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vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/5/2024, 6:36 AM
Gunn will save the superhero genre.

Storytelling should be top priority and not agenda
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/5/2024, 8:26 AM
@vectorsigma - We'll see. If Superman Legacy fails, will it finally put to bed the narrative that cbms are failing because of race-swapping?

That just maybe they're failing for not telling the story properly, for the leaps in story logic that the DCEU was known for and that the MCU has only recently started to adopt?
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/5/2024, 8:34 AM
@ObserverIO - the race/gender swapping and whatnot doesnt really bother me as long as the story has been given enough effort.

And i know for a fact Gunn will do his best on that department being very good at it.

So far from what i see with the carefully released updates, it is a good start. I dont see it failing atm
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/5/2024, 8:58 AM
@vectorsigma - He's great at character arcs. But TSS was full of spoof-like leaps in logic.

Maybe he just figured "When in Rome" because it was the DCEU, but then we hear about all the superpowered individuals in Superman Legacy and it just sounds like the Snyderverse again, rather than Marvel Phase 1 which is what it should be (I know people don't like the term 'should' but it sometimes applies).
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/5/2024, 9:23 AM
@ObserverIO - i understand the reservations, i guess ive enjoyed all his superhero work so far.

I dont know, maybe he is more comfortable in handling an ensemble story rather than just superman, lois and the villain.

If there is anyone who can handle this large cast (so far), it will be him. And i think i cant compare it with how the dceu was handled as snyder really sucks at writing and handling his characters well.

If we were made to care about and shed a tear for 3 animal cyborgs, then i have high hopes for legacy. Gunn has enough time and creatives/studio backing to really do this well
Gizmoduck
Gizmoduck - 1/5/2024, 9:43 PM
@ObserverIO - Who are they race swapping in Supes? If its a minor character its never a big, like how fishburne was perry - got a great actor in a minor role.

If ryan gosling is going to be the black panther, well there might be an issue or if bruce wayne is being played by michael b jordan ill say...um no.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/6/2024, 4:15 AM
@Gizmoduck - They're not race-swapping anyone in Superman Legacy. At least they haven't done yet. James Gunn's casting seems to be note perfect in terms of how the characters look in the comics. They were specifically looking for a white Superman. He's being very careful to play by the anti-woke playbook and not race-swap anyone.

Supergirl hasn't been cast yet, but there are reports that he doesn't want to bring back Sasha Calle despite vocally loving The Flash film. He'll probably get a young blonde woman who looks exactly like Supergirl looks in the comics and there won't be any complaints from anyone.

Also, I really have no problem with a black Batman. People always say that he's supposed to be white privileged and that that's an important part of it's character. The privilege part? yes. The white part? Not necessarily.

Old money families were all white. But skin color can change over generations. You would only need to have black people enter the family two or three generations back to have a pure blooded black old money family. So Bruce Wayne can be Michael B. Jordan (or Idris Elba or another black actor).
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 1/5/2024, 6:40 AM
First season was ok with it having many of "a moment" throughout most episodes.
Am looking forward to s2.

Oh. and John Cena for the next T-800 when they reboot Terminator. Again. Like, 3+ times now.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 1/5/2024, 8:59 AM
@lazlodaytona - you know they’ll somehow get Arnold to do it again.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 1/5/2024, 9:47 AM
@philinterrupted - I don't mind if it's a cameo but they need to completely overhaul and hard reboot the franchise. and, of all actors I could choose for the new T-800 I oddly would love to see John Ceena be it.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/5/2024, 6:43 AM
"Peacemaker was a hit when it launched in 2022"

vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/5/2024, 6:49 AM
@Forthas - josh is a known marvel shill. That is obviously bait
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/5/2024, 7:10 AM
@vectorsigma - Now Preacher’s a show you might get away with calling ‘niche’ since nobody watched it.
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 7:26 AM
@FireandBlood - That's ok. You can enjoy She-Hulk, Echo, Iron heart and Agatha all you want...since no one will watch that shit either.


Being a bias Prick you wouldn't know the difference.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/5/2024, 7:29 AM
@Sabre81 - I didn’t enjoy She-Hulk and those other shows haven’t even come out yet. What’s wrong with you? [frick]ing weirdo 😂
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/5/2024, 7:46 AM
@Forthas - i think it was their most watched original that year only behind house of dragons and it was 1 of the most pirated show too.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/5/2024, 7:53 AM
@mastakilla39 - It was the most watched Max (as in streaming) original. Max was only 18 months old so the did not have hardly any other original series. From SAMBA which is the only data I can find, it got about the same number of views at Superman and Lois a series that is being cancelled.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 1/5/2024, 9:20 AM
@Forthas -


I hated peacemaker. It felt forced as hell and didn't have the heart that most JG films have. It felt like The Boys ripoff 💁



Also the show came out at a time when we were all locked in our homes because of the pandemic. It came out January of 2022. There was nothing to watch😅
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 9:59 AM
@FireandBlood - Well, you've got more shit to come to pander about. I hope you realise you use them term 'incel' wrong lol fecking fool lol That's what is wrong with YOU! Calling someone a Weirdo when you're nothing but an imbecile. Try harder.


