VFX Artists Break Down THE FLASH's Divisive Cameos: "[It's] POLAR EXPRESS Superman"

VFX Artists Break Down THE FLASH's Divisive Cameos: "[It's] POLAR EXPRESS Superman"

The Flash's cameos were meant to be a celebration of the DC Universe. Instead, they've become the subject of ridicule and a group of VFX artists have weighed in on how the ball was dropped with Superman.

By JoshWilding - Sep 05, 2023 06:09 AM EST
Filed Under: The Flash

Since it was released at the beginning of June, The Flash has primarily dominated headlines due to its dismal box office performance. Those Speed Force cameos have also been widely derided, with the majority criticising the inclusion of odd-looking CG actors (some of whom passed away several years ago). 

While the video game-esque Superman played by Nicolas Cage was arguably the best of a bad bunch, the rest looked like waxwork dummies, including Christopher Reeves' Man of Steel, Adam West's Batman, and even a weirdly anonymous Jay Garrick Flash. 

Other elements of the "Chronobowl" sequence also came under fire, and while those involved with The Flash later claimed they were supposed to look stylised and cartoonish, it's hard to buy that when the end result is so terrible. 

VFX artists from Corridor Crew have shared their thoughts on the work done by the movie's team, sharing their belief they must have been working under incredibly tight deadlines given how bad the final product looks. 

Describing Henry Cavill's CG cameo as "Polar Express Superman," they go on to say, "We know Henry Cavill. We know what he looks like. The rest of [Henry Cavill’s] body seems fine, but then his eyes have no life."

As for Cage and Reeve's respective cameos, the group adds: "Honestly, I think they’re working against themselves a bit with the cinematography. Because when you see the first Nic Cage [shot], it’s like, 'OK, cool, that looks like Nic Cage.' But then the camera orbits around them, and you get the full view, and you’re like, 'Oh, wait, this is a 3D model.'"

"If they would have left it at [the first shot of Nic Cage], it almost works. [The shot with his eyes glowing] looks perfect. I’m down; I’m sold. And then...uh oh. Got the uncanny eyes. Same thing with the Christopher Reeve thing, too. It looks great at first, then it starts spinning around them."

It's widely believed DC Studios and James Gunn added these cameos to the movie's final act (George Clooney and Barry's missing tooth were definitely the Superman: Legacy helmer's idea). Seeing as the studio was only formed in January...well, it explains why the VFX was so bad. 

Worlds collide in The Flash when Barry uses his superpowers to travel back in time in order to change the events of the past. But when his attempt to save his family inadvertently alters the future, Barry becomes trapped in a reality in which General Zod has returned, threatening annihilation, and there are no Super Heroes to turn to.

That is, unless Barry can coax a very different Batman out of retirement and rescue an imprisoned Kryptonian...albeit not the one he's looking for. Ultimately, to save the world that he is in and return to the future that he knows, Barry's only hope is to race for his life. But will making the ultimate sacrifice be enough to reset the universe?

The movie stars Ezra Miller, Sasha Calle, Michael Shannon, Ron Livingston, Maribel Verdu, Kiersey Clemons, Antje Traue, and Michael Keaton.

The Flash is now streaming on Max.

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CoHost
CoHost - 9/5/2023, 6:47 AM
Ezra Miller,
The Franchise Killer

Piece of S---
And the BO takes a hit

A career that needs to die
While the executives cry

A pile of crap
And there's nothing left to tap

I hate this friggin' movie
I'd rather smoke a doobie
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 9/5/2023, 6:48 AM
@CoHost - You seem to have bigger problems than this movie if it effects you like that.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/5/2023, 8:12 AM
@CoHost -

MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 9/5/2023, 6:47 AM
Disagree with you, Wilding (that never happens around here...); I thought the Christopher Reeve cameo looked fine, the Nic Cage looked well more wonky.
NicolausCopernicus
NicolausCopernicus - 9/5/2023, 11:41 AM
@MosquitoFarmer - Its the artificial and mathematically perfect camera movements that ruins them, for me
Forthas
Forthas - 9/5/2023, 6:58 AM
I recently got a chance to see this ovie and it was worse than I thought. No one was spared the bad CGI. Afflecks Batman never looked worse in a bat suit based on what he was wearing? Did they make him put that suit on to humiliate him?
RedFury
RedFury - 9/5/2023, 7:07 AM
Its sad that we're all so focused on the CGI these days... sure it would be great if it was perfect, but does it really matter that it isn't? For the majority of the existence of film, CGI and VFX hasn't looked real. So why do we all of a sudden care so much if it's a little off?

