The Flash: Various End of Season Thoughts and Speculations

The Flash: Various End of Season Thoughts and Speculations

In this post I will be citing observations that I find significant, and thought I have that I do not think should qualify as "theories" just yet. As more evidence is attained for any of the "sub-theories" below, they will be placed accordingly in the write-ups that they fit into, but again only when I see them as non-contestable theories, this is more of an open thought/discussion forum.

Editorial Opinion
By TheRockmore - Mar 22, 2015 06:03 PM EST
Filed Under: The Flash

To see more of my fully fleshed out theories click:

CW's Reverse Flash Explained - CW's Cobalt Blue Explained - Has Flashpoint Already Occured?
 


Explaining the Colors:

By this point I would hope everyone realizes my theories  (or in this case "sub-theories") are always based in comic book fact, nothing more, nothing less. So here I will do a short analysis and speculation as to what happened the night Barry was struck, and what happened the Nora Allen died as there seems to be some controversy and confusion around what happened.

To properly explain the two, I first need to clarify who looks like what when they are running.

Barry as The Flash - Wears a RED costume - therefore when he isn't running at speeds enough to travel time, the blur left behind him is RED, and the lightning left behind him is YELLOW. This is why when he is running without his suit, what is left in his wake is YELLOW lightning. 
So, Barry going "slow" = RED Blur, YELLOW Lightning
Barry going "fast" = No Blur, MORE YELLOW Lightning

on the other hand we have...

Eobard/Wells as The Reverse Flash - Wears a YELLOW costume - therefore when he isn't running at speeds enough to travel time, the blur left behind him is YELLOW, and the lightning left behind him is RED. This is why when he is running without his suit, what is left in his wake is RED lightning. 

So, Eobard going "slow" = YELLOW Blur, RED Lightning
Eobard going "fast" = No Blur, MORE RED Lightning

*When I say "slow" and "fast" I mean typical running speed for a speedster vs. the speed needed to travel time*

Also note that this tactic was used in S01E06 "The Flash is Born" to perpetuate the hidden identity of the Reverse Flash

The different colors of lightning signify a connection to the "POSITIVE" (Barry) and "NEGATIVE" (Eobard) Speed Force(s)

The Night Nora Allen Died:

Excuse the small text, I have yet to find out how to embed a slideshow into a CBM article, that being said the images tell the story pretty clearly in this instance and those that follow!

Now, something that was glossed over amidst all of the reveals in Episode 1x15, "Out of Time", was the revelation that in this version of events BARRY not NORA was the intended target of Well's/Eobard's attack. Whereas in the comics Nora was Eobard's intended target, he killed her simply to further ruins Barry's life, and he did so in a series of other ways as well. Pushing Barry down the stairs, killing/hurting Barry's dog, etc



This minor change, along with actually having both Barry AND his father AT the scene of the crime, while its happening does raise some questions, once I will adress throughout this post in various areas. The questions include: What does this mean for Flashpoint? , Why does Eobard think he can kill Barry?, What Happened AFTER Nora's Murder, and some other minor tidbits scattered throughout this post.

Now, onto the scene itself...



Ah, the floating water, what does it mean? Well it seems to clearly symbolize the presence of a speedster, or the effects a speedster may have on the objects around him, hence the wine floating after the particle accelerator is turned on.

Also note the color of Barry's two lights, hardly a coincidence



Now at first glance looking at the slideshow to the left one may think the red = The Flash since his suit is well... red and yellow = The Reverse Flash because his suit is yellow. 

But...this is one of the few scenarios (you can see up close in the next slideshow) that the two of them are moving so fast, that the colors of their costumes are not distinct unless the camera/person is focused directly on their body.



The slideshow to the right further explains the color concept given above, Wells/Eobard is moving so fast at this point, that there is no blur left by his costume, only the very sharp (in comparison to Barry or Wells running now) yellow outline of his costume, and then the red lightning he leaves behind. 

