Marvel Television Boss Addresses AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. And AGENT CARTER's Canon Status In The MCU

Marvel Television Boss Addresses AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. And AGENT CARTER's Canon Status In The MCU

Marvel Television boss Brad Winderbaum has once again commented on the "canon" status of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter, suggesting he's trying to figure out how to bring them into the MCU...

By JoshWilding - Feb 01, 2025 07:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Source: Screen Rant

When Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. launched on Disney+, it was meant to be part of the MCU. After a rocky start, The Avengers spin-off found its footing in the second half of season 1 and excelled when it tied into Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

However, as time passed, the series became more and more far-removed from what's since been dubbed the Sacred Timeline. In recent years, we've learned that Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige didn't want any of those Marvel Television shows to happen; they were former Marvel Entertainment Chairman Ike Perlmutter's doing.

So, when the opportunity presented itself, Feige talked Disney CEO Bob Iger into allowing Marvel Studios to oversee everything by producing MCU TV shows for Disney+. 

The canon status of both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter has been hotly debated for years. Many argue that they're clearly part of the MCU, an argument which carries a little more weight now the "Defenders Saga" appears to have been folded into the Sacred Timeline.

Talking to Screen Rant, Marvel Studios' Head of TV, Streaming, and Animation, Brad Winderbaum was asked about where things stand with both shows. 

"Well, I'll tell you this, and put it to you like this. It's exciting for me to think about how to square those ABC shows with the canon," he confirmed. "That, to me, if you know me and the way my brain works, that is fun territory to imagine."

Reading between the lines, it appears they're not technically canon right now but Winderbaum is eager to fold them into the MCU when the opportunity to do so presents itself. 

Last August, Winderbaum similarly addressed the place of these shows in the wider MCU:

"I think that S.H.I.E.L.D. is a really great show and there was a long time where some of the best reveals in that show were during the Winter Soldier era where Hydra emerges and you're like, 'Oh my gosh!' I remember that feeling, even knowing what was happening, just being a fan, [going] 'It really is connected!'"

"I think that there is, in a crazy way, like you said, it does feel like it fits into The Multiverse Saga in an incredible way. I want to go down this road with you, you know I do, but we're just gonna take a deep breath for a second. Just know that I love that cast, I love Clark Gregg and I love that show."

While we wouldn't necessarily bank on a revival for either show, Hayley Atwell will reportedly return as Peggy Carter in Avengers: Doomsday. If the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. are going to return alongside Coulson, then surely the Multiverse Saga is the place to do it. 

As always, let us know your thoughts on Winderbaum's comments in the usual place.

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Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/1/2025, 7:32 AM
I hope they keep all the Ghost Rider stuff at least - Gabriel Luna killed it
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/1/2025, 8:40 AM
@Nightwing1015 - Should be easy to basicaly make everything up until the end of season four (when they jump to the future) officialy confirmed canon (it was after all advertised as such for at least the first couple seasons and in official MCU tie in books/videos). Avoid references to most the Inhuman stuff and there isn't anything that contradicts the films at all up until then (other than MAYBE a book but can have more than one copy of the stone carvings, lack of referance to it's take on Inhumans in films means little when most that non Royal family bunch were wiped out anyway)...

...after that easier to argue they ended up on a branch timeline but Fitz invented tech to jump between timelines, this is the multiverse saga and gonna have multiple timelines converging anyway.

As to Luna, last time he appeared he had mastered a form of dimensional portal magic using his flaming chain, incredibly easy to fold him into either of the Avengers films inc if also features other Ghost Riders (as comics have had multiple alongside each other at the same time before and the first film had two of them too).
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/1/2025, 11:19 AM
@Nightwing1015 -