Probably because we live in the age where people complain about literally everything. If you can watch a super hero film with people flying around and running faster than the speed of light, you should be able to suspend a little bit of disbelief and get over some bad CGI as well. Let your imagination fill in the gaps.
elgaz
elgaz - 9/5/2023, 7:14 AM
@RedFury - Yeah................. that's not gonna work.

Laser beams, fine. Explosions, fine. CGI spaceships, fine. Superspeed effects, fine. However - as soon as you start applying CGI to humanoid creatures (and specifically humans), then the bar is raised substantially. If they don't look real, it completely removes any sense of danger, tension or reality in a scene, even in a *sci-fi* movie. It completely takes the viewer out of it. Does it affect animated movies? No, because they're 100% computer generated. In a live action film though with other real humans onscreen, it is hugely detrimental and has a very negative impact on how immersive the film experience is. And the less immersive it is, and the more crappy the effects are, the worse the reviews.

Just saying to viewers to suspend their disbelief is not going to cut it. Marvel did an amazing job with Thanos 5 years ago and made it seem like he really was a living, breathing 8ft tall alien - there's no excuse for DC not even able to making 2 Ezra Millers on screen simultaneously look real.
RedFury
RedFury - 9/5/2023, 7:44 AM
@elgaz - I will respectfully have to disagree with you. While I don't discount the merit of creating a lifelike CGI character that fits seamlessly into the real world, I don't think it should have the detrimental effects to a film if it isn't perfect like a lot of folks seem to think it needs to be. I agree that effects versus humanoid characters should be viewed in a different light, but I don't agree that it breaks the immersion like you suggest (at least not for me). Again we all know it's fake, we know Christopher reeves is dead, and Nic Cage is an old man. So when we see a younger version of them on screen automatically you know it isn't real right? So when you're disappointed by the fact that this character who isn't real, doesn't look real, I feel like we're getting into a realm of silly semantics. If this was a film by Scorcesse, sure I might see reason for more scrutiny since it would stand out an insane amount being that there isnt much CGI in such a film. But this is The Flash. The majority of films in this genre are shot on green screen, we all know this. So I think there is a natural sense of suspension of disbelief just going into one of these films. The scrutiny should be about the plot, acting, score, etc. But the CGI? I think it's getting a little redundant to be angry about it in such a setting.

I'll end by saying you have good points that I won't discount. You're not wrong. I just don't see why we put so much emphasis on these things all of a sudden when we have years and years of films with subpar CGI that we love to death. Sure the standard has changed because CGI is getting better every day, but are we going to pretend that the bad CGI in older films ruined those movies for us too? Because they certainly didn't, we just understood that it's fake and we got on with our lives. So what's changed? Have our imaginations really taken that much of a nosedive that we can't look past it anymore?
RedFury
RedFury - 9/5/2023, 8:08 AM
@RedFury - I'll bookend my point by posing a question.

Did Gollum ruin LOTR?

Because he sure as hell didn't ruin it for me, and he's certainly not photo realistic.
elgaz
elgaz - 9/5/2023, 9:09 AM
@RedFury - They are all valid points you make. However, I think there are 2 important things to note - 1) the audience expectations nowadays are that we are going to get, at a bare minimum, DECENT cgi, if not amazing. Computer technology, visual tools and rendering tools have moved on massively and even Youtubers can now create realistic looking fx. I'm sure we'll all seen some of the insane Deepfake work on Youtube where it's difficult to tell apart the real person and the computer created one. This makes it all the more infuriating when filmmakers make slightly controversial decisions to insert the likes of a past icon such as Christopher Reeve or even a still living one like Nicholas Cage into their movie as Superman, but end up with plasticine-esque versions which look just as ridiculous as The Rock's VFX persona in the Scorpion King back in 2002.

Point 2) - Films in years gone by were also viewed on less powerful displays, so you could get away with a whole lot more. Nowadays, HD is the default minimum for most viewers and full 4K is often the choice, so you have really nowhere to hide if your VFX aren't up to par. We may just agree to disagree on this point but personally, bad VFX take me out of the experience and it's nothing to do with lack of imagination. Movies are visual things and if the visuals fall short, the onus is on the filmmaker to remedy it - not the audience to fix it with their imagination.

