THE FLASH Continues To Bomb During Third Weekend Of Release As New INDIANA JONES Movie Also Underperforms

THE FLASH Continues To Bomb During Third Weekend Of Release As New INDIANA JONES Movie Also Underperforms

It was another disastrous weekend for The Flash at the box office, but misery loves company, and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny massively underperformed during its opening frame. Check it out...

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By JoshWilding - Jul 03, 2023 06:07 AM EST
Filed Under: The Flash

Warner Bros. Discovery seemed convinced that The Flash would be one of the year's biggest box office hits, hence why they hyped it up as being among the "greatest" superhero movies ever made.

Andy Muschietti's DC Comics adaptation was anything but and it bombed during its opening weekend with a $55 million debut (very nearly suffering the same record drop as Morbius during its second weekend in theatres). So, how did it fare during week three? 

Not great. 

Dropping to eighth place, The Flash made only $5 million, a -67% drop from last weekend. That takes its domestic total to $99.2 million and the movie now made only $245.3 million worldwide after three weeks in theaters. This thing is on track to be perhaps the biggest superhero movie box office flop ever released, especially with a rumoured production and marketing budget of over $300 million. 

Still, it's not the only movie to have an unexpectedly bad debut as Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is really struggling. 

While it opened at #1 with $60 million, it's a result that's widely being described as a disaster for Harrison Ford's send-off as the iconic adventurer. The movie earned $130 million globally, but this is less than half of what Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull grossed during its debut in 2008 ($272.1 million). 

In terms of what went wrong, it appears the decision to premiere Dial of Destiny at Cannes was an early blunder on Disney's part. That was the wrong audience to play a movie like this in front of, and those early reviews seemingly killed much of its positive buzz. 

However, audiences also rejected James Mangold's farewell to the character as the movie was awarded a so-so B+ CinemaScore. It seems people didn't want Indy to get the Logan treatment, while the franchise is one that appears to skew older and didn't bring in younger moviegoers who, simply put, have no real relationship with the property. 

It's said this is another movie with a combined $300+ million spent on production and marketing, a sign Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is on track to be a box office flop. Only time will tell whether this has an impact on Mangold helming a Star Wars movie for Disney and Lucasfilm. 

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AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/3/2023, 7:06 AM
The Flash made only $5 million, a -67% drop from last weekend.
rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 7/3/2023, 12:58 PM
@AllsGood - Josh Wilding needs to give it a [frick]ing rest with his childish campaign.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 7/3/2023, 2:31 PM
@rkshuttleworth - Considering the many factors in favor of him posting these updates, my only response to your statement has to be...
BuzzKillington
BuzzKillington - 7/3/2023, 6:34 PM
@rkshuttleworth -

rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 7/4/2023, 5:17 AM
@LongMayHeReign - His insistence in every article to refer to it as a "bomb" is not a mere update. It demonstrates his childish lack of journalistic integrity. He is only a glorified fanboy.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 7/16/2023, 10:56 AM
@rkshuttleworth - And if it was a success and articles about it came at the same pace remarking about it's numbers you probably wouldn't say shit about it so what's the problem? He's calling a spade a spade. The crazy thing is you guys who complain about how bad these articles are but you keep clicking on them. You know Josh ain't gonna listen to you so what's the point?
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 7/3/2023, 7:07 AM
The fastest man alive will be out of theaters in a flash. Anemic grosses. Maybe we should have seen this rejection miles away. Oh well, a new era is upon as already.

Indy 5 feels like it should have come out back in 2018-2019, in the height of legacy finales or something. I don't know if Kennedy will stick around, her work on the OG Indy films is what got her some cred over at Lucasfilm, but this is a far cry.

In other news, Spider-Verse has made over $600M worldwide, heading to $700M.
iceballsreborn
iceballsreborn - 7/3/2023, 7:44 AM
@WakandanQueen - she hung out with Spiedlberg and was more a very proactive PA, who moved her way into producer.

Flash failed due to execution and Miller being jsut a weak/ unremarkeable/ unliked lead. Keaton is 30 years removed from Batman. I think he WAS the GOAT, but looks ridiculous in the cowl at 70.

