Thomas Jane Reflects On The Positives & Negatives Of THE PUNISHER (2004)

Thomas Jane Reflects On The Positives & Negatives Of THE PUNISHER (2004)

In two weeks, the Gasparilla Film Festival will be bestowing Thomas Jane with their International Career Achievement Award. To showcase Jane's talent, the festival will screen The Punisher. Jane recently spoke with ET about the film. Check it out.

By nailbiter111 - Mar 12, 2013 06:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Punisher
Source: etonline



Entertainment Tonight recently caught up with actor, Thomas Jane to discuss some of the more memorable films that he has made. To kick things of the reporter, Jarrett Wieselman, suggests that The Punisher, which debuted almost ten years ago, has a cult following. "Yes, I've heard that from a lot of people," Thomas Jane chimes in. "I'm happy the movie has real fans out there."

The film only pulled in $55 million worldwide at the box office, however, DVD sales were quite strong, adding an additional $60 million, bumping up the overall take to $115 million.



ETonline: When was the last time you watched it?

Jane: I've never really seen the whole thing. I usually sneak out of my premieres; go in the front door and right out the back [laughs]. I'm not a fan of watching my work. When I was a young actor, I watched myself so I could figure out what kind of animal I was. Billy Bob Thornton told me every actor needs to figure out what kind of animal they are so they can be that animal, but I don't think I've figured that out yet. I guess I want to be all the animals.


ETonline: What do you recall from making The Punisher?

Jane: It was hard, but rewarding. We didn't have any problems making the movie, although we tried to make Tampa look as menacing as it could ... which was troubling at times. Don't get me wrong, I had a great time in Florida, but creatively I wasn't a fan of making The Punisher in Florida. I never thought that went together very well. I thought there were better places for us to shoot the thing, but once I was down there, everyone was so great.


ETonline: In retrospect, the movie seems to have embraced a superhero aesthetic that didn't really become popular until Christopher Nolan rebooted Batman. Do you think it would be more successful if released today?

Jane: I think we were the victim of Marvel's success with more cartoon-y superhero movies. There was a strong desire to keep some of that cartoon element in our movie, but I really wanted it to be dark and I think most Punisher fans did too. But people hadn't really cracked the idea that a comic book movie didn't have to look like a comic book yet. Without trying to toot my own horn, I feel like I was very instrumental in fighting for more realistic version of The Punisher. I remember bringing in Tim Bradstreet's very dark comic book covers to production meetings and saying this is what we have to make the movie look like. I won some of those battles and I lost others because there really was no precedent. It was a product of its time. There was no Dark Knight for these guys to lean on, so I'm happy that I got as much dark realism into the movie. All that said, I still think the fight that Kevin Nash and I put together set to opera music is a really entertaining piece of work.


ETonline: Last year you reprised the role in a super dark online short, Dirty Laundry (watch below). What fueled that?

Jane: I'd been talking about my vision of The Punisher for years, and I finally hit on the idea of a short film that could show people my ideas. Then it became about finding the perfect guys to bring that vision to life, for me, the ideal guy was Phil Joanou. I happened to have met him a few months prior to landing on this idea, so he was the first guy I called. He really got on board. Chad St. John wrote my favorite script I've ever read called Motor City, which was basically a 100 page action film with no dialogue. It was a piece of brilliance, so we hatched what became Dirty Laundry, which was very satisfying because I didn't have to explain very much what I was talking about. We all liked the same stuff, had the same reference points and it was a great lesson for me. The success of it was vindicating. It felt good that my version of the character resonated with people.


ETonline: Can you envision playing Frank Castle ever again?

Jane: It was sort of my farewell to the character. I just wanted to get that out.



THE PUNISHER (2004) was directed by Jonathan Hensleigh ("Kill the Irishman"), from a screenplay written by Hensleigh and Michael France. The cast included: Thomas Jane as Frank Castle / The Punisher, John Travolta as Howard Saint, Roy Scheider as Frank Castle, Sr., Will Patton as Quentin Glass, Rebecca Romijn as Joan, Laura Harring as Livia Saint and Ben Foster as Spacker Dave. The film earned $54 million at the worldwide box office, against a budget of $33 million.

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jessepostal
jessepostal - 3/12/2013, 6:51 PM
Im extremely happy he's saying goodbye to the character!!!!
DeadManDann
DeadManDann - 3/12/2013, 6:58 PM
I enjoyed his take on the character. Shame he never got to make the film he wanted to-- a full-length one, anyhow.
sameoldthing
sameoldthing - 3/12/2013, 7:16 PM
Janes Punisher was good,the movie was just decent overall.
It had some great moments like the fight with Russian & his attack on the mobsters at end.
Parts like him being undercover FBI & being in Tampa was weak.

