Sony's SSMU Movies May Be Limiting The Number Of SPIDER-MAN Villains Available To Marvel Studios

Sony's SSMU Movies May Be Limiting The Number Of SPIDER-MAN Villains Available To Marvel Studios

A new rumor is claiming that any villain introduced in Sony Pictures' Spider-Man based movies "blocks" Marvel Studios from using that same character down the line...

By MarkCassidy - Aug 15, 2024 10:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

The current deal in place between Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios when it comes to how Spider-Man can be utilized on screen tends to lead to some confusion, and it sounds like there may be more to it than we realized.

As things stand, Sony maintains the rights to Spider-Man and all of his villains and supporting characters, but the deal allows Marvel Studios to have Tom Holland's wall-crawler appear in their movies (Avengers: Endgame, etc), while the solo Spider-Man films remain Sony/Marvel co-productions.

Sony has been forging ahead with its own "SSMU" universe, with movies that don't feature Spider-Man at all and focus on the likes of Venom, Morbius, and the upcoming Kraven the Hunter, and this may limit the number of characters Marvel can use.

According to Daniel Richtman, "Whenever Sony uses a villain, they block Marvel Studios from using them, which means there aren't many left for MCU Spider-Man to face off against."

We're not sure exactly what this means for a Sony/Marvel co-production (the upcoming Spider-Man 4, for example), but would Sony really prohibit Marvel from using a character in a project they also have a major stake in? We do know that having Holland's Spidey face-off against Venom (Tom Hardy) continues to be a complicated issue, and this could explain why.

Even if this is accurate, Spider-Man has one of the most extensive and varied bad guy rosters of any superhero, so there are still plenty of villains available to Marvel Studios. Also, the Venom movies aside, the SSMU hasn't exactly been a massive success, and the failure of Madame Web has led to speculation that Kraven underperforming could spell the end of the franchise.

Who knows - maybe the studios will be hashing out a new deal that's a lot more beneficial to Marvel soon enough.

Rumors aside, we still know very little about how Spider-Man 4 is shaping up. Sony's Tom Rothman and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige are believed to have had some disagreements when it comes to the overall plot, with the latter hoping to scale the Multiverse elements back for a smaller story. Rothman, meanwhile, is said to want to capitalize on No Way Home's success by bringing Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield back as their respective takes on Peter Parker.

Holland will, of course, return as the MCU's Spidey alongside Zendaya as MJ, but the actor is believed to be "growing wary" of playing the iconic hero, so this could be his final solo outing as the wall-crawler - though he will almost certainly play a part in one of both of the upcoming Avengers films.

"We have the best in the business working toward whatever the story might be," Holland said in a recent interview. "But until we’ve cracked it, we have a legacy to protect," Holland explained. "The third movie was so special in so many ways that we need to make sure we do the right thing."

No Way Home scribes Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers are writing the script.

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CoHost
CoHost - 8/15/2024, 10:46 AM
Sony Marvel: The Place Where Normal People Become Comedians
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 8/15/2024, 10:49 AM
I think Sony wanted to create a separate villain verse to eventually bring Tom Holland into but they have royally botched the entire thing to the point where they lose money for every movie.
mountainman
mountainman - 8/15/2024, 11:17 AM
@SonOfAGif - This is likely. They probably only wanted to lend the MCU Spiderman for a short period to try to benefit from the popularity. They had likely originally planned to pull Holland from the MCU and insert him into the villain verse they are building. But then the villain movies mostly flopped and Holland in the MCU is making bank so they aren’t sure what to do.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/16/2024, 7:39 AM
@mountainman - Sony also control rights to all Spider-man villains outside of some ltd exceptions so if any of this holds any truth, which I doubt, it is Sony saying that they won't let them use characters as STILL holding a backup plan of having Holland face them in their own films if the deal with MCU ends. Sony could allow all of them to show up in the MCU or allow Disney to create Variants of any of them if they wanted but I Marvel Studios made their villains work in ways they failed to do so....
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 8/15/2024, 10:49 AM
kraven don't need no spider-man.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 8/15/2024, 10:49 AM
Chad Sony
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 8/15/2024, 10:49 AM
With the amount of box office bombs this universe has they shouldnt even think of withholding anything from Marvel Studios...

Sony be Sony'ing
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 8/15/2024, 10:58 AM
@OptimusCrime - They would make more money (well, lose less) if they just let the MCU use them for free. But I bet Disney would pay half a Billion easy to license those characters back.
mountainman
mountainman - 8/15/2024, 11:19 AM
@clintthahamster - Agreed. They should just make the same deal with all the adjacent characters as they did with Spiderman. MCU has creative control and can use in their universe. Sony gets to distribute and keep most profits. Seems like a win win.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 8/15/2024, 11:44 AM
@clintthahamster - there is a real stupidity going on at Sony.

The MCU is in the multiverse saga... they couldve implented Madam Web in No Way Home to connect the 3 Spideys through the Web.
And used Kraven to hunt town a wanted Spider-man.

The Venom symbiote couldve been introduced on Titan or made clinged onto Peter at the end of No Way Home....

Im just Happy that Marvel has Kingpin so they can use him with Spidey and Daredevil.
dracula
dracula - 8/15/2024, 10:52 AM
Hopefully with every Sony bomb, marvel gets access to something

Put a new Morbius in the Blade reboot

Ignore Morbius and put Vulture back in the mcu

Give them Kraven and Rhino after that movie bombs
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/15/2024, 10:55 AM
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As much as I liked NWH (and think even Kraven looks alright) , I still would have liked to have seen Watts original idea which was to use Kraven until Sony stopped him since they had plans of their own for the character…sigh.

Anyway , there’s still a robust enough Rogue’s gallery there for Holland’s Peter to fight as long as he’s around but if these don’t come to end then I see that dwindling greatly.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 8/15/2024, 10:56 AM
If it weren't for Spider-Man, Sony pictures would have tanked years ago. True incompetence up and down for them. Avid Arad, I hope you stub your toe today! Stock market is ripping lol inflation keeps going down as well ^_^ bacon is not up 400%, more like 18%. Don't trust everything you hear, listen to both sides and you'll find the truth in the middle.
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