THUNDERBOLTS*: Rumored New Details On The Sentry, Val's Sinister Allies, And WEST COAST AVENGERS Plans

THUNDERBOLTS*: Rumored New Details On The Sentry, Val's Sinister Allies, And WEST COAST AVENGERS Plans

We have some rumoured new Thunderbolts* details to share today, including intel on The Sentry, a scrapped cameo, the team's place in the wider MCU, and why the West Coast Avengers will no longer assemble.

By JoshWilding - Oct 08, 2024 08:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Thunderbolts
Source: The Cosmic Circus

While Marvel Studios' Thunderbolts* doesn't necessarily feature a comic-accurate take on the team, we have good reason to believe the movie will end with them reassembling as The Avengers. 

Whether they're the *New Avengers or *Dark Avengers (perhaps somewhere in the middle) remains to be seen. However, with Valentina Allegra de Fontaine pulling their strings, chances are these heroes will somehow be manipulated into unwittingly doing her bidding. 

The Cosmic Circus has shared a few interesting rumours about the movie today, including the fact Rachel Weisz's Melina Vostokoff once had a role. Unfortunately, it seems the Black Widow star was cut early on. 

The site also reveals Yelena Belova will be front in centre in the new superhero team that assembles by the time the credits roll.

Back to Val, and it sounds like she's going to be associated with several other MCU villains; it's strongly hinted that Val, Wilson Fisk, Xu Xialing, and even Sharon Carter could all be working together for reasons which are currently unknown. Might this be the MCU's take on the Dark Illuminati, a.k.a. The Cabal?

As for Thunderbolts*' biggest mystery, The Sentry, he was reportedly "active prior to the events of [this] movie, but whether or not the world forgot about him, no. I think it’s more of a Winter Soldier situation." It's later said that "He will be back."

We also have a minor Vision update: it seems Marvel Studios, at one stage, was planning to assemble the West Coast Avengers. With Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars fast approaching, the idea has been sidelined. Why? Well, with the studio getting back to quality over quantity, there's simply not enough time between now and 2026. 

Marvel Studios, and a crew of indie veterans, who definitely sold out, present Thunderbolts*, an irreverent team-up featuring depressed assassin Yelena Belova alongside the MCU’s least anticipated band of misfits.

Confirmed cast members for Thunderbolts* include Florence Pugh as Yelena Boleva, Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes, David Harbour as Red Guardian, Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent, Hannah John-Kamen as Ghost, Olga Kurylenko as Taskmaster, and Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Valentina Allegra de Fontaine.

Geraldine Viswanathan replaced Ayo Edebiri in an undisclosed role now believed to be Songbird, while Lewis Pullman has taken over as The Sentry following Steve Yeun's unexpected departure from the movie. Both he and Edebiri are said to have left due to scheduling issues.

Written by Eric Pearson, Lee Sung Jin, and Joanna Calo, and directed by Jake Schreier, Thunderbolts* is currently set to be released in theaters on May 5, 2025.

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SATW42
SATW42 - 10/8/2024, 8:44 AM
"The site also reveals Yelena Belova will be front in centre in the team that assembles by the time the credits roll."

I mean, that's how the marketing has been down to the poster literally having her front and center
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/8/2024, 8:45 AM
@SATW42 - yeah

Not exactly a scoop that she’ll be one of if not the lead

The trailer even starts with her and setting up her arc.
Spike101
Spike101 - 10/8/2024, 8:55 AM
@SATW42 - seems like stating the obvious to me as well.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/8/2024, 9:13 AM
Post Endgame, it seemed like there were seeds laid down to set up Young Avengers, West Coast Avengers, and New Avengers. Maybe they should have picked one and actually fleshed it out versus setting all three up poorly.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/8/2024, 9:47 AM
@mountainman - At one point scoopers WERE saying all those were coming PLUS Dark Avengers.

Now I'm guessing even if Thunderbolts start out as a kind of Dark Avengers take it will end merging in with Cap's crew from BNW along with some of the remaining originals to form the New Avengers.

