Possible Details Emerge About What Colin Trevorrow Had Planned For Luke And More STAR WARS EPISODE IX

Possible Details Emerge About What Colin Trevorrow Had Planned For Luke And More STAR WARS EPISODE IX

Mark Hamill has revealed that he was on board with Colin Trevorrow's ideas for Luke Skywalker in Star Wars Episode IX, while some new details about what the filmmaker may have been planning have surfaced.

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By JoshWilding - Mar 15, 2018 03:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
While Lucasfilm promised a filmmaker-driven approach to the new wave of Star Wars movies, it's clear that the studio has a very specific idea in mind for how these should all play out. That's why Josh Trank was fired from what was thought to be a Boba Fett movie, while Phil Lord and Chris Miller were replaced on Solo: A Star Wars Story by Ron Howard and Colin Trevorrow was let go from Episode IX. 

During a recent interview, Mark Hamill revealed that he was very happy with what Trevorrow had planned for Luke Skywalker in that release and that he and the filmmaker were both on the same page:

"I had discussions with Colin. I was very excited because we were on the same page in terms of where we wanted to go and how we wanted to see Luke in a way that we never seen him. Even in this current version. But I don't know what went on. I don't want to know because there is no upside to that story. I like all those people. I like Kathy, and I like Lawrence Kasdan and all the people involved in that decision, but sometimes ignorance is bliss. And they don't tell me anything."

What exactly is Hamill referring to here? Well, a Redditor claiming to have some insight into that may have cleared things up. Apparently, Trevorrow fought to have Luke Skywalker remain alive in Episode IX and strongly disagreed with the character being killed off by director Rian Johnson in The Last Jedi. 

Trevorrow also had big plans for Luke and Leia's relationship and was planning to explore her links to the Force in a "beautiful and tragic" way. He also wanted Supreme Leader Snoke to stay alive in order to explore the villain's backstory and would have ended the trilogy with Luke essentially walking off into the sunset. Unfortunately for the director, Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy were adamant he die.

As always, take this with a pinch of salt for now but feel free to share your thoughts down below.
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Vigor
Vigor - 3/15/2018, 4:03 AM
It's shocking to me how much episode eight killed my excitement for this franchise. Happy we have the OT, prequels and clones/rebels shows staying true to star wars. I don't even want to debate it. I just feel ambivalent and it is what it is
LetsFightingLuv
LetsFightingLuv - 3/15/2018, 4:15 AM
@Vigor - "It's shocking to me how much episode eight killed my excitement for this franchise". Couln't have said it better. I'm looking forward to John Wick 3 100x more than Episode IX.
FromACertainPOV
FromACertainPOV - 3/15/2018, 4:03 AM
The real tragedy for me isn't not seeing a living Luke in Episode IX walk off into the sunset, it's the fact that Carrie will never get her Star Wars film. It's such a shame that after TFA saw off Harrison and TLJ focused on Hamill, that we won't get the Episode IX that was "her" film.

And while I was never a fan of Trevorrow, the idea of exploring Leia's force sensitivity in a beautiful and tragic way is endlessly exciting. Especially as TLJ already planted the seeds for that and it would have been something to see her confront her son.
Origame
Origame - 3/15/2018, 4:17 AM
@FromACertainPOV - Yeah. Such a shame. RIP Carrie.
AC1
AC1 - 3/15/2018, 5:24 AM
@FromACertainPOV - makes me wish they'd cut Finn and Rose's rubbish mission subplot and spent that time with Leia instead, especially as she was written out a lot of the movie.

Loved the movie but it definitely has its fair share of problems, with the handling of Leia's character being one of the top ones.

I actually like Luke's arc in 8, which I know is an unpopular opinion, but to me when I watch it in context with everything we've seen so far while also looking forward to what comes next, it's the only arc that makes sense.
DanJack
DanJack - 3/15/2018, 7:39 AM
@FromACertainPOV - I know what you mean FACPOV. It's unfortunate that Carrie will not be in the franchise anymore, but the thing that bothers me most is all the missed opportunities in TLJ. RJ had a chance to write great scenes for Luke and Leia and Rey and Finn for that matter, but either due to his incompetence or stubborn refusal to deny fans all the things they waited 30 years to see, he fumbled the ball.
chewie
chewie - 3/15/2018, 4:05 AM
“Walking off into the sunset”. That would’ve been beautiful and deserving for both the character amd Hamill.
FromACertainPOV
FromACertainPOV - 3/15/2018, 4:07 AM
@chewie - Whether you liked the way that TLJ handled Luke or not, you've got to admit that fading into the force while watching a binary sunset is a pretty fitting and beautiful end as well.

