SPIDER-MAN 4 - How Sony's MARVEL Villains Can Be Integrated Into An MCU-Set SPIDER-MAN Movie (UPDATED)

SPIDER-MAN 4 - How Sony's MARVEL Villains Can Be Integrated Into An MCU-Set SPIDER-MAN Movie (UPDATED)

With the success of Spider-Man in the MCU, Sony could be looking to tie it's own Marvel villains into the MCU. Read on and find out how Sony could integrate it's villains into the MCU post-Secret Wars.

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By bkmeijer1 - Mar 02, 2025 10:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

With Kraven as the last confirmed Sony movie, Avengers: Doomsday on the horizon and Kingpin and Daredevil confirmed not be in the next Spider-Man movie, Sony could bring its villains over from Earth-688B as a consequence of Avengers: Doomsday. This opens the door for them to appear either in brief cameos -like Daredevil in Spider-Man: No Way Home or Happy in Deadpool & Wolverine- or as central antagonists. In case of the latter, this is just one outline (inspired by the Spider-Man games) for how Kraven, Venom, Morbius, and others can be used in a Spider-Man movie.

To make this work, a few assumptions are made. Knull is an extradimensional god, allowing him to enter the Sacred Timeline at will. He accomplished this after he acquired a partial Codex when Venom merged with the Xenophages in Venom: The Last Dance, which he deciphered and used to break free​​​​​​. Meanwhile on Earth-616, Spider-Man has acquired the Symbiote, possibly as a result of the multiversal fighting that takes place in Avengers: Doomsday. Moreover, Spider-Man also already has had run-ins with Mr. Negative and his Inner Demons, setting the stage for this movie.


Act 1: Kraven's Last Hunt

Spider-Man responds to an Inner Demons attack, which leaves many casualties. Spider-Man fends of their leader Mr. Negative and helps the casualties, including Flash Thomspon, to FEAST, despite the Symbiote telling him to go after Mr. Negative. At FEAST, Spider-Man meets Dr. Michaels and nurse Rio Morales, who tend to the injured. Afterwards, Spider-Man is approached by Madame Web, who warns him that something is coming for the Symbiote. The Symbiote reasons it might be connected to Mr. Negative, so they decide taking out Mr. Negative should remain the priority.

Soon after, Spider-Man is ambushed Kraven, who reveals the Venomized Spider-Man is his final prize. Kraven manages to shoot Spider-Man, and buries him. Spider-Man reawakens at night, digs his way out and makes his way to FEAST. There he is helped by her neighbour Rio's son Miles, who calls in the Night Doctor. The Night Doctor, who turns out to be Dr. Michael Morbius, uses electric shocks and his sonar abilities to sever the Symbiote’s bond with Spider-Man, allowing Spider-Man to heal. The Symbiote is untethered from Spider-Man, but scurries off to the next room.


Act 2: Agent Venom

Having recovered days later, Peter creates a new suit with Doctor Octavius, telling him the suit is "for a friend." During Spider-Man's abscence however, a new vigilante named Agent Venom has started taking on the Inner Demons. With the help of journalist Eddie Brock, who's also looking for the symbiote, they find Agent Venom interrogating Kraven on how to track Mr. Negative. Spider-Man's arrival results in three-way fight, with Agent Venom ultimately defeating Kraven, but escaping in the process. Kraven allows himself to be arrested, having already proven before he can beat Spider-Man.

Spider-Man contacts Aaron Davis, so he can use his ties with the criminal circuit to get a lead on Mr. Negative's location. Arriving at his last whereabouts, Spider-Man finds Agent Venom having beat him to the punch. It's revealed Venom bonded with Flash as he shared a hatred towards Mr. Negative. Another three-way fight erupts, in which Mr. Negative is beaten and returned to his human form: FEAST's founder Martin Li. Having beat Mr. Negative, Spider-Man convinces Flash to let go of Venom and Li. Li then transfers his powers to Venom to purify it into Anti-Venom.


Act 3: King in Black

Li reveals once Knull gave him access to Darkforce energy and corrupted him into becoming Mr. Negative, he developed an innate hatred towards symbiotes and it's wielders. Due to some unforeseen circumstance, Li also gained acces to Lightforce energy. Transformed, he used these powers to establish the Inner Demons to draw out the Symbiote-wielding Spider-Man. At this point, Eddie arrives and Anti-Venom bonds with him, resulting in Anti-Venom gaining the memories of Venom from Earth-688B. However, Knull locates them due to this bond, and so does a mysterious force elsewhere.

Knull's arrival is met by Spider-Man and Anti-Venom's opposition. When Flash shows up and manages to distract Knull, Anti-Venom is possessed by the Enigma Force and becomes Knull's antithesis. Like matter and anti-matter, the Enigma Force and Knull annihilate each other, ending the fight. Later, it's revealed both Miles and Dr. Morbius were infected with Spider-Man's blood. As result of the electric shocks, it triggered powers in Miles and cured Michaels' disease. In the end, Octavius deduces Peter is Spider-Man, but decides not to act on it yet.

