Possible Details Emerge About What Colin Trevorrow Had Planned For Luke And More STAR WARS EPISODE IX

@Vigor - "It's shocking to me how much episode eight killed my excitement for this franchise". Couln't have said it better. I'm looking forward to John Wick 3 100x more than Episode IX.

@FromACertainPOV - Yeah. Such a shame. RIP Carrie.

@FromACertainPOV - I know what you mean FACPOV. It's unfortunate that Carrie will not be in the franchise anymore, but the thing that bothers me most is all the missed opportunities in TLJ. RJ had a chance to write great scenes for Luke and Leia and Rey and Finn for that matter, but either due to his incompetence or stubborn refusal to deny fans all the things they waited 30 years to see, he fumbled the ball.

@chewie - Whether you liked the way that TLJ handled Luke or not, you've got to admit that fading into the force while watching a binary sunset is a pretty fitting and beautiful end as well.

It might have been more traditionally and better suited for Episode IX but as far as exits go - that's a pretty great concept.

@chewie - I really don't see how he was wasted. He sacrificed himself to save the rebellion.

@FromACertainPOV - amen, my friend.

@Origame - "Sacrificed himself to save the rebellion"... See my problem with that is while I get that's what they were intending, Luke essentially just saves around 20 people. We know the galaxy doesn't care about the Resistance and First Order's little skirmish. They want us to believe the stakes are as high as the Original Trilogy, but really the outcome of these two forces' battles feels less significant than a game of Sabacc.

The Rebellion vs Empire was like watching a sports rivalry back in the day feature the 2 best teams and now the Resistance vs First order is like expecting people to get as excited about the rivalry today when both teams aren't any good. The execution of the conflict in the new trilogy s just so poorly done.

@chewie - Thanks. Glad we can respectfully agree to disagree.

@Origame - But just because they lost doesn't mean they can't start over again and win the day.

We have one movie left in this trilogy, and they brought the whole scenario back to a pre-ANH state.

With the galaxy in so much fear of the First Order

Who is in fear of the First Order though? The parts of the galaxy that seem to care about the conflict at all are rich people making more money of it. The pro-Resistance people are at best to be found among the already downtrodden.

And what is the alternative? Even before being annihilated the New Republic had clearly failed to bring any kind of order and peace to the galaxy. Snoke rather easily destroyed everything they'd built.

The only thing potentially turning people against the First Order is the incompetence of their new leadership.

@Kyos - 1) how about waiting until said movie happens before immediately judging how it's going to play out.

2) Yeah, that's what you would think, if you only pay attention to this movie. What about all those planets that witnessed the destruction of Starkiller Base? You honestly think THEY aren't in fear of the First Order?

And what does that even mean? We don't know anything about the New Republic prior to the First Order rising to power. New governments take time. 30 years isn't that much time. The "alternative" is something other than an oppressive dictatorship willing to destroy multiple planets. I'm pretty sure ANY government would be better than that.

@Origame - How about waiting until said movie happens before immediately judging how it's going to play out

I didn't make any prediction about how anything is going to play out, just said what state of affairs the second of three movies left us with.

What about all those planets that witnessed the destruction of Starkiller Base? You honestly think THEY aren't in fear of the First Order?

Okay, yeah. But that obviously didn't motivate enough of the galaxy to support the resistance when there was still a resistance to begin with.

We don't know anything about the New Republic prior to the First Order rising to power.

Which is a pity, because it makes it so much harder to care about its loss and/or to evaluate the state of the galaxy before and after its destruction.

The "alternative" is something other than an oppressive dictatorship willing to destroy multiple planets. I'm pretty sure ANY government would be better than that.

Well, after Palpatine's "oppressive dictatorship willing to destroy multiple planets" had been brought down the galaxy spectacularly failed to prevent Snoke from immediately bringing on the next one. Third time's the charm, I guess?

@Kyos - 1) no, you were stating it like we were going to start off the last movie with like no rebels. Who knows how long it'll take in between movies? They usually have years in between them. They could easily build some army in that time.

2) Yeah. I know it'll be hard to get people to fight the First Order after that. THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE REBELS ALIVE TO CONVINCE THEM! I referenced that moment to illustrate why the galaxy was in a state of fear, which you brushed off. You know, that chewie guy understood differences of opinions. You just seemed determined to make this movie seem more incompetent by contradicting yourself.

3) Did you know ANYTHING about the rise of the galactic empire's rise to power and the fall of the republic prior to the prequels being released? No. Did you care? No. Did said prequels really add anything? No. This is just holding the new movies to such a high standard even the ORIGINALS can't live up to.

4) Snoke grew to power by rounding up the remaining storm troopers and taking advantage of the huge power vacuum that would be left regardless of an established republic. Plus, with Kylo taking out the Jedi temple, they had 2 powerful force users while the republic had 1 demoralized one. Of course the First Order's going to dominate. Not because anyone wants them to. But because the rebels are simply outgunned.