Later flashbacks to this scene give the Reverse Flash's eyes a little red glow to keep with the design change they made, but these screen grabs are from the leaked pilot.



Ah the scene that may take fans hopes for Flashpoint and toss them out the window...I for one think Flashpoint should be written "already occurred" and use that  as a work around so the event doesn't have to be tackled...there are other flaws with Flashpoint occurring which I wrote about here.

But this scene in particular is VERY telling...Barry...who is running at his full speed manages to get himself out of the house...but barely. 

In the comics..Nora is the target...and Barry does NOT have to save his younger self...in this world...he has to chose...if he saves his mom...then his younger self  and technically himself (older) also die...and therefore....still no Flashpoint.

Theoretically the argument could be made of "Barry could go faster"...but he barely saved himself the first time...and was facing a Reverse Flash (Wells/Eobard) that was just as fast as him. Even so...he would need to save, himself, his mom, and his dad (unless he wants him to die).

I find it cool that the first photo almost looks like a hand (his own hand...) is on young Barry's shoulder.

Now, onto the biggest question's raised:

 What does this mean for Flashpoint? - Seeing as Flashpoint being tackled is much easier said then done I would assume this serves as a work around from the storyline....rather than Barry's actions changing the WORLD... he himself would simply die.... therefore creating an enormous paradox in the space time continuum.



Why does Eobard think he can kill Barry? - This question and the one that follow are debatably the MOST important questions that we as fans need the answers to. Eobard Thawne, despite HATING Barry Allen...knows that if he were to kill Barry...then he himself would cease to exist....this rasies the question WHY does Eobard think he can kill Barry? Does this version of Eobard exist OUTSIDE of the timeline?... This did happen one time in the entire history of comics...and funnily enough...it was DURING Flashpoint that this occurred. (In the photo above Eobard tells Barry he was INSIDE of the timestream when Barry changed the timeline, therefore he was left uneffected.)



The only other answer I have found is (see image above  that maybe they modified Eobard's power to change time...to include changing Barry's existence)  Although that would truly take away something HUGE these two share in the comics...they are both rivals...but Eobard is stuck...because he is destined to become the Flash's rival...and yet he cannot kill the Flash.

What Happened AFTER Nora's Murder
- This is something the show has carefully evaded and it leaves us fans with questions...such as How does Eobard end up losing his speed? One theory I have seen around the web is the "Eobard and Barry merged into one being theory" The thought that future Barry was somehow absorbed into Wells is quite ludicrous in my own opinion as it really hasn't been suggested in the slightest, and would imply that the show had taken large liberties in merging the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline and Flashpoint and made it so that Barry's disappearance at the end of Crisis that stopped the entire event was actually due to him chasing Eobard and then merging with him? It just seems super convoluted in my own opinion, and it would imply that Barry's famous action of becoming the lightning bolt that struck himself (which is still viable despite the particle accelerator coming into play...I'll explain this in a second), did not happen. We also know for a FACT that Barry was not "merged" with the RF when he saved himself (as a kid)...but again we do not know what happened AFTER Nora was killed...we see Barry run down the road by his future self, and then we he returns we see cops at his house, so clearly some time has passed. The ONLY reason I even mention this is because according to executive producers there is still a "big twist" in Wells/Eobard's future on the show that we have yet to see....but I highly doubt this would be it.

The second and more likely option in my own opinion is that Barry used another one of his powers (the show has been VERY good at expressing that he can do more than just run), so him using his power to absorb speed, and leave Wells stuck (like Magneto at the end of X-Men 3, thought to be depowered) may be Barry's form of punishing him without killing him, or the absorption may have been accidental.  Below is Barry's exact power:
  • Steal Speed: Speed Force conduits can steal the accelerated motion or momentum from objects or people to reduce their speed or even virtually stop them. Conduits may also steal the speed from other Speedsters or other fast moving people.

I would assume that after this, Barry returns to the future and perishes in the Crisis of 2024, only to come back and be the lightning that stuck himself (see below).

