New ECHO "Kingpin Returns" Teaser Confirms That The Events Of Netflix's DAREDEVIL Are Canon

New ECHO "Kingpin Returns" Teaser Confirms That The Events Of Netflix's DAREDEVIL Are Canon

Marvel Studios has released another new teaser promo for Echo, and it would appear to leave little doubt that the events of Netflix's Daredevil series are indeed canon...

By MarkCassidy - Jan 04, 2024 02:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Echo

Marvel Studios has shared a new teaser for Echo, and it would appear to confirm once and for all that the events of Netflix's Daredevil series (along with the other "DefenderVerse" shows, presumably) will indeed be canon in the MCU.

The "Kingpin Returns" promo includes footage and dialogue from the first season of Daredevil, as black-and-white flashbacks revisit the harrowing origin of Wilson Fisk.

We see the young Kingpin-to-be just after he killed his abusive father with a hammer, along with some shots of the Man Without Fear as he pledges to take down the mob boss. We also get a new glimpse of Daredevil in action right at the end.

Echo EP Brad Winderbaum recently suggested that the Netflix shows would be canon on "the Sacred Timeline," but this appears to be a clear indication that Marvel Studios will be doing more than simply cherry-picking certain plotlines and characters to utilize in the Disney+ projects.

Check out the promo in the player below.

Echo will be the first project under a new banner known as Marvel Spotlight, which takes its name from an anthology comic book series that debuted back in 1971 and was the origin of beloved Marvel characters like Ghost Rider and Spider-Woman.

“Marvel Spotlight gives us a platform to bring more grounded, character-driven stories to the screen, and in the case of Echo, focusing on street-level stakes over larger MCU continuity," said Head of Streaming Brad Winderbaum. "Just like comics fans didn’t need to read Avengers or Fantastic Four to enjoy a Ghost Rider Spotlight comic, our audience doesn’t need to have seen other Marvel series to understand what’s happening in Maya’s story.”

"Marvel Studios presents Echo in which Maya Lopez (Alaqua Cox) struggles to reconnect with her Native American roots while balancing aspirations tied to a life of crime as successor to the brutal legacy of Wilson Fisk (Vincent D'Onofrio) aka Kingpin," reads the most recent synopsis. "In the first episode, we are introduced to Maya Lopez and her struggles."

In addition to Cox, D'Onofrio and Cox (Charlie), the show will also star Chaske Spencer as Henry, Tantoo Cardinal as Chula, Graham Greene as Skully, Cody Lightning as Cousin Biscuits, Devery Jacobs as Bonnie, and Zahn McClarnon as William Lopez.

The origin story of Echo revisits Maya Lopez (Cox), whose ruthless behaviour in New York City catches up with her in her hometown. She must face her past, reconnect with her Native American roots and embrace the meaning of family and community if she ever hopes to move forward.

All five episodes of Echo will be available to stream on Disney+ from January 9.

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/4/2024, 2:02 PM
So Iron Fist is canon?
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/4/2024, 2:04 PM
@ObserverIO -

Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 1/4/2024, 2:07 PM
@ObserverIO -
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 1/4/2024, 2:07 PM
@ObserverIO -
mountainman
mountainman - 1/4/2024, 2:07 PM
@ObserverIO - And the Defenders and JJ S3? Ugh. Can we just pick and choose which shows are canon?
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/4/2024, 2:19 PM
@ObserverIO - Everything is canon in the multi-verse. So even if they recast every other character with new actors you can say all prior netflix events happened. Disney will be saying, "It won't be weird if Foggy Nelson is suddenly a black woman, and if you think there is then the problem is you."
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 1/4/2024, 2:23 PM
@mastakilla39 - The problem is definitely you lol
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/4/2024, 2:32 PM
@mastakilla39 - Man, you are OBSESSED with race, huh?
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/4/2024, 2:48 PM
@ClintThaHamster - Nah, I'm for race swap and wanted a Black superman. My problem is with continuity. I prefer for all the actors (if possible) to come back if your continuing from a legacy show especially if they are still alive in reality. Its going to destroy the chemistry built between previous actors and feel artificial if you race/gender/actor swap.