Johnny Blaze is Ghost Rider.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/1/2025, 3:57 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - There's room for both versions
dagenspear
dagenspear - 2/1/2025, 4:04 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - No, he's not, he's one of them. You don't know comics and seem, to me, to not know the show or what it implies.
krayzeman
krayzeman - 2/3/2025, 4:26 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - so was Danny Ketch and Robbie Reyes
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 2/1/2025, 7:44 AM
I'd like a new Fury, new coulson, new shield..... now that they have use of their characters let's see some of that Marvel Comics dynamic that makes this sh!t cool
AllsGood
AllsGood - 2/1/2025, 7:55 AM
New Captain America: Brave New World (30 Second Spot 2)

HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 2/1/2025, 8:12 AM
The general response was no, hell no, but the MCU standards got so low after Infinity war that the general response now is at sure, whatever.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 2/1/2025, 8:14 AM
AGENTS OF S.H.I.T was shit.
Matador
Matador - 2/1/2025, 10:16 AM
@harryba11zack - Wasn't that that horrible some CW shows were a bit worse.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 2/1/2025, 10:19 AM
@Matador - thats like comparing dog shit to horse shit.
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Matador
Matador - 2/1/2025, 10:23 AM
@harryba11zack - Yeah but maybe the horseshit was a thoroughbred and that shit at least I can use it as fertilizer not so much the dog shit.

One is more useful than the other I'll take the horse shit then.

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dagenspear
dagenspear - 2/1/2025, 4:01 PM
@harryba11zack - who says
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 2/1/2025, 4:18 PM
@dagenspear - User Comment Image
dagenspear
dagenspear - 2/1/2025, 4:27 PM
@harryba11zack - God is funny! Just saw a that clip in a video recently. Jesus is Lord!
JDL
JDL - 2/1/2025, 10:37 PM
@harryba11zack - It was pretty good TV.
dragon316
dragon316 - 2/1/2025, 8:23 AM
Could be but there saying not that it matters some timeline stuff doesn’t match up with tv shows and movies and unanswered questions does it matter if it was does it change anything no takes place in past
Brand0n
Brand0n - 2/1/2025, 8:59 AM
Watched the show during its original run and currently doing a watch through with my wife and she loves it. So many people who stopped during season 1 missed out on an amazing run and some of the best characters in the “MCU”. Season 2 and 4-7 are just perfect story telling. Honestly once they stopped trying to fit into the movies is where it really shined and became its own thing. Season 4, the Ghost Rider /LMD/Framework season is one of the best and most enjoyable seasons of television I’ve ever watched. It’s one of those shows where you get attached to the characters and honestly experience all the ups and downs with them and want to see it through.

My thoughts are this,

* Fury, Maria Hill, and Sitwell, Peggy, the howling commandos all appear in Agents of Shield played by all of the same actors.

* Agent Blake appears in the show who is also in the one shot Item 47 which is in the canon timeline on D+.

* All the stories that follow the movies lining up perfectly with the show.

* Human Jarvis appears in Endgame who is also in the Agent Carter series played by the same actor.

* Dominic Cooper plays Stark in Agent Carter.

* Sosa from Agent Carter joins Agents Of Sheild in the last season.

Logic to me then points to all of this being canon.

Or if there’s an argument that because Fiege produced agent Carter and it was written by Markus and McFeely that it’s somehow more canon than the other, logically have to include AOS.

Besides all of the time travel and quantum realm stuff AOS deals with in 5-7. For all we know is they were in another reality.

With that said, thank you for coming to my TED talk
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/1/2025, 9:52 AM
@Brand0n - well said!!.

Honestly I might be in the minority on this but I’m a big fan of S3 of Shield aswell (moreso even then 2 which is solid).
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/1/2025, 10:50 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Yeh second half of season one thru first half of season five was all great to varying degrees, some stuff didn't always land well for me (such as the whole Squid faced hydra god possessing Wade) and went off the boil a tad second half of season five when trying to loosely connected with IW and the season after wasn't good but then, final season traveling back in time on an altered MCU timeline (before jumping timelines to the probable still alt timeline) was pure brilliance for me.

