SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE Exclusive: Ganke Had A Big Role Until SPIDER-MAN HOMECOMING Based Ned On Him

SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE Exclusive: Ganke Had A Big Role Until SPIDER-MAN HOMECOMING Based Ned On Him

We chatted with Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse director Peter Ramsey and learned that Ned being in Spider-Man: Homecoming caused them to reduce Ganke's role in the film. Hear what he had to say below!

By LiteraryJoe - Sep 12, 2020 07:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Into The Spider-Verse

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse took audiences by storm when it hit theaters in December of 2018. While fans were incredibly excited about the film, and it was expected to do well, no one was ready for how well it did.

The movie was awarded the Oscar for Best Animated Feature, which was a major win for super-hero films and fans everywhere. What's interesting is that Peter Ramsey (Godzilla, Independence Day) directed the film after delivering a flop with his directorial debut for DreamWorks with Rise of the Guardians.

Getting back up after failure is the theme of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse, which makes it interesting that the concept mirrors in Ramsey's personal life. Finding success after failure in the pursuit of dreams is what the director appeared on Faceplant to talk about.

In support of his story and his Faceplant feature, we got the amazing and spectacular opportunity to speak with Peter. We covered a wide range of topics that we will be sharing with you all this week, including the fact that Ganke was initially intended to be a main character in Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse until Sony and Spider-Man Homecoming shut that down with their portrayal of Ned.

To hear our full conversation with director and storyboard artist Peter Ramsey click the podcast player below, otherwise, simply scroll down for the transcript!

Literary Joe: Is there anything that you can mention that didn't make it into the movie, or is all of that stuff being reserved for the sequels and spin-offs?

Peter Ramsey: No, actually, I can't think of too many recycled ideas that were like, "Oh, we always want it to do this." And there might be one or two stray things.

But the biggest thing that we wanted to do in this movie that we weren't able to do was having Ganke play a larger role. Definitely, because we had a whole person, and I think you can see some of it on one of the blu-rays with the alternate storyboard cut, where the whole first part of the movie Ganke was in it. And they were best friends from the very beginning, so much, it could have been about the two of them discovering Miles's Spider powers together.

And when Homecoming came out, and we saw that "Oh my God, look, Peter Parker has a best friend. He is literally like Ganke from the comics." I thought, well, we just couldn't do it. You know, it turned into a big thing, and it was kind of like Sony was going, "Oh, sorry, we ate your lunch." We had to tweak that whole relationship, and, at the end of this movie, you kind of see the origin of their friendship.

But the original plan was to have them be best friends from the beginning. So we were so happy with what we had, and we had so much fun with those two that it was almost like we don't even need for him to become Spider-Man. This is entertaining, just watching two friends. 

But yeah, man, we had to let it go. And we were devastated, but looking at it now, I dunno how we could have spent enough time with those two to make it work out in a satisfying way. So it kind of all worked out for the best, I think.

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What do you guys make of Peter's comments? Would you like to see more Ganke in the sequel, or do you agree that it would be treading the same ground as with Ned in Homecoming? Sound off below!


 

Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, the creative minds behind The Lego Movie and 21 Jump Street, bring their unique talents to a fresh vision of a different Spider-Man Universe, with a groundbreaking visual style that’s the first of its kind.


Spider-Man™: Into the Spider-Verse introduces Brooklyn teen Miles Morales, and the limitless possibilities of the Spider-Verse, where more than one can wear the mask.


If you're interested in watching Peter's Faceplant episode, you can check it out here.

