Arrow is a Great show...because it used source material that isn't Green Arrow

Arrow is a Great show...because it used source material that isn't Green Arrow

Here are the 5 major ways that Arrow is actually based on other comics...

Editorial Opinion
By Trickwil - Apr 29, 2014 01:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Arrow

I just binge watched Arrow the first season and I was left with this feeling like I'd seen this show before. I'm not a huge DC guy but I read quite a few Green Arrow Green lanterns and I read some stuff from the 70s when Green Arrow got really dark and political. 

But I am a huge Marvel guys specifically Marvel Street level heroes and I'm just getting into Marvel Cosmic. and from watching the first season of Arrow I realized there were a lot of storyline that seemed.....like they came from marvel comics. Now I realize that making a show based on the source material for Green Arrow would be difficult. Really difficult. But what I will show you is that not only is this not related to the source material but is actually based on someone elses comic. Please correct me if it was in a green arrow comic and I didn't realize.


5. John Diggle is Rhodey?

John Diggle is a green arrow comic book character that if I remember has a very small role. This might be more of a situation of the comic copying another comic after the fact but When  did the Arrow need another sidekick? he's got 3-4 partners in the comics to my knowledge. There was the Green Arrow Green lantern team up. There's 2 speedys and there's the Black Canary? So it just seems to me like they added Diggle for character development more and it makes sense. That said, Big Black Military Guy, who's the straight laced advisor and body guard of the rich charismatic playboy? Too much like Rodey and Tony for me.

4. Merlyn the Magician is Norman Osborne?
In the comics Merlyn the Magician is an archer that is older wiser and possibly better than the Green Arrow who becomes jealous and becomes basically the Doc Ock to His Spiderman. he's basically the same character, same power but evil. But in the Show he's Norman Osborne. More on the Spiderman comparisons later but Merlyn in the comics is more like Bullseye, he's a mercenary, he's older and he's evil. In the show he's a wealthy industrialist that runs this massive corporation oh and he has a personal connection to Arrow being Oliver's best friends' dad? Sounds like Norman Osborne....oh also he killed a former love interest (it's ok I knew she'd come back as the black canary it's obvious)

3. DeathStroke and Oliver = Cap and Winter Soldier?
There are a few others like this as well, Mordo and Strange Wolverine and Sabretooth and Iron Fist and Steel Serpent. The Arch nemises used to be best friends with the hero. This is especially rough when they have the same origin story. As you see this is a really common comic book trope but the most famous is Bucky and Cap. Best friends till the end, save eachothers lives all the time. Help train eachother. Cap thinks Bucky is dead....turns out he's a live, has had experiments done on him, kind of evil, and is coming after cap. Now I havent' seen season 2 but how much of this sounds like Deathstroke vs Arrow. And here's how it's a ripoff....it didn't happen in Arrow comics, Deathstroke is a very very popular teen titans villain that has now been way over used to the point where he was ripped off by Marvel to create another really popular character in Deadpool. Deathstroke isn't a major character in Green Arrow, doesn't have the same origin story. So this is a blatant blatant copy to get fans.

2. Huntress is Elektra?
or Catwoman, she could also be Catwoman which is a very similar story line. The issue is Green Arrow didn't really have Huntress and Huntress was never really a love interest of a major hero. Closest is Batman. But the way she's done in the show they might have well changed her name to Elektra Nachios replaced her father with Her fathers assassin and her love with her father. Helena was Oliver's girl while Huntress was Arrows Girl and her fall was exactly like Elektra. She could never go good and was too obsessed with vegeance and they would always be enemies that were really really into eachother.

1.  Tommy likes Laurel Likes Oliver is a lot like Harry likes MJ likes Peter
Which is also exactly like Foggy likes Karen likes Matt from Daredevil. It's a really overly used trope from comics because Stan Lee did it too many times. He admitted that the X-men was the same as Fantastic 4 and that Daredevil was the same as Spiderman because he was writing too many comics and couldn't keep track. That said though this never happened in Green Arrow. So even though it's old it wasn't Green Arrow. 


In conclusion I like Arrow because it's not about Green Arrow. It's a show that's more like Spiderman and Daredevil than the Green Arrow and because of that it's much better television.

Let me know if I made any mistakes.
 
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Pasto
Pasto - 4/29/2014, 2:02 PM
Reaching.
kong
kong - 4/29/2014, 2:05 PM
And............................who gives a crap?