But Indy? seriously that was enver going to work.. an adventuring arhcelogist who is 80? like if they had tried the Shia route but truly passing the torch that could have worked, but young fans dont care.. and neither do the old one.
Taonrey
Taonrey - 7/3/2023, 8:09 AM
@iceballsreborn - Indy should've been like creed with Indy being the mentor and get a popular actor for the lead. Too late now l
iceballsreborn
iceballsreborn - 7/3/2023, 8:29 AM
@Taonrey - yep. mentor maybe would have worked better than son. shouldve gone with Hemsworth. hes about fords age when he started doing Indy
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 7/3/2023, 7:07 AM
I liked Indy well enough

It was disposable summer popcorn with good performances by Ford, Mads, and yes, Waller-Bridge

Did it break new ground…no but, as someone who finds Mangold ridiculously overrated, I thought this movie actually worked because the characters connect and the pacing is fairly tight.

I have to believe that the B.O. is related to the absence of Spielberg and Lucas couple w some of the more one-sided tilt on Waller-Bridge but, overall a decent enough flick
JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 7/3/2023, 7:29 AM
@SauronthePower - I liked the movie enough but I felt it was too long and we got too involved in the set up before we got rolling to the forward momentum of the main story. Once it got going in the 2nd half it was a lot of fun.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/3/2023, 7:40 AM
@SauronthePower - To be fair, I don't look for sequels to "break new ground". That's what the first installment is supposed to do. The sequels should just build on that.

For example, I don't want to watch an Indiana Jones film for anything other than it to feel like a new Indiana Jones story. Same can be said for any film series, really.

Sure you can amp up the size of the threat and do some other things, but at the end of the day, sequels should just be new stories of the original film's characters.

But there's also a balance. People don't want to see a movie that feels exactly the same, but they also don't want to see something so different that it doesn't give them the same feelings as the original film. And telling a different story is pretty much how you achieve that, because all the characters should still have their same personality.

Just like the original trilogy. We had the same lovable Indiana Jones in all 3 movies. They were just telling different stories. And the stories were fun and made sense. That's all it takes.
iceballsreborn
iceballsreborn - 7/3/2023, 7:47 AM
@SauronthePower - 80 year old Indy. why. PWB who seems to be making bank for wirting, producing and acting was enver going to draw in anyway.

it could be the exception that proves the rule, but Maverick proved that there is a place for these kind of nostalgia, cheesy but heartful movies.. but 60 year old Tom still runs..
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 7/3/2023, 7:58 AM
@iceballsreborn - I was referring to the fanboys who automatically cancelled PEB before the movie came out because they mistakenly assumed that she was going to be a gender-swapped appropriation of Indy when, in fact, she was quite the opposite

The sectors of the ‘base’ determined to tank the movie before release based all of their pre-judged biases on a false assumption but it no doubt harmed the final product
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 7/3/2023, 7:59 AM
@JonAwesome - thought the opening 20 minutes was very well done but I agree that it slowed in Act 2
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 7/3/2023, 8:00 AM
@CorndogBurglar - cannot dispute any of that but, end of the day, I enjoyed the movie well enough on its own
MG0019
MG0019 - 7/3/2023, 12:41 PM
@iceballsreborn - Tom was also involved as the lead of his movie.

Harrison just sits there. I felt like the movie was happening around him, not to him. Other characters made this discoveries, made the jokes, had invested interest to chase the item. Then camera pans to Indy for his input on the group’s activity & he mumbles something.

The other characters are fine - but I’m there for Indy. He has zero personal reason to chase the item.

Also, it’s hilarious how many car chase scenes there are. By the EIGHTH one I realized it’s probably the easiest way to get Ford to do “action.” Have him sit down.
Mugens
Mugens - 7/3/2023, 1:33 PM
@SauronthePower - I pretty much agree with your overall assessment. As a true finale and send-off for the character I thought it was fine. And the reason why this movie was made is because all involved felt the last movie just didn't hit the mark and they wanted to end Indy on a better note. On that I believe they succeeded.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 7/4/2023, 5:35 PM
@Mugens - this is a very fair and good assessment
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/3/2023, 7:08 AM
I mean people aren’t really checking for Indy in 2023 so not surprised

And maybe hollywood should reconsider every movie being 200 mill budgets
SATW42
SATW42 - 7/3/2023, 7:09 AM
I said it in another thread bjt I’ll just say it here too because I said it on an older post.