The Night Barry Was Struck



Ah, the floating chemicals once again...some have suggested that these chemicals float in the presence of a speedster, which I agree with, but not in the same way they do. Numerous people around the web believe the floating chemicals is a sign of the fact that Wells/Eobard is present when Barry gets stuck, to either stop it, or to make sure it happens.

At one point in the comics, as is mentioned in The Flash: Rebirth Eobard DID try to stop Barry from being struck and allow himself to become the Flash, BUT he soon fades away before he gets the chance because time dictates Barry MUST become the Flash for him to become the Reverse Flash.

However, my own theory is that this is exactly how Crisis of Infinite Earth's ends...Barry becomes the lightning that stuck himself....the chemicals float...because Barry himself (older self that is) is there. Even with the addition of the particle accelerator to Barry's origin, the lightning bolt theory is still feasible. We know that the accelerator opened portals and allowed all kinds of "dark matter and x-elements" into the world, so would it stop one lightning bolt made of PURE speed force energy?..If your a little confused...here is a quotation that may clear things up.

However, after only a few weeks of happiness, the Crisis on Infinite Earths intervenes, and Allen is captured by the Anti-Monitor and brought to 1985; according to the Anti-Monitor, the Flash was the only being capable of travelling to other universes at will, so the Anti-Monitor could not allow him to stay free. Allen escapes and foils the Anti-Monitor's plan to destroy the Earth with an anti-matter cannon, creating a speed vortex to draw the power in, but dies in the process as the power becomes too much for his body.It has been said that Allen travels back through time and becomes the very same lightning bolt that gives him his powers, but later it is also strongly implied that the soul of Barry resides in the Speed Force, the mystical source and Valhalla open to all dead speedsters, and from which the living ones draw their amazing powers. After Allen's death, Wally West, his nephew and sidekick (known as Kid Flash), takes up the mantle of the Flash.



Now if we jump back to the scene, take note right away of the color of the lightning that strikes Barry...yellow...typically lightning traveling through open air emits white light...unless its your super-charged speed force enhanced self from the future that is...

Now as the scene continues (see slides 3-5) we can see something else, something I myself had to watch the scene a few times to notice...the dissipation of a mysterious red blur...not red lightning...but a red blur...so I wonder .... could this be confirmation that in this continuity Barry did indeed strike himself?

If the stills don't help the clip is below played at half speed.




Additionally this quote seemed to add a nice nod to what was mentioned above...it kind of bothers me when people take things at face value for the purpose solely to insult them, this quote, is one of those things. Since the extended trailers release people have complained (not all but some), that this line is just "bad CW writing" and it "comes off as corny"... but if we delve quickly into the history of the Flash  as we have been, then we see that it may not be that at all. This is just the kind of storyline easter egg that Marc Guggenheim and Greg Berlanti would throw in.

The Suit

Now since the beginning of the season many fans have been clamoring for Barry to get a suit upgrade, which he has had...although minor and unmentioned...but fans (myself included) still want the Scarlet Speedster to actually WEAR scarlet. Amidst the clamoring for a suit upgrade is the hope that Barry will get his "ring suit" or the suit that comes out of the ring...this hope was re-ignited when fans saw the ring on Eobard's finger with clasps on it...something that has yet to be explained...is it possible that the suit we are seeing is simply a modified version of the current Flash suit? and Eobard's ring no longer works? Seeing as we have yet to see how Barry and Eobard looked the night of Nora's murder...I would be inclined to think the suit Eobard is currently wearing isn't the suit he wore that night.
However, back to Barry, we know for a fact that sometime between 2014 and 2024 Barry gets a VERY right off the page comic book suit, as he is seen wearing it when he "disappears" in 2024. Again, this ignited (or keeps burning) the fan need for the "ring suit". 

Although I wouldn't (at all) have issue with Barry getting his famous "ring suit", I would be just as happy if he learned to use this simple trick Wally taught him in The Flash: Rebirth, which is already where the Flash draws a lot of its source material from.