All of these things that they "ripped off" are common themes throughout all storytelling and have been for a long time.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/29/2014, 2:15 PM
We're talking about a show based on one comic that barely uses that comic's source material and instead uses pretty famous ones from other comics. Like the Tommy Merlyn, Laurel, Oliver thing is [frick]ing spiderman.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 4/29/2014, 2:28 PM
5 Diggle might have a few similarities but no way was the character based on Rhodey. Completely different characters and the dynamic is also very different. The creators decided to give him a sidekick but couldn't do Speedy yet so they gave him a body guard (which might've been inspired by Kato and Green Hornet). They needed him to be able to fight so they made him a former soldier. That's something that a writer can come up with easly. He wasn't a character from the comics either.
4 Yeah that one's accurate.
3 Just like Diggle, hell to the no. They decided to put him on the island as allies and eventually figured out that they wanted him in the city and that it would be trubling if Ollie knew that he was alive so they came up with that plot. Nothing genius about it.
2 I see the resemblance but I don't think so. I think that they were inspired by Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises and decided for him to meet a female vigilante so they chose Huntress because she had a similar gimmick with the crossbow. Her origin is like the comics and they came up with the fiance to make it romantic or whatever. Her fall was just something that naturally came. It's just a coincidence.
1 You're totally forcing this. That wasn't based at all on either of those things.
This article is stupid. Everything that you've said is either stupid or really obvious in the case of Merlyn. Write something much better next time.
DeathstrokeTerminator
DeathstrokeTerminator - 4/29/2014, 2:32 PM
You're going too far saying it "ripped off" others. So did Stan rip off Batman when he created Iron Man?...Did Marvel rip off the Justice League when they created their own team, the Avengers?
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/29/2014, 2:33 PM
Diggle is in Volume 5 number 24. That's according to Wikipedia. The rest you didn't give me a reason I was wrong said well this article is stupid....like You say um the writers were thinking this. But yet there are so many obvious plots that are straight out of other comics. NOT THE GREEN ARROW. I'm not saying it's wrong it's a good show but it has taken way more from other comics than the green arrow, IT's more like a Spiderman show than a Green arrow show,
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/29/2014, 2:33 PM
@Deathstroke-Iron Man and Batman were actually written using federal funds in a huge propaganda anti communist campaign.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 4/29/2014, 2:39 PM
trickwil- have you got proof of that out of curiosity?
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 4/29/2014, 2:41 PM
A lot of this is reaching. Saying Diggle is Rhodey is like saying Falcon is Rhodey.

The relationship between Slade and Olly is drastically different from Cap and Bucky, by the sole fact that Slade is in control of his actions. That alone is enough separation.
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 4/29/2014, 2:44 PM
Ha, you're literally too stupid to insult.
DeathstrokeTerminator
DeathstrokeTerminator - 4/29/2014, 2:44 PM
@Trickwil
You should watch this and see who rips-off who.

gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 4/29/2014, 2:44 PM
You are also ignoring how much comes from Green Arrow comics. This is practically the definition of an experimenter bias.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/29/2014, 2:52 PM
gamecreatorjj-All I'm getting as someone that has only read a few Green Arrow comics are names. Like everything else is not the same as the comic. Roy harper wasn't a street Kid. Speedy was a prostitute. Almost nothing is the same as the Green Arrow Comic but the names. Oh and something to do with an island.
themidnightking
themidnightking - 4/29/2014, 3:00 PM
Aquaman is a rip-off of Namor
r3negade
r3negade - 4/29/2014, 3:24 PM
Bumblebee is a ripoff of Wasp, Ant-Man is a ripoff of Atom... Everything is a ripoff these days. Should we really be surprised by this?
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 4/29/2014, 3:34 PM
@trickwill if you look at things as 1 dimensional as that, then you won't come up with similarities. You have to look at how the characters act and interact with the characters around them. Roy is very much Roy from the comics, in personality, and that is what's important.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/29/2014, 3:46 PM
There a big difference between common tropes and ripping something off.Love triangles,mentor/friends becomes enemies,etc or common trope found in stories older then the comics.They are among the most popular of tropes which is why writers use them cause that what people want to see.

Being a rip-off is something similar origins,powers and/or abilities,and roles.Like Aquaman and Namor or Catwoman and Black Cat,both share similar abilities and even roles in their respective universes despite Namor and Catwoman being first.But that the nature of the industry if it popular lets rebrand it under a new name and packaging.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/29/2014, 4:09 PM
Wow. You are such a marvel fanboy that you cant even bring yourself to accept something good from anyone else. Some times its simply good to raise your hand and say well done. I would call the author pathetic but i think that would be too good for him.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 4/29/2014, 4:14 PM
Originals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rip-offs