It might have been more traditionally and better suited for Episode IX but as far as exits go - that's a pretty great concept.

chewie
chewie - 3/15/2018, 4:12 AM
@FromACertainPOV - I loved the way he faded and the sunset was an amazing visual. I still stand by My opinion that he was wasted and that his death, if they really wanted it, should’ve been saved for IX. I’m not as bitter as most but the way they handled Luke still bothers me. Oh well, life goes on and I’m still a huge fan.
Origame
Origame - 3/15/2018, 4:18 AM
@chewie - I really don't see how he was wasted. He sacrificed himself to save the rebellion.
FromACertainPOV
FromACertainPOV - 3/15/2018, 4:24 AM
@chewie - Well that's fair, I personally loved what they did.

Though I do admit that a part of me would still like to see Luke in some way in Ep9 (and I'm not entirely convinced we won't) especially now we know that force ghosts can affect the physical world. We may still see a great show of power from Skywalker beyond his passing.

But I'm happy that the film didn't complete ruin everything for you as it seems to have done for others. Hopefully Episode IX gives you a satisfying and fulfilling conclusion.



chewie
chewie - 3/15/2018, 4:35 AM
@FromACertainPOV - amen, my friend.
chewie
chewie - 3/15/2018, 4:36 AM
@Origame - difference of opinion, man. Glad you enjoyed it though.
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 3/15/2018, 4:41 AM
@Origame - "Sacrificed himself to save the rebellion"... See my problem with that is while I get that's what they were intending, Luke essentially just saves around 20 people. We know the galaxy doesn't care about the Resistance and First Order's little skirmish. They want us to believe the stakes are as high as the Original Trilogy, but really the outcome of these two forces' battles feels less significant than a game of Sabacc.

The Rebellion vs Empire was like watching a sports rivalry back in the day feature the 2 best teams and now the Resistance vs First order is like expecting people to get as excited about the rivalry today when both teams aren't any good. The execution of the conflict in the new trilogy s just so poorly done.
Origame
Origame - 3/15/2018, 4:50 AM
@TheRaven20 - You're only looking at it from a simplistic view. In the end of the day, the rebellion has actually lost. But just because they lost doesn't mean they can't start over again and win the day. With the galaxy in so much fear of the First Order, they basically need the remaining rebels to properly convince them to fight back, so any hope of eventually defeating the First Order ever rests on the rebels surviving.

That's the brilliance of this end to Luke's story. It ends the exact same way it began, by giving the galaxy a new hope.
Origame
Origame - 3/15/2018, 4:51 AM
@chewie - Thanks. Glad we can respectfully agree to disagree.
FromACertainPOV
FromACertainPOV - 3/15/2018, 5:10 AM
@TheRaven20 - I always saw Luke's sacrifice as less about buying the Resistance time, as it was about rebuilding and re-establishing the mythic legend of Skywalker for the galaxy. Exactly for the purpose that it will make the resistance more than just "20 people", which works hand in hand with Rose and Finn's subplot on Canto Bight.

Luke steps out, younger than he is, classic blue lightsaber in hand and faces down Supreme Leader Ren and the First Order alone. He does so without striking a blow. Without rage and violence. Simultaneously doing exactly what he thought would be impossible and fruitless and also upholding the serenity of Jedi intervention. That once again becomes a story that is told across the galaxy (as seen in the stable boy bookend)
Kyos
Kyos - 3/15/2018, 5:23 AM
@Origame - But just because they lost doesn't mean they can't start over again and win the day.

We have one movie left in this trilogy, and they brought the whole scenario back to a pre-ANH state.

With the galaxy in so much fear of the First Order

Who is in fear of the First Order though? The parts of the galaxy that seem to care about the conflict at all are rich people making more money of it. The pro-Resistance people are at best to be found among the already downtrodden.

And what is the alternative? Even before being annihilated the New Republic had clearly failed to bring any kind of order and peace to the galaxy. Snoke rather easily destroyed everything they'd built.