Just like that Wally is able to pull his costume (and everyone else) from the Speed Force, no long does anyone need to store it anywhere...as it is always with them. Again, I wouldn't mind seeing the ring, but I do feel the CGI needed for the ring is a little over the top and a waste of money:

Speed Force Suit - Would only require the CGI given like when he *SPOILER* revealed himself to Iris...a little spin and tada

vs.

Ring Suit - They could use the same concept...but everyone who REALLY wants the ring...also wants to see him change into this compressed costume...otherwise its just a ring...so they would need to shoot a scene (a few times) of him changing into this CGI suit at super speed.


Seasons End

Many fans seem to speculate that the season could end with Barry creating an alternate Flashpoint reality when he goes back and attempts to save his mother, I have given my thoughts on this both here in this article and here. I for one think that it would be much more likely that if Barry was to travel anywhere in time it would be forwards to chase Wells (who is successful). This allows even more storylines to be set up for future seasons such as Bart Allen's birth in the future or even a suit upgrade from the future (although I'm sure Cisco will end up having a hand in that)

Also you can give Barry a lot to speak of in a short amount of time, he could disappear into the future and be gone to Cisco and Caitlin for 5 minutes but return after a years worth of time in the future. 

Mind you they could always introduce a younger (not Eddie) version of Eobard this season OR they could introduce Eobard's ability to shift shapes (see image #2) and make that the cause for age difference, but overall it would just convolute the storyline.



My own issue with Barry and Wells traveling back to "save" Nora...which again I feel like Barry may wise up and realize he would be killing himself (literally) as this is the time paradox it would create. (See image to above)

When the show begins it seems as if (again it SEEMS)-We are given an older Barry, who travels while fighting with a younger Eobard. Older Barry then saves himself...and younger Eobard loses most of his speed.

If Barry travels back at the end of the season to the same night-We are given a Mid-20's Barry, who travels while fighting with an older Eobard who has already experienced this fight. Mid-20's Barry then saves himself...and older Eobard...disappears into the future?

They could theoretically travel back in time and meet themselves...and Barry theoretically could save his mother that way. So the scene would include: Older Barry, Mid 20's Barry, and Young Barry AND Young Eobard and Older Eobard.

OR Barry won't pursue Eobard once he leaves this timeline.



Despite Barry actually snapping Eobard's neck (he later returned) in the comics...I don't see the show going that route.... at least not this season. The version of Barry that snaps Eobard's neck is also a version of Barry who has been tormented for YEARS by Eobard Thawne...the Barry on the show still doesn't know how much of an effect Thawne/Wells has had on his life...heck he doesn't even know they are the same person yet. I see Eobard returning in later seasons and becoming a reoccurring large scale villain who pops up from time to time. Best part is...although I LOVE Tom Cavnaugh's performance thus far...and despite Eobard typically being drawn as much older then Barry...if he we not to return (Cavanugh) there is an EASY fix to that issue...a failsafe written directly into Eobard Thawne's power set already....he can change his appearance.

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ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 3/22/2015, 7:19 PM
Ahh another Arrorverse theory, let's get on it ;)
ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 3/22/2015, 7:37 PM
Great one once again, I just absolutelly love what Flash is able to bring to TV right now, I'm anticipating every single episode like crazy
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 3/22/2015, 7:40 PM
@AXE hey dude! yea..decided to post a little something on CBM this time! toss it a thumbs up?
ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 3/22/2015, 7:41 PM
Thumbed bud ;)
ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 3/22/2015, 7:41 PM
Also big ups on being right on the money with Thawne
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 3/22/2015, 7:51 PM
@AXE thanks dude! That entire scene was one big checklist of things for me: Hologram(check), Eobard (check), After image (check), making him faster (check), etc. haha
MrJedabak
MrJedabak - 3/22/2015, 8:24 PM
Another great Arrowverse article, very good job.