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KWilly
KWilly - 9/12/2020, 7:39 AM
I always thought it was weird they made Ned exactly like Ganke. So now when Spider-Verse 2 wants to use Ganke, casuals are gonna be like, "Tf, he's exactly like Ned." Lol
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 7:43 AM
@KWilly - Exactly! That's one of the reasons I thought it was interesting to learn about this because anyone who reads or hears this will hopefully have a better understanding of why the sequel is the way it is. Anyways, thanks for reading/listening!
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 7:42 AM
@rocket616 @origame @drrichards @mrdoctor @nebula @saintsinnister @tripttwe @marvellousporg @bkmeijer @reeds2much @8thdoctor - Here's an awesome one for you guys!
E4Nigma
E4Nigma - 9/12/2020, 7:53 AM
Don't get me wrong, I like Holland as MCU Spider-Man but Marvel really messed his supporting characters. Flash sucks, MJ sucks, no Harry, Ned is literally Ganke, etc.
E4Nigma
E4Nigma - 9/12/2020, 8:01 AM
@E4Nigma -

*Marvel really messed up
Chaos200
Chaos200 - 9/12/2020, 8:11 AM
@E4Nigma - That's what happens when "diversity takes precedent over story and lore.
TheMapleSyrup
TheMapleSyrup - 9/12/2020, 8:03 AM
Wasn't Bendis annoyed that they turned Ned into Ganke?
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 9/12/2020, 8:04 AM
Not that I think it was a factor that really was missing from the movie, it's kind of a bummer that Homecoming did indeed eat Spider-Verse' lunch.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 12:28 PM
@bkmeijer - I love that you used the direct quote, I appreciate you checking it out.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 9/12/2020, 8:37 AM
I don’t know why they chose to do Ned Ganke in the first place but I do like Ned and Peter’s relationship. “Guy in the chair”. Daily reminder that homecoming was really good. I’m excited for what we they have for the spider verse 2. I didn’t find it a masterpiece as others but it was a good movie

RslvTheJrnymn
RslvTheJrnymn - 9/12/2020, 8:45 AM
wow...Ned in the MCU is based on Ned Leeds in the comics...he's not based on Ganke.

1. Peter Parker has more than 1 "best friend".
2. Leave it to the writers at comicbookmovie to get the facts wrong again & again & again & again & again & again.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 8:51 AM
@RslvTheJrnymn - The director literally explains that that is the reason. It's ripped word for word from the interview. Also, are you familiar with Ned Leeds from the comics? Because he's nothing like Ganke, bud.

Thanks for reading!
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 8:54 AM
@RslvTheJrnymn - Grabbed this for ya!

"In the film Spider-Man: Homecoming, its interpretation of Ned Leeds is extremely similar to Ganke, down to sharing a similar physical appearance, personality and computer skills. Brian Michael Bendis addressed these similarities, expressing that he didn't know if Ned was meant to have been inspired by Ganke.[19]
In Spider-Man Vol 2 #16, Bendis jokingly had Ganke use the alias of "Ned," with Danika Hart expressing he "[didn't] look like a Ned."
TheMapleSyrup
TheMapleSyrup - 9/12/2020, 8:57 AM
@RslvTheJrnymn - No one is saying Ned Leeds isn't in the comics. Just that the film iteration took most it's cues from Ganke, not Ned from the comics.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 9:04 AM
@TheMapleSyrup - Thanks! Glad that came through, comments like this make me worried that I didn't express the point well enough in the article. It means a lot that you read and or listened! Thanks so much for your support!
Origame
Origame - 9/12/2020, 9:31 AM
@RslvTheJrnymn - ...this version is clearly based on ganke. Yes, he has the name but if thats your criteria for adaptation then you literally can never complain about accuracy to the source material.
Rosraf
Rosraf - 9/12/2020, 8:46 AM
“Peter Parker HAS a best friend” not “Peter Parker AS a best friend”.

Though I am curious as to the extent to which they substituted Peter B. Parker in more in Spiderverse after deciding not to feature Ganke as much. Because Peter B. Parker and Miles’ relationship is the backbone of that movie. I thought the limited Ganke bits worked great.

LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 8:52 AM
@Rosraf - Thanks for that! Also, that's a really good point! Thanks for reading!
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 9/12/2020, 8:50 AM
What's worse is they made Betty Brant a high schooler and look exactly like Gwen. They killed two important women in Peter's life with one stone.



It's a good thing TAS made the general audience familiar with Gwen and "Betty's" role in the MCU isn't as big as Ned's, otherwise they might have been on the fence about including Spider-Gwen as well.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 9/12/2020, 9:16 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - It's so funny to me that Elizabeth Banks was Betty in the original trilogy.
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