JUSTICE LEAGUE: Warner Bros. Didn't Understand The Flash's Time-Travel Scene After It Was Shot In 2016

JUSTICE LEAGUE: Warner Bros. Didn't Understand The Flash's Time-Travel Scene After It Was Shot In 2016

One of the VFX supervisors who worked on both cuts of Justice League has revealed that Warner Bros.' lack of understanding of the Speed Force led to The Flash's time-travel scene being cut by studio execs.

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By JoshWilding - May 29, 2021 06:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Justice League
Source: Beyond The Trailer

Love or hate Zack Snyder's Justice League, it's hard to deny that The Flash's trip back in time was pretty damn cool. The visually stunning sequence featured Barry Allen racing back to undo Steppenwolf's victory, giving us a glimpse into original plans for the Scarlet Speedster that would have seen him time-travel in both Snyder's Justice League sequels and his own solo outing. 

Now, "Snyder Cut" VFX Supervisor John DJ Des Jardin has revealed that Warner Bros. executives were unable to wrap their heads around The Flash's trip through the Speed Force.

"It’s funny, because that was always in the story. We shot that way back in 2016. It was something that, I don’t know what it was, the mood of the studio at the time, they just didn’t get it, to be honest," he explained. "They were just like ‘I don’t understand this,’ and maybe it was the previous nature of it or the post-vis nature or whatever, but it was one of the first things they threw out after they pulled Zack off the movie, sadly."

"I really loved the breath and depth and scope that he gave those big ideas that are in that imagery."

It's crazy to think that the theatrical cut of Justice League wasted so much time following Barry Allen rescuing a random family when the entire final act could have been so much cooler. 

Whether Warner Bros. has now managed to figure out the Speed Force and time-travel remains to be seen, but it appears the upcoming The Flash movie will follow Barry as he travels through the DC Multiverse. That should be a blast, though we hope the Speed Force isn't glossed over there! 

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IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 5/29/2021, 6:20 AM
Really surprised how much Barry’s wincing effected me after he got blasted. Really don’t hear many heroes audibly express pain.
Reminded me of Tobey Mcguires Spidey feeling the pain.
Very effective.
SnideCut
SnideCut - 5/29/2021, 7:40 AM
@IronGenesis - Seriously? Almost every superhero movie out there has the hero wincing in pain. Captain America, Batman, Iron Man, Superman. Hell, even shitty superhero movies like Fantastic Four.
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 5/29/2021, 7:45 AM
@SnideCut - But this was in a very unmanly way.

Felt realer
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 5/29/2021, 7:47 AM
@feedonatreefrog - it was gay
IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 5/29/2021, 8:23 AM
@SnideCut - when Rodgers took the laser fire to the gut in the battle of NYC. That was very effective too.

Most of Charlie Cox taking the beating in season 1 of Daredevil.

There is wincing and then there is wincing. Really selling the vulnerability, fear, danger, pain of taking a beating and life in jeopardy.

Miller and Snyder used that another time...after Clark and knocked Barry down and was about to heat vision him. Barry put up his hand, very meager, almost begging/pleading “don’t kill me”.

Also very effective.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 5/29/2021, 8:59 AM
@IronGenesis - In a few YouTube reactions, I saw people laugh at that moment thinking Barry was meant to be being kind of funny. Really irritated me.
aresww3
aresww3 - 5/29/2021, 12:43 PM
@Marveladdict - really dude? the scene was awesome.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 5/29/2021, 12:51 PM
@IronGenesis - It definitely felt raw in that it was a wimpy reaction to what looked like a minor injury. And sure, that can be striking and affecting. The machismo of the entire genre bled away to reveal something that felt like real vulnerability.

But, because it did look like a minor injury and he immediately just starts running again, it makes him seem like that moment was just him freaking out. Like he'd suddenly been transformed into David Rose from Schitt's Creek for a minute.

That same kind of moment helps make this scene from Homecoming for me.



When Peter calls for help, that terror feels raw. It is vulnerable, too. But I think I like a scene like Homecoming more than Justice League because Peter's vulnerability comes from fear, while Barry's comes from momentary pain. It didn't feel like Barry is overcoming great pain when he ran (to me) the way that Peter was overcoming his fear. It just felt like Barry scraped his knee had a little cry about it and then got back up when he realized he wasn't that hurt. That kind of immaturity was their angle on Barry and (while the performance and vocal affect of Miller after he was shot was truly effective) that's not an angle I find super compelling.
Starlord7597
Starlord7597 - 5/29/2021, 6:29 AM
It was visually amazing, the music was great but it made zero sense and came out of nowhere; so like most Snyder scenes.
Odin
Odin - 5/29/2021, 7:17 AM
@Starlord7597 - Came out of nowhere? Flash having time travel related powers was teased when the character was first introduced in this world in Dawn of Justice. How it works in practice was setup and even given a little example in Superman resurrection scene earlier in the film. It was a classic chekhov's gun in the film.
As far as how much sense it makes, well you can ask if there is time travel representation in pop-culture, where the logic would hold up all the way, but this version was in my opinion much better than CW's Flash, for example. The method seemed to make sense. When Flash moves in super speed, world around him seems to slow down, so logically if he moves fast enough, the motion around stops completely. That's when he reaches the speed of light. And if he manages to move even faster than that (like he literally says in the film) the time would logically start to move backwards. In comics, that's called breaking the time barrier. Compared to CW's Flash, where the same time travel power seems to constantly trip over itself and the pseudo-scientific logic behind it has become ambiguous at best.
Funny enough, moving in the speed of light is, according to late Stephen Hawking, the only theoretical way to move backwards in time, due to the physics of relativity.
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