I put just as much emphasis on other parts of the filmmaking process. A poor score, bad casting, ridiculous script, cheesy acting, etc - they all contribute negatively to a film. The difference is when it comes to a superhero or sci fi film (as opposed to, say a romcom or drama) the emphasis on the VFX is exaggerated to a wild degree to the point that a film can become a laughing stock if they aren't done right. Just look at the theatrical release of Justice League and Cavill's mouth as a prime example.
RedFury
RedFury - 9/5/2023, 9:48 AM
@elgaz - I totally agree that they really should be pumping out better CGI. They have all the resources they could possibly need to make them look astonishingly perfect. It certainly is frustrating to see people outside the studios doing a better job with deepfakes and so on as a hobby than these studios do with millions of dollars. But a lot of that probably comes down to timelines, reshoots, etc. A lame excuse on their part, but true none the less.

The display differences of now versus then is a good point. But even when I go back and watch a 4K remaster of the old films I still don't feel like the CGI takes me out of the experience, even when it is glaringly obvious that it isn't very good. But that's my own personal lense, and I can't expect everyone to feel the same way. I just wish there wasn't such an emphasis on things needing to be photo realistic to be enjoyed. It seems like we're all so hyper focused on the perfection of the CGI now because we've been spoiled by some amazing CGI like Thanos. I just feel like it's a mistake to let ourselves continue on this path of extremely high expectations, when in reality we're going to get both good and bad whether the tech is there or not. And this kind of mindset is going to lead to a lot of disappointment that I feel is unnecessary. Just take it for what it is and try to enjoy the spectacle of it all I guess is what in saying.

Sorry if my replies are missing a few things your talking about, currently buidling a river at work while also trying to have a thought out discussion with you is a tough one lol. I do appreciate your point of view though. It gives me a look inside the mind of someone who has a different opinion of things than I, and I truly do appreciate that.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 9/5/2023, 7:16 AM
I only behind the scenes footage I'd like to see from this movie is Nic Cage in the Superman suit since they apparently shot some of it for real before the CGI.
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 9/5/2023, 7:28 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - they 100% didn’t do that. It’s clearly a model made up from a few of the pre production photos from back in the day
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 9/5/2023, 11:09 AM
@Twenty23Three - So Andy Muschietti lied. Makes sense why James Gunn hired him now. He fits right in.
Moriakum
Moriakum - 9/5/2023, 7:29 AM
This is a really ugly looking movie.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/5/2023, 7:42 AM
Saw this movie on labor day and I was at first horrified by the hospital falling scene. So overdone and weird. But I enjoyed parts of the movie as it went on. Having the two Barry's and batman and supergirl working together felt like a better dynamic than even the justice league movie

It was also a delight seeing wonder woman
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 9/5/2023, 8:10 AM
CC is one of the few channels I subscribe to on YouTube and I love their VFX breakdowns. I agree with them that a lot of the CGI was dodgy. The baby scene. as uncanny as it was, was still fun. Intertwined with that was the Batman chase that although the action was good, Batfleck was CHILLING to watch. So fuccking creepy.

The adrenocrome scenes…? Cyclorama? Chronodome? Those scenes were so bad.

That being said, anything non human related was done well.
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 9/5/2023, 8:22 AM
Yikes, the tooth falling out ending was Gunn’s idea? What a terrible decision to round out the movie with
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 9/5/2023, 8:24 AM
“Seeing as the studio was only formed in January...well, it explains why the VFX was so bad.”

Okay well the movie was worked on for years and they had ample budget and time to not make this movie as hideous as it ended up being. The movie did not start production in January. None of these last minute changes were any better than the original ending.
Alucard28
Alucard28 - 9/5/2023, 5:09 PM
I enjoyed the movie but yes, the VFX were horrible and Ezra just doesn't work as Barry Allen.
hue66
hue66 - 9/5/2023, 6:58 PM
One thing that made no sense to me was flash moving in slow motion but accomplishing incredible speeds. As slow as he was depicted he shouldn't be getting anywhere. Externals had her feet moving rapidly and going the distance as a result.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 9/5/2023, 7:58 PM
"It's not perfect but" is swiftly becoming the capeshit fandom's equivalent to "He's not perfect but I can fix him."

You're in an abusive relationship. Get help.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 9/6/2023, 12:08 AM
Never considered the possibility that even that awkward final shot of Barry's tooth falling were also part of Gunn's directive...no way he even asked for that.

But maybe he did, huh.

On another hand, the few times these VFX artists reacted to Flash CGI was for the TV show and their feedback was quite positive highlighting how the VFX artist of the show always made sure that the lightning of the Speed Force was always reflected on the surfaces with orange color, as well as keeping Flash's shadow at all times. It's interesting how they pay attention to those details.

And yeah, Flash TV is GOAT.
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