Coca Cola >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pepsi

1. DC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel

2. Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moon Knight/Iron Man

3. The Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ant-Man

4. Green Lantern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nova

5. Darkseid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanos

6. Brainiac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultron

7. The Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quicksilver

8. Doom Patrol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X-Men

9. Justice League >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avengers/Fantastic 4

10. Scarecrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scarecrow

11. The Specter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ghost Rider

12. Catwoman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Black Cat

13. Shazam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvelman

14. Robin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bucky Barnes

15. Green Arrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawkeye

16. Black Canary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mockingbird

17. Suicide Squad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbolts

18. Birds of Prey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fearless Defenders

19. DC Showcase >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel One Shots

20. Deathstroke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deadpool

21. Clayface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sandman

22. Plastic Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Fantastic

23. New Gods >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Eternals

24. Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sentry/Gladiator

25. Red Tornado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vision

26. Dr. Fate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Strange

27. Hellblazer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wisdom

28. Mr. Mxyzptlk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imposible Man

29. Legionnaires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Guard

30. JSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Invaders
supermanlives
supermanlives - 4/29/2014, 4:16 PM
I smell a Marvel fanboy reaching for some reason to discount Arrow
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 4/29/2014, 4:21 PM
@Trickwil
Now take away every character/team I just mentioned, from Marvel, and what do they have? Nothing! Without DC, Marvel would have nothing, they would be nothing. And I didn't even finished my list. There is still many more characters that I didn't even mentioned.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/29/2014, 4:36 PM
I'm not saying dc copied marvel in saying arrow isn't about the green arrow
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/29/2014, 4:37 PM
You guys are really sensitive I like the show but I have never read an arrow comic with those tropes attached
BubSnikt
BubSnikt - 4/29/2014, 5:27 PM
Hahaha this has got to be a joke. For every single one, you had to reach it in order to be believable.

@MarkOfTheDemon- that list is so biased. What about Cap, Thor, Panther, Cage, Namor, Fury, Hulk? Your arguement is invalid
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 4/29/2014, 5:34 PM
Have to agree with most of the others, this was kind of pointless (besides most of your points being way off.) Quite frankly, it's nice to see a TV show based on a comic book not just copying the comics. That's one of the things that makes it great, that they have made him somewhat original. Yes, some of the themes are the same as other movies/comics, but they have changed enough up, even about the comic characters like Huntress, that it's not just like reading a Green Arrow comic book, or any other comic. More cbms and comic TV shows should do that, come up with new stuff instead of always just redoing the same stuff that we always know. (Example: have a Superman or Justice League movie use Doomsday without using the death of Superman storyline.)
kong
kong - 4/29/2014, 5:56 PM
Diggle is Rhodey....?

case
case - 4/29/2014, 5:57 PM
How about doing an article about what it does get right too?
Alphadog
Alphadog - 4/29/2014, 11:47 PM
It's not from the green arrow comics but it's not from those marvel comics either Trickwil. I'm not nearly as obssessed with Arrow has everyone else but I do like it a lot. I'm also slighty more a DC fan than a Marvel one but I still like Marvel a lot. None of those things affect my opinion about this article. It comes from a biased Marvel fanboy and you should try to right something good next time. A good thing for you to do is write a comic that improves something instead of complaining.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 4/30/2014, 8:31 AM
Lets face both Marvel and DC copying from each other plain and simple, though the proof is in the pudding that Marvel had copied DC a little more.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/30/2014, 9:22 AM
JoeMomma29-Marvel copied "DC" when they created a ton of heroes during the Silver age of comics, In modern comics actually DC copies marvel far more often, Red Hood is exactly like Winter Soldier, both in 2005, Death of Batman in Final Crises happens about a year after death of Captain America in Civil War. and both are replaced by former sidekicks. As just 1 for instance.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/30/2014, 9:24 AM
This is not about Marvel vs DC. I pointed out where The show uses Comic book tropes that are obviously taken from DC comics as well. You DC fans are way too sensitive. I'm pointing out all of the stuff from the show Arrow that I noticed that never appeared in Green Arrow comics but did appear in other comics and istead of saying "hmm i see your point but i disagree" I get "this is bad" and "You're a marvel fanboy" I said I read more Marvel. I'm sure these are common tropes from lots of comics but like I also said I read Green Arrow and it's not in Green Arrow COmics.
LMB10
LMB10 - 4/30/2014, 10:30 AM
It's main source of inspiration is Nolan's Batman trilogy - a far more obvious link than some of these.
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 4/30/2014, 10:49 AM
I sense some butthurt in this article...
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 4/30/2014, 11:03 AM
I stopped reading after you spelled "Osborn" with an "e" at the end, after immediately posting a picture from the comics where the correct spelling is presented.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 4/30/2014, 12:22 PM
@Trickwil No you clearly said in the teaser and in other places that Arrow based these elements on other comics which in the article you claim to be from Marvel. These claims are completely false because three out of five of them are completely different besides one little thing and the last one has been done i many other tv shows and clearly weren't even inspired by Marvel. I called you a Marvel fanboy because none of this makes sense bisides the Osborn part and you really tried to force it with your arguments. You saw what you wanted to see which was that Arrow was based on Marvel comics when it clearly wasn't besides Merlyn.
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