I LIKED overall what they did with the concept of Inhumans however, avoiding the Royal Family directly but setting up the whole story involving Daisy's parents worked WELL for me at a time when Quake couldn't for legal reasons be made out to be believed a mutant at first, switching to Inhuman (instead of JUST her Dad's experiments mutating his own genetics) was great I thought.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/1/2025, 10:55 AM
@Apophis71 - honestly even liked S6 as weird as that whole story was (though I liked that weirdness)…

Them knowing they had back to back seasons there definitely helped and it made feel like one big one due to how connected they were
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 2/1/2025, 11:04 AM
@Brand0n - props to your post. That reminded me a lot on this show as i also completed it back then.

It is not perfect but there is effort given on this show. Unlike the mcu shows we are having nowadays
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/1/2025, 11:12 AM
@TheVisionary25 - At the time, S6 was OK for me, retrospectively like it far more however but at the time liked I was getting more of the characters I'd grown to love but weakest the show had been since first half of season one IMO.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/1/2025, 11:13 AM
@Apophis71 - fair enough.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/1/2025, 8:40 PM
@Brand0n - Season 4 is where there was clearly a break from the MCU after the Framework. I watched it all but it wasn't the same not being connected in some way. The first three seasons were great IMHO but the whole Inhuman bizness doesn't seem to square with the rest of the MCU, although having Kree messing around on Earth making sentient weapons isn't that far a stretch to the current reality.

Of course it could well be an alternate universe and Bob's your uncle.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/1/2025, 9:56 AM
The canonicity of Agent Carter should really depend on whether or not Cap changed the timeline at the end of Endgame (and they somehow still followed the same set path due to Kang or something).

If he did change the timeline then Agent Carter would be a casualty because she would have most likely been reunited with Cap long before all of that. Cap had a literal date and a literal time machine. No way he doesn't make it back to her before the events of Agent Carter, being the gentleman that he is.

And Kang probably doesn't deem anything that isn't in box set important enough to the preserve in the sacred timeline. He's a big box set guy.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/1/2025, 10:54 AM
@ObserverIO - STILL hold that Steve must himself have created a branch timeline doing what he did and got someone/something to allow him to jump timelines in order to hand over the shield.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/1/2025, 11:20 AM
@Apophis71 - That's the most likely. But knowing what we now know about Kang making sure certain events happen, Steve could have created a branch timeline that replaced the sacred timeline and Kang made sure that events still unfolded the same, so that The Infinity Saga still happened (but obviously Agent Carter probably wouldn't happen anymore).
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/1/2025, 11:28 AM
@ObserverIO - Yeh, with HWR there are messy ways you can make it all work that he was always part of the sacred timeline but unless confirmed in my head he was on a branch timeline till the hand over but fair if they ever confirm the other option (which I doubt they'll bother doing and simply leave us to debate it, lol)
dracula
dracula - 2/1/2025, 10:17 AM
Agent carter can fit just fine

Agents of shield has issues
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/1/2025, 11:24 AM
@dracula -

They both have issues.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/1/2025, 10:53 AM
Given Endgame's time travel rules (the correct ones!) everything after S4 isn't canon to the MCU-616. With the multiverse though, everything is canon really
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/1/2025, 11:09 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Yup, after season four unless going with Stark and Banner were wrong, is all branch timeline territory by Endgame rules (but we are now having the entire multiverse potentially canon to the MCU, all bets are off cos of that).

Again, for the normal suspects, Darkhold books in any universe are oft copies from stone carvings thus never anything to prevent multiple differing copies in addition to the original version.

Eons ago, the evil Elder God known as Chthon wrote all his evil works and spells onto indestructible parchments. Originally written on flesh before being transcribed to stone and later a collection of parchments often referred to as the Chthon Scrolls. The pages were later bound together into a tome, of the codex type, named "The Darkhold," and also called "The Shiatra Book Of The Damned" or "The Book Of Sins."

IE it is canon to the comics there being the original flesh copy going by the name Darkhold that ends up in the hands of Wanda, and the stone carving copy (which in the MCU she destroyed) and seperately the bound Chthon Scrolls copy that ALSO went by the name of The Darkhold (which could be what AoS got their hands on) plus lesser copies like the Marvel version of Necronomicon.
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