Kurtzman And Orci Talk Khan And Bringing In Another Writer On STAR TREK 3

Kurtzman And Orci Talk Khan And Bringing In Another Writer On STAR TREK 3

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman admit they read online fan responses and comments to projects they're working on, what it meant to write Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness and if they'll write or bring in help on Star Trek 3.

By MarkJulian - Aug 06, 2013 07:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Trek

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have quite the impressive and extensive resume. The writing partners have teamed up on The Island, Mission: Impossible III, Transformers, Star Trek and of course Star Trek Into Darkness. They've also teamed up on the forthcoming Ender's Game, Edge of Tomorrow (formerly known as All You Need Is Kill), and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. They are also involved with numerous tv projects as well. Point being, they're very busy. Which is why they brought in Damon Lindelof to help with writing Star Trek Into Darkness. Below, the duo discuss whether they'll bring a third writer again on Star Trek 3 and if they listen to online feedback from fans about the projects they're working on.

Kurtzman admitted that they do read online responses to projects they're working on, even films they're in the middle of writing. Said Alex"Bob will constantly say when we're writing something, 'Oh you know, I've been reading a lot online and people aren't liking X or Y or they're critical of this or that.' We'll certainly weigh that into the things that we write. We'll decide if we want to give that total merit or say, 'Okay, but still there's more to be explored here and we really like it.' So I just don't believe that you're ever really finished. I think you have to let it be an evolving process. There's all these articles that are being written right now about the summer tent poles, and why some work, and why some don't. We've had a very fortunate summer, but I can't exactly tell you why."

So were they aware of the media frenzy surrounding Benedict Cumberbatch's role, and whether he was or was not Khan and the more current topic of debate of whether Khan was accurately portrayed in Star Trek Into Darkness? "Khan is a whole different ball game," said Kurtzman. He continued, "We debated whether we were going to us Khan or not for a year before we started writing anything. Before we committed to breaking story, even. Khan is the Joker of Star Trek. Khan is the most memorable villain in Star Trek and probably the thing that got me completely locked in on Trek as a kid. And because it was also, really the most emotional Trek ever, we knew what we would be taking on by taking on Khan. And part of it was, 'Okay lets do it because of all of the reasons, because we're protective of him, because we know what it means.' At the same time we talked a lot about how we were going to make it really different. We did not want to do a remake of The Wrath of Khan. And yet there are certain things about our version of Khan that you recognize, that feel similar, but it's not the same story. We just didn't want to do that and I think so far, for the most part, people appreciated that. But it took a lot of thought. We gave it a lot of thought."

And on rumors that they'll actually hire someone else to write the film or bring on another writer to help out again? Said Orci, "We are currently talking to Paramount to see if we can make a schedule work where we can remain involved, but again, for example the second movie we teamed with Damon Lindelof, so on the the third film we may do something similar. [But] With anyone who's willing and able to come help out with the crew of the Enterprise [not necessarily Lindelof]."



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ALF9001
ALF9001 - 8/6/2013, 8:04 AM
I loved Into Darkness
Best summer movie so far, with pacific rim being a close second
bagadoosh
bagadoosh - 8/6/2013, 8:09 AM
The use of khan was not my problem in fact for the most part they did a nice job reinventing the character . I honestly have a hard time judging Into darkness without bias , it made extremely angry when they messed with spocks death and after I got pissed it was hard for me to be anything but mad and disappointed with the entire film even though it did have some amazing scenes .