FIGHT THE POWER BROTHER!!!!
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/5/2024, 10:06 AM
@Sabre81 - You’re so shit at this. And life, I bet 😂

Weirdo
Forthas
Forthas - 1/5/2024, 10:13 AM
@FireandBlood - What the hell? What is with that user above and his attacking you for no reason?
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/5/2024, 10:14 AM
@Forthas - I haven’t a clue 😂

He literally logs in just to @ me
Forthas
Forthas - 1/5/2024, 10:17 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - I have never made it through Peacemaker so I am in no position to judge the quality. It is not the kind of show that I gravitate to. But I do believe you are not alone. If it was the big hit they say it is then I doubt they would be waiting several years for the sequel. And based on this studio's record just because they say it is coming out really does not mean much.
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 10:25 AM
@FireandBlood - If you keep replying, then I will too my angry Black Friend

Here's for Peace and knowing what tha' Hood is all about:-




FIGHT THE POWER!!!!
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/5/2024, 10:33 AM
@Sabre81 - You’re not replying, you’re going out of your way to log in and @ me every chance you get, as other users are noting. And it’s weirdo behaviour, to say the least.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/5/2024, 10:35 AM
@Forthas - Getting Superman & Lois numbers is great for Max because of the sign up rate growth vs getting something for free on CW. The critical reception was phenomenal too as its the highest rated DCEU property at 94%. 2nd season got greenlight right away because it was breaking records for MAX. Many pirated the show because Max wasn't global yet, now that it is that means more people are going to sign up.

It takes 2 years for the show because of the budget and talent involved vs a tv show with has been actors and nobodies. TV shows that cost more than 100 mil+ need at least 2 to 3 years to write/develop/vfx render. Peacemaker S1 cost 185 mil almost as much as House of Dragons at 200 mil thats why both shows need 2 - 3 year waits.
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 10:36 AM
@Forthas - Peacemaker is kind of fun if you don't take it serious. Pretty much like The Suicide Squad or basically anything James Gunn does. If you can switch your brain off and stop trying to be a condescending judgemental prick all the time then maybe you'll understand that one of these days.
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 10:40 AM
@FireandBlood - You're the guy who randomly interjects race in comments without reason. That's Weird!!! How's that chip on your shoulder??



FIGHT THE POWER!!!
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/5/2024, 10:56 AM
@Sabre81 - Randomly? If every one of you lots comments is about this being shit or that being shit because said minority/woman is at the lead, it ain’t random. I’m not upset minorities and women have a role to play not, you are.

But you quite literally log in just to @ me, and I don’t know who you are. Just look at your comment history. It’s just replies to my comments, and that’s what users like @Forthas and @Vigor are pointing out. And it’s [frick]ing weird.
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 11:14 AM
@FireandBlood - Yep, logged in all the time and view your race hate comments at every stage. I don't care about what other users say, it's more about you and the fact you try to make RACE a point when you cannot engage in a conversation. You're dumb. Keep saying 'Weirdo' if you think that makes you smart. SPOILER, it doesn't.



FIGHT THE POWER!!!
Vigor
Vigor - 1/5/2024, 11:15 AM
Is this guy @sabre81 picking on you @FireandBlood ?
I'll start reporting him for bullying so we can discuss cbm's in peace
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 11:28 AM
@Vigor - It's not bullying. Quite the opposite. It's pointing out his comments of hatred and race that are unwarranted. No need for that kind of behaviour here.


BTW, really sorry for what I said to you earlier, There was no need, Really sorry.
Vigor
Vigor - 1/5/2024, 11:43 AM
@Sabre81 - na na na. Don't try that apologizing shit now. Like I said to you, you revealed your cards and I now know you and what you're about

If you have a problem with what @fireandblood says, then address it in THAT thread. Your problem is you remember what bothers you and then bring things up in other threads that have nothing to do with what you're mad about. You're the one ironically bringing up race. @fireandblood hasn't said a word about race here until YOU brought it up

Log off. Touch grass
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 11:55 AM
@Vigor - Well, I tried to be a bigger man, and you failed. I completely tried to say sorry and you through it in my face as a simp retort. Touch Grass? Try even more of being a Millennial who doesn't even have clue of language.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/5/2024, 1:47 PM
@Sabre81 - Thanks for the advice. No need to respond to me...EVER!
Sabre81
Sabre81 - 1/5/2024, 2:23 PM
@Forthas - No problem, you're not worth my attention.
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