Ray Stevenson was a great Punisher in another film that had cool moments in a sub-par movie.
We need a "perfect" Punisher film someday.
mattattack
mattattack - 3/12/2013, 7:36 PM
I loved his Punisher. War Zone is and always will be [frick] I N G S H I T
crazyish
crazyish - 3/12/2013, 7:38 PM
I loved the short. I took it as an older Frank who didn't want to get involved until he realized that he couldn't just sit by and let it happen. I thought he was great in the 2004 movie...it's just unfortunate that we had to watch the Punisher chase Travolta around Florida....
FrostyVoice
FrostyVoice - 3/12/2013, 7:44 PM
It's a shame. I actually really enjoyed both of his incarnates of the character. I know folks have their own issues with the film but many of those folks liked GL, which I didn't. Different tastes. His representation was solid. I agree that Tampa was not the right setting but the plot worked there.
deanwilkins
deanwilkins - 3/12/2013, 7:48 PM
I want him back. I enjoyed his Punisher film, though I wanted much more from it. I loved his short film. This guy is the only guy I trust to get Punisher right in the way I want to see him.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 3/12/2013, 7:50 PM
Just watch Death Wish #1 and especially #2 if you want to see a good vigilante film.
But do not watch Death Wish 3, 4 or 5.
TheStranger
TheStranger - 3/12/2013, 7:54 PM
I wish he wasn't saying goodbye, he could give us a real good trilogy if Marvel would wise up and let him.
captainrogers
captainrogers - 3/12/2013, 7:56 PM
I liked the short.
I took the part of him being "six months sober" applied to him trying to stop being the Punisher.
Then he buys the bottle of Jack.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/12/2013, 7:57 PM
Gasparilla was in February..... weird.

As someone who's lived in Tampa for 24 of my 25 years, I can safely say they went in BLIND to my hometown. There is a very gritty, nasty part of town that hasn't changed since my family moved here - but it isn't framed by highrises.

It is kind of amusing, the locations they picked. Blake High School is right next to the Projects, just down the street from where Frank's tenement building USED to be (they demolished it a few years ago). Pretty seedy part of town. It kind of sat in between that high school and one very hellish middle school where I spent 6th and 7th only a block away.

But just across the street from the "Saints and Sinners Club" is the University of Tampa, which can be seen on the river in the background where people are rowing (the ONLY people allowed to use that part of the river are college students). I had a relief sculpture from high school featured in an art gallery at said University the very year the Punisher was filmed.

You can imagine, all of Tampa was in all seriousness THRILLED to host the Punisher, regardless of how the movie turned out.
Jaspion
Jaspion - 3/12/2013, 8:01 PM
I loved his Punisher actually. Very fun movie.

Still wondering if he'd be a good Batman.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/12/2013, 8:03 PM
@SotoJuiceMan
Yep, grew up [t]here :)
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/12/2013, 8:03 PM
punisher war zone is the most comic accurate punisher from origin to violence,a guilty pleasure of mine.
LFANCH
LFANCH - 3/12/2013, 8:11 PM
The Joker theme in that short is really bothering me.
ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 3/12/2013, 8:13 PM
there were several reason why they filmed it in Tampa.One of the reason was because it was cheap. What killed that movie was the constant budget cuts and being released the same day as Kill Bill Vol. 2(what idiots thought that was a good idea?)

Still, I prefer this version of that sorry Punisher: War Zone.
ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 3/12/2013, 8:25 PM
@SotoJuiceMan Yea, I would've preferred NYC.

Originally, it was going to take place in Miami, FL(when Michael France first wrote his screenplay) then when Jonathan Hensleigh come on, they moved it to Tampa.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/12/2013, 8:35 PM
@Soto
Everyone says it's one boring-ass place with nothing but clubs in Ybor and Busch Gardens. People usually move down here because it offers cheap living. Nothing wrong with that (it's why my family moved here), but the turnover rate is pretty high. Not many over the age of 50 can say they were born and raised in Tampa.

Anyway, I live near Lutz.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/12/2013, 8:46 PM
@Marvel87
All things considered though, Hensleigh didn't have a lot to work with. Miami would have been too expensive - he was just looking after the budget. They made Palm Harbor double as Puerto Rico (hahahaha....) and had an extremely tight schedule to work with. Filming was over in a matter of weeks.
ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 3/12/2013, 8:51 PM
@Tainted87 lol! Hell yea. I remember I was following production of this movie real close on SuperHeroHype(aww, SHH). They sure did have a tight schedule.