I have wanted to do an official review of the film but that would require me to see it again and I have no plans to do that to myself again .

was it a horrible movie ?? No not all but they messed with something I consider sacred to science fiction movie history , nice attempt to tribute the past but it was huge fail in my opinion . And for that these writers will never be trusted by me again .
Phinehas
Phinehas - 8/6/2013, 8:09 AM
The Khan story was introduced too quickly. The emotional connection between Spock and Kirk was also rushed. The reversal of roles where Kirk (SPOILER ALERT) dies also was pure corn. The emotion development of these guys from the original stress developed over decades.
They need to work on subtlety.
Phinehas
Phinehas - 8/6/2013, 8:11 AM
*The original show
wcwpoet
wcwpoet - 8/6/2013, 8:14 AM
What's so crazy is with all the movies I've seen this summer I totally forgot that I saw Star Trek Into Darkness LOL. I thought it was good yes I groaned a bit with the last frame by frame recap of Wrath of Khan just switch roles of Kirk & Spock but it was still a really good movie. But so far shockingly enough World War Z has been the best of the summer bunch, that is until Elysium hits.
RamonSuarez
RamonSuarez - 8/6/2013, 8:15 AM
The ruined the hell out of Khan. He resembled nothing of the charming, charismatic sociopath we remembered from the TV show and movie. Somehow I am to believe that Cumberbatch's character is supposed to be a madder, more physically imposing version of Montalban's Khan because the Federation blackmailed him to kill Klingons for a year. This was a warlord who was responsible for igniting a world war that massacred millions of 'inferior' people. Total fail.
IM53
IM53 - 8/6/2013, 8:22 AM
Anyone else sick of these two rascals?
4thDoctor
4thDoctor - 8/6/2013, 8:23 AM
Bob & Alex,

Listening to what "they" are saying on the internet is one thing. Taking it to heart is another.
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I wonder if you actually let an intelligent fan read your script for Into Darkness before sending it to be filmed. I would volunteer. I am one of those guys, along with thousaned upon thousands of others that LOVE Star Trek. I know the details. I know the history. I know what can be done and what can't be done with the history.
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Of course it's easy for me and "them" to point out your flaws after the fact, but what about getting assistance BEFORE you inflame the fanbase with poorly thought out connections and plots, but, we still know what works, what would work, and what could work.
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Contact me when you read this. Send me a PM or email. You won't be disappointed. I'd really like to help you make the Trek movie that will please EVERYONE.
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Thank you
JettJagguarrr
JettJagguarrr - 8/6/2013, 8:25 AM
I was Stunned.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 8/6/2013, 8:29 AM
Star trek 2 is the best summer movie so far.
Scooby
Scooby - 8/6/2013, 8:44 AM
To both of you:

IM53
IM53 - 8/6/2013, 8:52 AM
Exactly bags
cosmicman
cosmicman - 8/6/2013, 8:56 AM
Thats why Lindelof is gone.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 8/6/2013, 9:27 AM
*sighs deeply" more fanboy whining. Star Trek fanboy whining instead of comic book fanboy whining. Yeah, there were a couple of things that I thought could've been better, but overall I really liked it. (And it's some little stuff that bothers me, which is why I don't make a big deal about it, because it is little. The way phasers and shields work, for example.)

The last thing, absolutely the last thing I would want is some fanboy who thinks he's the ultimate Star Trek expert to become some kind of adviser on a film. Yeah, he might fix some of those little things that kind of bug me, but he would probably end up ruining the movie. Fulfill some fanboy wish to have the Enterprise travel to the other timeline and meet their older counterparts, or something else like that. Worry so much about the Star Trek canon that he ruins what would be a good story (let's face it, no Star Trek fanboy would have ever approved, in advance, destroying Vulcan, but doing so was integral to that movie and helped make it a very good story.)

You really want to do something good with Star Trek? Put it back on TV where it belongs. Make a new series with new characters, maybe set another 25-40 years after the Next Generation films (which I think would put it in the 25th century.) A new Enterprise, the Enterprise-F. You can keep doing these films too, but to truly explore characters and storylines you really need a weekly TV series, not just a movie every 2-3 years.
jerryblake
jerryblake - 8/6/2013, 10:03 AM
i just don't know how it's happened but it did.
Into Darkness sucked.

First Star trek movie was tight, intelligent, and funny piece of cinema.