Superman Returns had this issue when they tried to be a legacy reboot of Superman 3 & 4. Different actors = different chemistry. No 1 felt like they got the same or equivalent chemistry/performance of Christopher Reeve or Margot Kidder with all new actors. All reference of previous events will feel artificial and unearned IMO.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 1/4/2024, 2:50 PM
@mastakilla39 - This is a non issue because Foggy isn't a black woman
narrow290
narrow290 - 1/4/2024, 2:59 PM
@GhostDog - Whatever happened to The Doctor? Dude loved the Iron Fist series. I miss his comments
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/4/2024, 2:59 PM
@mastakilla39 - None of the recast actors in Superman Returns were of a different race or gender than the originals, though. Just seems weird to jump to "Black Woman" when you could have said "Alexander Skarsgard" or something.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 1/4/2024, 2:59 PM
@ObserverIO - To be fair, Finn Jones wasn't the problem.
GodHercules20
GodHercules20 - 1/4/2024, 3:04 PM
@ObserverIO - They're going to reboot after Secret Wars so not a problem.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 1/4/2024, 3:09 PM
@comicfan100 - the dude who was bad at his job?
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 1/4/2024, 3:12 PM
@ProfessorWhy - His cameo in Luke Cage season 2 had me believe that he had potential to be a great Iron Fist. They had good chemistry
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 1/4/2024, 3:14 PM
@comicfan100 - I'll give you that..... he got better. Still incredibly disappointing
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/4/2024, 3:25 PM
@ClintThaHamster - I was generalizing the effect of recasting. If you gender/race swap your going to have to recast.
The1st
The1st - 1/4/2024, 3:56 PM
@ObserverIO - So is Defenders.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/4/2024, 5:28 PM
@mastakilla39 - Okay. Specifying a race/gender swap seems intended to rile up the usual suspects, but I'll take you at your word that that wasn't your intent.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/4/2024, 8:37 PM
@mountainman - Just lay on some heavy retcons.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/4/2024, 8:37 PM
@mastakilla39 - Gotta make it political for no reason.
Fogs
Fogs - 1/5/2024, 6:29 AM
@mastakilla39 - You're right about the fact they can pinch whatever they want from previous stuff and change whatever they like and just say "hey, that's a different reality than that one you saw previously".

So I'd guess a reality 90% based on Netflix. The rest is either unwanted stuff or people they couldn't have a contract with.
Variant
Variant - 1/13/2024, 11:22 AM
@mountainman - Exactly my thoughts. And honestly it could be pulled off no problem with the multiverse. Just position it as the Defenders Saga happening in a different universe. And in a parallel universe -- the sacred timeline -- Daredevil and Kingpin's story played out just as it did in the Defenders Saga but Iron Fist (and whatever else we don't want) didn't happen.

I'm not the biggest fan of multiverse and time travel concepts because they're very convoluted concepts by nature. But if there's one thing I actually appreciate about having a Multiverse Saga tho, is it serves a purpose to gather characters from other universal storytelling to get them under one roof. (Although I hope the X-Men / Mutants aren't a product of this; I'd really like to see them develop within the main timeline.)

WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 1/4/2024, 2:02 PM
Ballsy move...
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 1/4/2024, 2:06 PM
Couple people preaching the opposite around here for the last few years are not gonna be happy 😂
Fogs
Fogs - 1/5/2024, 6:33 AM
@Nightwing1015 - Feige said it wasn't canon in the past.

With the multiverse stuff he can rollback and say that's what he meant: not that reality, just a similar one ;)
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 1/5/2024, 12:32 PM
@Fogs - I don’t think he ever came out and made a clear statement on it - I don’t remember that
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 1/5/2024, 4:53 PM
@Fogs - He never did.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 1/4/2024, 2:08 PM
Putting the Netflix DD in the MCU continuity should be a no-brainer, can't believe we live in a world where we actually have to be grateful for that to happen, as if even 1 single ass episode of any of their D+ tv shows was better than what Netflix did with Daredevil, lel.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/4/2024, 2:34 PM
@Doomsday8888 - But they could [frick] it up and ruin the legacy of Netflix DD. Its just like how the D+ Star Wars TV shows are making the films and their characters worst.

The D+ DD should just be like Matt Reeve's Batman with a new continuity and older DD....who is now dating She-Hulk.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 1/4/2024, 2:40 PM
@Doomsday8888 - Absolutely. It fits nicely and there’s room to remember or forget many elements of the Defenders of Netflix.

They reference the MCU events in the shows, but some of the stories, like Luke Cage and Ironfist were so inconsequential that they could just be overlooked and replaced if necessary.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/4/2024, 3:03 PM
@JustAWaffle - Will likely still go the loose canon route where some events (dragon under NYC) didn't happen but a lot remains the exact same. For instance in the Sacred Timeline maybe Cottonmouth didn't die as him leaving for an extended period wouldn't alter much realy but all the story of that character up till that point could be identical. In the main they simply won't reference the past unless relevant to do so and recasting where needed shouldn't be too huge of an issue I feel as long as they are the same character and not a 'variant'.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/4/2024, 2:08 PM
They should have thrown footage of Thanos in that trailer, it did wonders for the Marvels.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/4/2024, 2:08 PM
Daredevil is Canon


"Defenders, Iron Fist, JJ seasons 2 and 3, and all the DD season 2 Hand stuff are canon"

bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/4/2024, 2:12 PM
@GhostDog - my thoughts exactly lol
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/4/2024, 2:14 PM
@bobevanz - Netflix Marvel stuff at its best is still AMAZING content, but at its worst...it got pretty DAMN BAD.

A lot of Defenders is borderline UNWATCHABLE and Iron Fist is a crime.
Fogs
Fogs - 1/5/2024, 6:32 AM
@GhostDog - Canon is what they'll call canon. That's the nice part of the multiversal thing.
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 1/4/2024, 2:10 PM
I wish they’d make their mind up. One minute the Netflix shows are canon then they’re not canon now they are canon again. This is toxic like Ross and Rachel….
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/4/2024, 2:12 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - Their minds were made up, until they realised the quality of their content wasn't as high bar as they thought it was.
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