM
I agree 100% with all of these choices. The Destroyer was really dissapointing and don't get me started with Galactus. If they did Galactus the normal way that movie would have actually been really good but they failed us. Phoenix was alright especially at the end when she was destroying all kinds of crap. Blackheart I thought was cool at first but then by the middle of the film he was just kind of dumb. He was an emo guy with demon powers and now that I think about ti everything in that movie was dumbed down.
SKOne
SKOne - 7/8/2011, 1:41 PM
Great choices, a good read!

I didn't really care that much about what they did with Galactus, I knew that if the movie did really well a Silver Surfer movie with the "real" Galactus would be greenlit. I was mostly disappointed at the second Fantastic Four movie because they made Dr. Doom the villain again, he should have been left out.

The Phoenix was as good as Fox was going to get with the direction they took the Jean Grey character in the first two movies, I only really cared that they killed Professor X and Cyclops.

As for Blackheart, Ghost Rider was pretty terrible and miscast, but his dialogue at the end really ruined the movie for me. They could have shown him in his full demonic appearance without expensive CGI for fairly cheap if they wanted to, I mean look at what Angel did with the budget they had.

Lastly, The Destroyer was as good as Marvel could have made him without making the movie significantly longer or pushing it into the sequel.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 7/8/2011, 2:53 PM
Thanks guys. Personally, I liked Blackheart in Ghost Rider, just missed his demonic look.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 7/8/2011, 7:22 PM
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Jefferys
Jefferys - 7/9/2011, 2:17 AM
Every film that missed a possible epic fight scene. To many to say but I'm sure people after me will point them out; Probably; Hopefully; You know what, probably not.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 7/9/2011, 9:24 AM
@Destroyer - Great editorial!

I think the real problem is that some CBMs aren't given to action oriented directors. So, not just the villains, but the action in general is weak. The only one that you mentioned that i kinda understand it the Phoenix. Fox wanted to keep the cast all-mutant, so that meant no magic and no cosmic entities. Juggernaut was also made a mutant. Thought i totally and whole-heartedly agree that Wolvie walking up to the Phoenix and killing her was dumb, her powers were show to be a huge threat.
Minato
Minato - 7/9/2011, 12:41 PM
If we add a good 20 min of fighting to thor the Destroyer fight could have been epic. I think if Thor didnt have the chainmail arms/suit in the beginning and got it during his resurection it could make his power amplification more visual than beating destroyer with 1 small storm.
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 7/12/2011, 6:43 AM
AMEN! This has been my argument from the beginning! TDK was good ONLY because of The Joker. Bale's Batman is pretty lame, actually. Most agree on the gruff voice, but I think the look isn't that cool, either. His helmet is just too [frick]ing huge! Ledger's Joker was pretty [frick]ing epic and made that movie (period).

Heros are pretty straight forward and predictable, which translates into boring. Without an exceptional villain, the hero has nothing to loose and translates into no tension or real threat of loss (ie. Thor vs Destroyer). Villains are just more interesting (when done correctly).
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