Second one was just ... lazy. It's got lazy writing written all over it. Don't know how it got passed JJ control point.
I got a same problem with DKR. It felt like Nolan didn't even red the script.
Ceejay
Ceejay - 8/6/2013, 10:05 AM
Dumbest writing ever, they turned Khan into some Marvel Superhero level genetic being for the sake of having him be hit a billion times in ridiculous scenes.

Where did Khan come from if before the timeline was disrupted, he was already marooned in deep space from 1997. The original timeline Enterprise only discovered his ship during their first year exploring deep space, in this timeline they hadn't even begun exploring till the end of this movie.

Then we have the all intelligently written Star Fleet officers who magic Khan out of nowhere, force him to make weapons for them or they'll not free his 72 crew-mates in cryogenic sleep. He makes 72 torpedos and these dumb asses don't put two and two together..

72 torpedo's.. 72 crew men...

Worse than that they don't even realize the crewmen are missing until they've given all 72 of their arsenal to the enterprise and ask Kirk just to fire one!

And what was Khan's genius plan, once these guys had even tried testing a torpedo? Watch it fire at a target and have the crewmen inside squish against the hull of a Klingon ship or turn into street pizza at ground targets?

And now they've turned the character into Wolverine and brought Kirk back to life by replicating its properties. How does anyone every die again in Star Trek? How is it a breakthrough in medical science like that happened in 1997 and 300 years later they're clueless despite every massive advance in technology?

Dumb writing, Dumb movie for dumb audiences!
jerryblake
jerryblake - 8/6/2013, 10:13 AM
p.s. if a little girl survived thanks to Khan blood, shouldn't she be like ... immortal ?
Same goes with Kirk.

That's the main thing that bugged me after seeing the movie.

Or is it possible that Khan's blood can only cure you ?

If it's so, than why didn't they use his body to create a cure for all of the diseases ?
bagadoosh
bagadoosh - 8/6/2013, 10:24 AM
STTNG
STDS9
Voyager
Enterprise

they already oversaturated the TV market so I vote no on that Idea , just make better movies .
Alvahnomicron
Alvahnomicron - 8/6/2013, 10:29 AM
I enjoyed, "...Into Darkness", but, it had a bevy of issues. The BIG one, the one that took me out of the movie sometimes, was Kahn. Out of all the actors they could've chosen for Khan Noonien Sing, why a pasty-white Englishman? At least Montalban was generically, "of color". It bugs the HELL out of me.
Why, oh, why, couldn't they have gotten the actor who played Mohinder Suresh???
BeeMo
BeeMo - 8/6/2013, 10:50 AM
I completely stand with Alvahnomicron. The thing that bugged me the most too was the choice of actor for Khan. Granted, Benedict is a marvelous actor -- but the Khan character was essentially a man of color. Middle Eastern to be exact. It's in his name AND in the original series they listed the region of his rule to be middle-eastern or asian.

That one casting choice ruined the character for me, because it just made no sense. Personally, I didn't like Into Darkness, and I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan. I loved the first Trek in 2009 -- but this one left me so flat, I'll be wrought to go see the next in the theaters now.
Oxbow
Oxbow - 8/6/2013, 11:19 AM
Why didn't they use the blood of any of the other 72 rocket men on Kirk? Why did they need khan for that? That was the only problem for me.
bagadoosh
bagadoosh - 8/6/2013, 11:19 AM
I'd watch a star trek TV show if Ronald D Moore wrote it
bagadoosh
bagadoosh - 8/6/2013, 11:21 AM
@charlie We have our legitimate gripes and have not been shy about sharing them you may not agree with our reasons but I believe most of us have spelled out exactly why we hate it .
bagadoosh
bagadoosh - 8/6/2013, 11:24 AM
But I understand your attitude because I can't figure out why a start trek fan could walk out of into darkness in a good mood much less like the movie at all . just hard for me to comprehend
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