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tluciotti74
tluciotti74 - 11/27/2024, 2:01 PM
The story part of this is well thought but, for me, they have already been tainted by the Sony movies so even if MCU wants to use some of the Spider-Man villians from Sony, maybe use ones that they have not already junked up in their Spider-manless Spider-Verse! Personally, I am hoping that even the rumors of Venom in the next movie are not true, would prefer the street level that they are talking about where maybe it picks up after Daredevil and we see them working together to finally take care of Fisk once and for all.
dragon316
dragon316 - 3/2/2025, 1:01 PM
@tluciotti74 - same with some villians have done by marvel
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 3/2/2025, 10:03 AM
DaHULK2000
DaHULK2000 - 3/2/2025, 10:12 AM
Nobody wants this though..best for Marvel to just pretend those movies never happened,and recast all the characters Sony screwed up
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 3/2/2025, 10:19 AM
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I have no interest in watching these ans less interest in them being mixed into the MCU
defenderofthefaith
defenderofthefaith - 3/2/2025, 10:23 AM
After what we just saw in the recent Sony movies I'm not sure it's a good idea to go that route.
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 3/2/2025, 10:27 AM
I appreciate using the symbiotes in a new way rather than just copy/pasting the black suit saga (although I'd like to see Marvel's version of it).

But ultimately, I don't want to incorporate the Sony movies in the MCU.

I know it probably won't happen in SM4, but I still would rather a Spidey/Daredevil team up to take down Fisk who blackmails Jameson into funding the Scorpion project. Give Michael Mando his due. They could even throw in Bullseye.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/2/2025, 11:15 AM
@OrgasmicPotatoe - that's the story I could see play out in 5 now that D'Onoftio confirmed he won't be in the next Spider-Man movie. But with Sony, we'll never know
micvalpro
micvalpro - 3/2/2025, 10:34 AM
What a waste of Tom Hardy
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/2/2025, 12:39 PM
@micvalpro - honestly, so were three venom movies
Astroman
Astroman - 3/2/2025, 11:07 AM
That’s a lot of hard work you did up there to reward Sony for a series of shit movies. It’s a shame some good actors were wasted along the way, but I say reward Sony with nothing.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/2/2025, 11:14 AM
@Astroman - that's one way of putting it. But yeah, you do make a good point. I rather not see it happen either, but I'm not ruling out anything with Sony
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/2/2025, 11:09 AM
Since things are getting inevitably epic and multiversal for Spidey's next outing, I think they should leave the more grounded movie that people actually want to see until after Secret Wars.

Recast with an actual 18 year old. First day of college. Kingpin as the villain. Team up with Daredevil. A little Punisher. Black Cat. Some kinda physically threatening supervillain for Spidey to fight in the third act while DD goes after Kingpin. I dunno, these are just things I keep seeing people want.

But we're obviously not getting them in the next movie and if we are then the next movie's not gonna be what it wants to be OR what fans want it to be.
rychlec
rychlec - 3/2/2025, 11:14 AM
They were just written poorly and directed badly.... Aaron Taylor Johnson and Jared Leto's Kraven and Morbius, respectively, both looked great as their characters and are excellent actors. I say bring them back. (The Rhino still needs a little work though).
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 3/2/2025, 12:02 PM
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DocSpock
DocSpock - 3/2/2025, 12:19 PM

You sometimes have some good thought-provoking articles.

Not this one.

I say burn every bit of this Sony sh!t.

Just have Spidey come back from Secret Wars with the Venom goo stuck on him, then an epic 2-3 movie Eddie Brock/Venom full on hate fueled war with Spiderman.

Oh, and back up the RDJ money truck to Holland's door. Sign him for 8 more years. He is Marvels Golden Goose, bringing in a billion $ + every movie. They can't furk that up.


bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/2/2025, 12:41 PM
@DocSpock - oh yeah, I'm in no way campaigning this is what Spider-Man 4 should be. Just something I thought about in case Sony is gonna a crazy move on is, which I don't put besides them
DocSpock
DocSpock - 3/2/2025, 12:56 PM
@bkmeijer1 -

I hear ya. Sony is a bag full of insane rats.

And keep it up. It's nice to have non ROHR/Josh articles on here for different perspectives.

GirshwinDavies
GirshwinDavies - 3/2/2025, 3:43 PM
Smegma Petersen
1stDalek
1stDalek - 3/2/2025, 5:27 PM
it's easily the shortest route to making an epic multiversal movie, supplement Peter's 2 MCU villains with Venom, Morbius, Kraven, reusing the star power already gathered for the roles. Maybe throw in Carnage from a different Earth were Eddie didn't eat him to get the Sinister Six team Sony has been dead-set on introducing since ASM2. Will the movie end up good? Doubtful, but there's little hope for anything good anyway if the stakes have to be the BIGGEST EVER.

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