There is indeed a lot of questions yet to be answered by this series. Really, Out of Time posed more questions than it answered.

Maybe Thawne doesn't realize he will stop existing if he were to kill Barry.

I haven't read your Flashpoint article, but I think there's evidence for Flashpoint to happen. We have seen Barry's decision to go back in time and save his mother. "I won't make the same mistake again."

We don't really know that the Barry that was there the night Nora died was 2024 Barry. I do believe it will end with Barry saving his mom and creating another timeline. Evidence for this is the spin-off show.

They're bringing in Wentworth Miller, Dominic Purcell, Victor Garber and Caity Lotz for this. I think the spin-off will be set in Flashpoint, where Captain Cold and Heatwave are heroes, Martin Stein isn't merged with Ronnie (they did say there was a yet unexplained reason for Robbie Amell not to be cast.), and Oliver Queen died in the ship, while Sara is still alive.

It would be very hard to make an accurate adaptation of the comics storyline, but I think they're doing what Marvel is doing with Civil War, scale the event down because their universe just isn't big enough. Wouldn't it be a huge copout to claim Flashpoint already happened offscreen?

So, at the end of the season, I feel Barry will go back in time, fight Wells, find his other future self, and save Nora. Maybe he even accidentally lets kid Barry be killed by young Eobard, preventing his own existence as well as older Eobard's. Or maybe older Eobard has to stop himself from trying to kill kid Barry because he realizes if he does he will basically destroy himself.

Who really knows.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 3/22/2015, 8:51 PM
@MrJedabak

I personally just feel that having a spinoff set in a Flashpoint world, where Arrow and the Flash aren't characters...despite it being their spinoff just seems strange. Plus we have yet to hear confirmation as to the shows structure..Sara has been resurrected like 3-4 times...so (this is just my own thought) if the show was actually a few mini series strung together:

1 Atom Ep, 1 Firestorm Ep, 1 Sara/league Flashback, 1 Rogues, 1 Atom Ep, 1 Firestorm Ep, 1 Sara/league Flashback, 1 Rogues, etc

You can give each character a nice little story arch and have mini crossovers within each episode.

___

My issue with Flashpoint is:
-This change is un-needed (to the origin), Flashpoint is WAY to big to adapt to a TV show...if you adapt Flashpoint on the Flash...and you don't change Arrow/the spinoff it looks weird...but if you do adapt it to all 3...then people are required to watch all 3 shows. And I know plenty of people who only watch the Flash, or only watch Arrow and don't want to watch the others. Note even the MCU doesn't carry over HUGE plot points because it would demand everyone watch every movie...yes we have infinity stones in almost every movie...but they haven't even been called infinity stones yet...because that will most likely occur in Infinity War part 1.

-Also if it were to be the spinoff show (a FP universe) then that would mean the Flash needed to run 14 episodes in a FP universe because the spinoff doesn't begin until midseason next year.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 3/22/2015, 8:51 PM
@MrJedabak Oh and thanks!
staypuffed
staypuffed - 3/23/2015, 2:21 AM
This is absolutely fascinating. I'm loving a lot of the Flash theories at the moment, and I think what you've discussed has a great amount of depth and creates heaps of interest from me. Thumbs up!
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 3/23/2015, 5:02 AM
@ManCalledSting Not sure if you caught a glimpse at the PaleyFest SizzleReel, but he is featured emerging from what looks to be a pod in the particle accelerator
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 3/23/2015, 9:26 AM
@ManCalledSting - http://www.thearrowverse.com/the-flash-paleyfest-sizzle-reel-analysis.html

Check the slideshow its one of the last few slides
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 3/23/2015, 3:11 PM
Great article.
If the Eobard that killed Barry's mother is the same Eobard that will someday travel back in time to kill Barry's mother, does the whole plot of the first season take place in time loop? And if so, how many times has this loop occurred? How many times has the same Eobard Thawne traveled back in time to kill different versions of Barry Allen?

Crazy stuff, but I love it.
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