I tell you one thing, after that movie came out, I wanted to move to Tampa. I hope to move there around this time next year.
TheSuperguy
TheSuperguy - 3/12/2013, 9:03 PM
He was my favorite PUNISHER. Would be great if they turned DIRTY LAUNDRY into the 1st episode if a web-series, with each episode a self-contained story of the Punisher taking on street gangs or drug dealers. That would be awesome!
Woodkid
Woodkid - 3/12/2013, 9:08 PM
The Dark Knight score in the short is so distracting, definitely doesn't fit..
NewNameWhoDis
NewNameWhoDis - 3/12/2013, 9:43 PM
War Zone sucked super hard. I love this Punisher movie tho. I don't give a rats ass if it followed the comic exactly or not. It was a good movie on its own merits. War Zone followed the comic about as well as you could expect and it still sucked ass. Herein lies the problem Hollywood has with making these movies super faithful like you fanboys want every single time. You schmucks are the ONLY ones who will like them.
NoJobBOB
NoJobBOB - 3/12/2013, 9:53 PM
Thomas Jane was awesome in The Punisher. Sucks it was such an early Marvel film. If it came out now it would be so much better.

It was bad ass though.
NoJobBOB
NoJobBOB - 3/12/2013, 9:55 PM
zachshivey
zachshivey - 3/12/2013, 10:09 PM
I agree with @NoJobBOB....it would be a hit today for sure. It was too early for a darker CBM
m0th3r
m0th3r - 3/12/2013, 10:15 PM
@jCameron I love the violence in the second one too..Ray had the look, it wasnt a great movie, but had a few great moments...the shotgun blast to the face is in top 10 ever.. :)
jerryblake
jerryblake - 3/12/2013, 11:39 PM
it was good movie - for first 20 minutes or so, on the island.
Then we went to Florida, met the new neighbors, have a coffee with a killer (he did even write a song for us), played baseball with a Mother Russia. Next thing we know we where bombing cars in the shape of Punisher skulls.

It just didn't worked.

Jane was good (but Dolph nailed it. His best role to date)

still, it was far better than War Zone.

Now reboot The Punisher. Here, I show you how



Just adapt Year One.
jerryblake
jerryblake - 3/12/2013, 11:40 PM
BEST PUNISHER GRAPHIC NOVEL EVER (in my humble opinion)
Bread
Bread - 3/13/2013, 4:15 AM
Tom was a great Punisher, but the script sucked. He proved that he is the perfect Punisher with Dirty Laundry. I think he's an even better punisher now because he's more aged and mean looking.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 3/13/2013, 4:53 AM
Both actors imo did well as punisher. I just the rest of the cast. Almost like they tried to hard to please everyone. I would actually give Affleck and favreau a daredevil punisher team up. With both hunting each other down at first then finding out they have a common enemy.Affleck directs and focuses on the human drama. Favreau works his magic prducing providing that comic book aspect.
Foxpaw
Foxpaw - 3/13/2013, 5:31 AM
Disney I imagine a little frightened by Marvel Knights characters in general. I can't see them embracing the likes of Ghost Rider, Blade and the Punisher without having them like the 90's Spider-Man series had them. Characters who should get TV shows and not movies are Punisher, Daredevil and Power Man. Blade doesn't work as vampires get monotonous... Hulk won't work, because that is a lot of CGI for a lead character that would just grunt mostly. and seeing Banner getvcaught up for Hulk to smash every week would also get monotonous. blade and Hulk are novelty characters, and should appear to surprise instead hold the limelight. Punisher would be your dark detective series. Daredevil your law and order series. And Power Man is a pioneering concept for his own series. A well established superhero that has the most humble of roots and scenario compared to others, and it's a very different type of a series that would add something different to ordinary viewers even. S.H.I.E.L.D.'s should be about Coulson, Romanov and Barton, and not just Coulson, and should explain to everyone, fans or neutrals, just why these three get to hang around Iron Man, Thor and Captain America more than other agents do. That's what I would like to see.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 3/13/2013, 7:08 AM
hard to make a true story punisher flick an it be something that did well in the box office.............
frank is the real animal , u know it's a problem when captain america is uncomfortable around him
frank isn't a hero at all , hell he's barely human . will hard for movie goers to relate to his character
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