Marvel Studios Reportedly Making Major Changes To Phases 5 And 6 As They Return To Quality Over Quantity

Marvel Studios Reportedly Making Major Changes To Phases 5 And 6 As They Return To Quality Over Quantity

Phase 4 hasn't quite managed to live up to expectations in the wake of The Infinity Saga and Avengers: Endgame, and it sounds like Marvel Studios may be considering drastic measures to course correct...

By JoshWilding - Dec 03, 2022 09:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios
Source: The Cosmic Circus

The return of Bob Iger as The Walt Disney Company CEO is leading to some major changes at the company, many of which were recently detailed in a report from Deadline

There's been a lot of speculation about what this might mean for Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm, especially as the output from both studios was arguably better under Iger's watch than it has been with the ousted, profits-driven Bob Chapek. Many have blamed him for Marvel Studios' apparent shift from quality to quantity in Phase 4, so could changes now be on the horizon? 

According to The Cosmic Circus, yes. 

Over the course of The Infinity Saga, Marvel Studios released twenty-three movies, all of which were positively received and hits at the box office. Phase 4, meanwhile, has seen us get a total of nineteen movies, TV shows, and Special Presentations, with many of those hit-and-miss titles disappointing fans (Thor: Love and Thunder) and underwhelming critics (Eternals). 

Now and then, you really can have too much of a good thing, and this oversaturation has lessened interest in The Multiverse Saga due to it becoming a huge commitment to keep up to speed with everything happening. Kevin Feige, and the studio as a whole, being stretched thin has also led to issues with everything from a lack of connectivity to poor visual effects, 

So, it's not surprising that the site says Marvel Studios is now "re-evaluating its release lineup for Phases 5 & 6," and are aware Phase 4 took a dip in quality. With concerns those next two Phases could be just as messy, Disney is looking at future releases, with a renewed interest in ensuring they get back to a quality-over-quantity approach to storytelling. 

Some sort of creative oversight over future MCU releases has been considered, and it sounds like we could see a shift to more Special Presentations instead of TV shows. That would be a cheaper, quicker, and far less demanding way to introduce new heroes and set the stage for bigger stories, avoiding the need to stretch those stories out across six hours. 

Projects currently in pre-production may now be at risk, with sources adding that we should "expect shifts in release schedules for some projects, changes in media formats for others, and in the most extreme (and unlikely) of cases, a postponement or outright cancellation of a project that would not be suited towards the overall story of the Multiverse Saga."

In other words, that massive slate of movies and TV shows announced by Kevin Feige at Comic-Con and D23 may be in flux and not worth getting too excited about for the time being. 

We'll keep you updated on this one as it develops. 

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CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 12/3/2022, 9:06 AM
So that's their way of telling us "Phase 4 was bad"
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 12/3/2022, 9:10 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - I liked some of Phase 4. It’s just it was such a glut so quickly that some of it was bound to be bad. With so little time to write the scripts it felt like they were using first drafts for some of the movies and shows.
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 12/3/2022, 9:14 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - I would say: Wandavision, Loki, Ms. Marvel, Spiderman No Way Home, Wakanda Forever, Doctor Strange, and Falcon and The Winter Soldier turned out… good enough, despite the obvious behind the scenes issues. I don’t know why they would rush so much stuff especially during a pandemic that on its own made it more difficult to film. No Way Home and Wakanda Forever were the only ones that I felt like got enough pre production time out of all of them
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 12/3/2022, 9:15 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - and the special presentations worked out well enough because those felt more like short passion projects than mandates
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 12/3/2022, 9:17 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - and it was so long ago I forgot about it but I stand by Shang Chi being a fun action movie. Wenwu was great casting. I’ve seen far better martial arts movies but if it was on tv I would watch it
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 12/3/2022, 10:08 AM
@noahthegrand - Shang Chi was one of the good projects to me. I enjoyed it. But I really didn't like what they did with Mandarin and the Rings. But I know it was always going to be a tricky thing also. I understand Mandarin being offensive in his classic form so it needed to he changed. But there was no reason they couldn't have kept the Rings closer to comics. They didn't even need to he alien technology. They could have just been some rings found in a cave and made them like they are in the comics. But they felt dumbed down in the movie.