West coast off the board until next sage if ever and Young Avengers formation being continued to be setup only on D+, not in film. IF Young Avengers finaly assemble fully before Secret Wars seems unlikely too but probs aiming to be at a point they can form one team at least in one scene during Secret Wars.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/8/2024, 10:03 AM
@Apophis71 - I understand all the pieces in play. But this saga is 3 years in already. It took 4 years from Iron Man to the Avengers, and there were far fewer projects back then.

It just seems like they could have focused more on setting up one of the teams and given a larger crossover by now.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/8/2024, 10:39 AM
@mountainman - Oh for sure, think two teams max setting up Young as a D+ team and New for films, full stop, is what it is however.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/8/2024, 11:19 AM
@Apophis71 - I’ve never been a big Young Avengers fan in the comics, and most of the ones introduced in the MCU just haven’t been interesting at all to me.

That all being said if they would have made D+ focused on the Young Avengers build up then team up.

I don’t see that team ever doing well on the big screen and the Phase 4 shows seemed to be building to it. Maybe you hold off on doing Moon Knight, She Hulk, Secret Invasion, etc and just make an excuse to team up those young heroes sooner. I don’t know if it would have been good or not, but it would have felt more cohesive at least.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/8/2024, 1:53 PM
@mountainman - Oh I get Young Avengers isn't for all but on a streaming service that would be considered 100% for young kids if not for Marvel, Star Wars and Star there is a logic to a more street level (least not world ending threat level villains) younger version of the team on that which can then have some promoted to the main team.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/8/2024, 2:03 PM
@Apophis71 - I feel like they should market it at kids. A Young Avengers team will never have the broad appeal of a superhero team made up of adults.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/8/2024, 2:16 PM
@mountainman - Agree, and did with Ms. Marvel's show who they then setup to be the one recruiting members.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/8/2024, 9:13 AM
How fortunate for this scooper 😑….

First it was reported that Rachel Weisz’s Melina would be in this along with Laurence Fishburne’s Bill Foster but now it’s said she’s was cut early on without any evidence as of yet that she was even in this in the first place (unless people behind the film actually reveal or debunk it around release time or something).

Anyway , I like the idea of some of those characters being part of the MCU’s Cabal…

I know some had issue with Sharon’s villainous turn in FaTWS and while I understand it felt drastic , it felt like it made sense to an extent aswell and makes the character more interesting for me then she had been before (probably would have been stronger if we were shown it and not told).

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Matchesz
Matchesz - 10/8/2024, 9:35 AM
I dont like the expanded role they gave Sharon as the Power Broker. Feels like it was just done to keep her relevant for the tv show. It just doesnt fit her character and dont want it to be another Skrull situation
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 10/8/2024, 10:20 AM
I really cannot for the life of me understand the current decision making process at Marvel. They have 99.9% of their characters back (assuming their relationship with Sony continues) and yet the chose to continue to recycle the same bland characters over and over again while opting to introduce new fan favorite characters in the most obscure ways possible(one off cameos, using older versions from previous franchises, relying on the Multiverse to introduce ANYONE new)

I’ve always said the Multiverse Saga was a bad idea but tbh it’s been more entertaining than the standard 616 crap they’re putting out. The seem beyond tapped out creatively at this point and have reversed their reputation. It us to be everyone expected their movies to be good/hits and now we expect them to suck and fail at the BO.

What am I missing here? Is it just that Feige is over his head and how’s taking the studio down the wrong path or do they simply just have all of the wrong people in charge and Feige doesn’t have the balls to stand up and say they’re making all of the wrong moves l
Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 10/8/2024, 10:48 AM
@BruceWayng - Agreed. I’m far more interested in what’s next for Wolverine, Deadpool, Spider-man and Venom — meaning multiverse stuff — than I am the grounded 616 MCU fare featuring these scrub replacements. Falcon-Cap, Black Widow 2.0, U.S. Agent… yawn.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 12:01 PM
"Whether or not the world forgot about him, no."

So it's skipping the original concept for The Sentry as well as the original concept for the Thunderbolts. Good to know I guess.

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