Indy was fun but it’s definitely for an older audience. Like 40 and up. I went with my dad and was easily the youngest dude there by like 30 years. I’ll tell you what, the theatre wasn’t sold out but it was full and they applauded at the end lol. I did not applaud but it was definitely better than crystal skull.

Anyway, my overall point here is I don’t think there’s anything wrong with making a movie for an older audience. The mistake Disney made was spending 300 million dollars to make the dang thing.

I feel like people forget, even crystal skull came out in 2008. 15 years ago! The franchise has also done nothing to try and appeal to younger audiences. I show them to my kids and they love them, but unlike Star Wars, they wouldn’t know this existed if I didn’t go out of my way to show them.
iceballsreborn
iceballsreborn - 7/3/2023, 7:49 AM
@SATW42 - older audiences cant be bothered to see movies. the majority of them have outings which work for the whole family. its a super tough demo to sell a movie too.
Reginator
Reginator - 7/3/2023, 7:52 AM
@SATW42 - Mutt was the attempt in crystal skull to pull on younger viewers. The movie sucked and I read they killed off the character (due to the actor being mentally unstable?). The attempt was made and failed.
Cap1
Cap1 - 7/3/2023, 7:12 AM
Man, it’d be hilarious if yet another director departs a SW project. Surely some questions have to be asked of the LucasFilm hierarchy? They can’t keep getting away with this!
Origame
Origame - 7/3/2023, 7:39 AM
@Cap1 - Kennedy has to have massive dirt on someone in disney. That's the only way I can rationalize her staying as president.
Taonrey
Taonrey - 7/3/2023, 8:13 AM
@Cap1 - they need to stop hiring based on popularity and hire based on who fits their projects. Taika screams creative differences and Mangold movie is a dumb idea anyways
TempleRod
TempleRod - 7/3/2023, 7:13 AM
LOL Indiana Jones is a total wreck for Disney.
Imagine losing money while at the same time basically putting a treasured franchise in the coffin.

At least The Flash is still finding it's true audience, and the reception has been great in real boots on the ground honest to god moviegoers. Indiana Jones, in comparison, just face planted and isn't going anywhere.
LOL. Sad movie. Sad end to Harrison Ford's career.
Until we see the next Disney installment Falcon movie. that tarnishes it even more.

SO PAHETIC.
Cap1
Cap1 - 7/3/2023, 7:16 AM
@TempleRod - ‘boots on the ground honest to god movie lovers’ lmao you have to be trolling at this point
Moriakum
Moriakum - 7/3/2023, 7:20 AM
@TempleRod - “At least The Flash is still finding it's true audience, and the reception has been great in real boots on the ground honest to god moviegoers.”

You are either trolling or you’re so delusional it’s kinda sad.
TempleRod
TempleRod - 7/3/2023, 7:22 AM
@Cap1 - No. I just know from my own REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE. That Many people at my work, WHO WERE INITIALLY turned off from The Flash due to the whole smear campaign and hate machine against it.

RECENTLY, have been approaching me to tell me they say the movie, AND THAT THEY LOVED IT.
And were surprised at how negative the critics were about it all. AND then they tell me, 'you know what? You were right about this movie. I enjoyed it, my family enjoyed it. It didn't deserve this hate.'

I have had this conversation with numerous people in my life. All of them coming back to tell me they actually liked the movie.
That is reality on the ground out here.
Cap1
Cap1 - 7/3/2023, 7:25 AM
@TempleRod - if the company you keep is a reflection of you then I can believe it
TempleRod
TempleRod - 7/3/2023, 7:28 AM
You guys live in this little ECHO MACHINE BUBBLE of a site.
Everything is geared to keep feeding your own prejudices. Take a walk outside and SEE.
Normal people actually LOVE this movie. The reasons why box office are suffering, there's many reasons to that. I am simply talking about whether the movie is good or not,
and whether people around me are responding well to it.

You know... reality.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 7/3/2023, 7:35 AM
@TempleRod - Both of these films will lose hundreds of millions of dollars...
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/3/2023, 8:37 AM
@TempleRod - David Zaslav is that you?
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