Either way, it was still enjoyable. Originally I was really hoping for a more classic Kung Fu movie type feel. Something like Enter the Dragon. Production wise and everything.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/3/2022, 10:34 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - to be fair, Marvel did attempt some pretty revolutionary things with the MCU in phase 4, many ideas being very experimental. Making average people understand what a multiverse is, having 3 generations of the same character in a movie together, tv shows that are more on par with film quality than before and actually play a role in the movies, in universe special presentations, animated shows within the MCU Multiverse, all the while experimenting with branching points of focus like never before where before we only had Thanos.

Did they hit a home run every at bat? Not even close. They even straight up lost several games several embarrassing ways this season, but the things they tried will make the for a stronger MCU down the road.

SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 12/3/2022, 11:07 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - I don't think Phase 4 was bad. We had some great movies like Spider-Man No Way Home, Wakanda Forever, Shang Chi, and Werewolf by Night. But I think the overall narrative for the "Multiverse saga" has been all over the place. Thus far Loki was the only Phase 4 property to dive into the storyline in depth. Multiverse of Madness should have been that bridge to connect the concept further but it seems like that will be saved for Ant-Man Quantumania instead.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/3/2022, 12:05 PM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - Not at all. Phase 4 reviewed well as a whole. But that's not to say there can't be improvement. There can. And I mostly agree with the common complaints. I'm just not a dramatic lil bitch about it like some people here. (This is not directed at you.)
tylerzero
tylerzero - 12/3/2022, 9:06 AM
Nineteen? Nineteen.

ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/3/2022, 9:19 AM
@tylerzero - 7 movies + 8 TV shows + 2 specials = 17.

Are we counting Morbius and Venom 2, but not counting I Am Groot? I don't get Josh's math here.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/3/2022, 9:07 AM
Change number 1 should be get rid of the excessive JOKES!
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 12/3/2022, 10:11 AM
@Forthas - Change #1 should be getting rid of culture war topics in the forefront of their decisions.

Then slow down on the jokes.
Fogs
Fogs - 12/3/2022, 10:34 AM
@CorndogBurglar - word
Spike101
Spike101 - 12/3/2022, 11:05 AM
@Forthas - I couldn’t agree more. That and do less shows but to a higher standard. For example actually have Moon Knight appear for more than 30 seconds in a show that’s called Moon Knight. And dump this desperate attempt to be seen on point with the PC squad all the time.
Ironnick
Ironnick - 12/3/2022, 11:12 AM
@Spike101 - Really not sure what you guys mean by PC squad and culture war stuff.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 12/3/2022, 11:19 AM
@Ironnick - Then maybe you haven't watched a Marvel movie in the past few years. Or a Disney show. Or basically any show or movie created in the past few years. Or maybe you haven't paid attention to the media period in that time. Maybe you haven't been on this site. Or damn near any other site. Because this culture war nonsense has been dominating for nearly a decade now. It's only now these companies are starting to admit they maybe "flicked too hard"
newhire13
newhire13 - 12/3/2022, 11:25 AM
@Ironnick - They mean anything that’s not white, male or straight.
PeterDarker121
PeterDarker121 - 12/3/2022, 12:18 PM
@DarthOmega - Then maybe you haven't watched a Marvel movie in the past few years. Or a Disney show....It's only now these companies are starting to admit they maybe "flicked too hard"

"Desperate to be seen on point with the PC squad all the time" made Thor: Love and Thunder a meh-azz film?
LukeCage2155
LukeCage2155 - 12/3/2022, 12:59 PM
@Forthas -
Spike101
Spike101 - 12/4/2022, 4:47 PM
@newhire13 - absolutely not, personally I’m all for inclusion and representation providing it’s done in a sensible manner and not at the expense of all else.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 12/3/2022, 9:08 AM
I do gotta ask, does Chapek have any fault of the Marvel content, or content in general??

Like, Iger was in charge when it was all greenlit, and for a lot when it was being filmed. Budgeting, etc. And the editing trouble didn't start with WandaVision, its been an ongoing issue.

So, is this a "Lets course correct because its not working" or "ding dong big evil Chapek is out" type of change
Origame
Origame - 12/3/2022, 9:10 AM
@DannRamm113 - I think it's a course correction for quality.
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