The only thing potentially turning people against the First Order is the incompetence of their new leadership.
Kyos
Kyos - 3/15/2018, 5:37 AM
@FromACertainPOV - it was about rebuilding and re-establishing the mythic legend of Skywalker for the galaxy

But "the galaxy" didn't see any of it. "The galaxy" will only hear about this from a handful of desperate people. People who are on the run and will have to beg for any help they can get. The First Order can just dismiss and laugh off any such story. The 5 minute return of Luke Skywalker is a desperate attempt at Resistance propaganda, without any basis PR evidence aside from the word of people who lost a war.
Origame
Origame - 3/15/2018, 5:38 AM
@Kyos - 1) how about waiting until said movie happens before immediately judging how it's going to play out.

2) Yeah, that's what you would think, if you only pay attention to this movie. What about all those planets that witnessed the destruction of Starkiller Base? You honestly think THEY aren't in fear of the First Order?

And what does that even mean? We don't know anything about the New Republic prior to the First Order rising to power. New governments take time. 30 years isn't that much time. The "alternative" is something other than an oppressive dictatorship willing to destroy multiple planets. I'm pretty sure ANY government would be better than that.
FromACertainPOV
FromACertainPOV - 3/15/2018, 5:47 AM
@Kyos - It doesn’t matter that they say, it matters that they believe and PR or otherwise word spread. And with the word of Skywalker and the actions of people like Finn and Rose, Hope is being rebuilt.

It doesn’t matter what the First Order says. It’s not about disproving the First Order, they’re not a seemingly benevolent force that rules through lies. People know how bad they are, and how bad the Galaxy is. But they’re afraid and they’re complacent and those that aren’t take advantage. Canto Bight is be embodiment of those that profit off of the absense of their own morality. A resistance and a rebellion isn’t solely about pushing oppressors down, it’s letting the lesser up. (In other words saving what you love over destroying what you hate)
Kyos
Kyos - 3/15/2018, 6:24 AM
@Origame - How about waiting until said movie happens before immediately judging how it's going to play out

I didn't make any prediction about how anything is going to play out, just said what state of affairs the second of three movies left us with.

What about all those planets that witnessed the destruction of Starkiller Base? You honestly think THEY aren't in fear of the First Order?

Okay, yeah. But that obviously didn't motivate enough of the galaxy to support the resistance when there was still a resistance to begin with.

We don't know anything about the New Republic prior to the First Order rising to power.

Which is a pity, because it makes it so much harder to care about its loss and/or to evaluate the state of the galaxy before and after its destruction.

The "alternative" is something other than an oppressive dictatorship willing to destroy multiple planets. I'm pretty sure ANY government would be better than that.

Well, after Palpatine's "oppressive dictatorship willing to destroy multiple planets" had been brought down the galaxy spectacularly failed to prevent Snoke from immediately bringing on the next one. Third time's the charm, I guess?
Kyos
Kyos - 3/15/2018, 6:33 AM
@FromACertainPOV - It doesn’t matter that they say, it matters that they believe and PR or otherwise word spread. And with the word of Skywalker and the actions of people like Finn and Rose, Hope is being rebuilt.

Long as nobody asks what Luke did in his long absence, which helped things get as worse as they got. And when talking about Finn and Rose they probably should leave out the part where their insubordination helped accelerate the downfall of the Resistance.

A resistance and a rebellion isn’t solely about pushing oppressors down, it’s letting the lesser up.

Maybe a good moment for that might have been the decades when the Rebellion tried to establish itself as the galaxy's new government, not the moment after they've been beaten into a pulp and been reduced to a single ship.
Origame
Origame - 3/15/2018, 7:24 AM
@Kyos - 1) no, you were stating it like we were going to start off the last movie with like no rebels. Who knows how long it'll take in between movies? They usually have years in between them. They could easily build some army in that time.

2) Yeah. I know it'll be hard to get people to fight the First Order after that. THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE REBELS ALIVE TO CONVINCE THEM! I referenced that moment to illustrate why the galaxy was in a state of fear, which you brushed off. You know, that chewie guy understood differences of opinions. You just seemed determined to make this movie seem more incompetent by contradicting yourself.

3) Did you know ANYTHING about the rise of the galactic empire's rise to power and the fall of the republic prior to the prequels being released? No. Did you care? No. Did said prequels really add anything? No. This is just holding the new movies to such a high standard even the ORIGINALS can't live up to.

4) Snoke grew to power by rounding up the remaining storm troopers and taking advantage of the huge power vacuum that would be left regardless of an established republic. Plus, with Kylo taking out the Jedi temple, they had 2 powerful force users while the republic had 1 demoralized one. Of course the First Order's going to dominate. Not because anyone wants them to. But because the rebels are simply outgunned.
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