THE ACOLYTE Showrunner Talks [SPOILER]'s Death, How It Stems From "Benign Sexism," And Big Lightsaber Scene

THE ACOLYTE Showrunner Talks [SPOILER]'s Death, How It Stems From "Benign Sexism," And Big Lightsaber Scene

The Acolyte showrunner Leslye Headland has talked more about what led to the shocking death of Master Sol in this week's finale and addresses both the lightsaber bleeding scene and Force Dyad theories.

By JoshWilding - Jul 20, 2024 12:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: Collider (via SFFGazette.com)

In the closing moments of The Acolyte, Osha has embraced the Dark Side and joined The Stranger. As for Mae, the Jedi-killing former pupil of the mysterious Sith villain, she's turned her back on anger and, following a memory wipe, allied herself with the Jedi and Vernestra Rwoh.

It's quite the contrast to where the series began and, in a lengthy new interview with Collider (via SFFGazette.com), showrunner Leslye Headland said it was always the goal to turn the tables and have the twins switch places. 

"That's also why I really felt that the memory-wipe was important, because I felt like Mae had to become completely docile, and then Osha had to embody this rage and despair," she explains. "So, again, trying to get all of that to work took so much time and effort, and I cannot tell you how proud I am of our writers that they did that and that the actors were so game."

Crucial to Osha, a former Jedi Padawan, turning her back on the Order and Master Sol was learning she'd lied to him about the circumstances surrounding her mother's death. 

Explaining that Sol's desire to protect Osha stems from "benign sexism," Headland elaborates on that point by saying, "Ultimately, what happens is — again, this is a father-daughter relationship — as women evolve in their lives and develop their own personalities separate from their fathers, at some point, they have to reject that protectionism."

"When he says, 'I did everything because I love-' He's going to say, 'I love you,' and not only is that a level of attachment that an unbalanced Jedi would have — he very clearly is losing it in the last half of the season — but that's also the justification for that kind of behavior between the father and the daughter."

"The daughter has to surpass him in some way," she continues. "She cannot stay a little girl or an adolescent or young adult. She has to, at some point, say, 'I reject what you have told me I need to do to make you proud, to follow in your footsteps.' She has to do that."

In fact, it's when Sol tells Osha "it's okay" that Headland believes is him accepting his fate and giving his "daughter" agency and "[the] energy to do the final fist clench."

It's during that confrontation we see Osha bleed Sol's lightsaber by turning the blade from blue to red. According to the showrunner, "She takes it from him and claims it as her own. I just couldn’t resist making that three-act structure of it. I'm so proud of it. I wanted it to feel like the lightsaber had its own journey over the course of the season."

A great deal has been said about the possibility of Mae and Osha - who are supposedly a single consciousness split into two bodies - being a Force Dyad. Rey and Kylo Ren's connection gave them an unbreakable Force-bond, and Headland left the door open to whether that's the case, going so far as to suggest Sol's reading of the situation may be wrong.

"I hope that people end with just not really knowing. I do think it's something worth exploring if we get to continue telling the story, but I also felt strongly that I shouldn't namedrop Force Dyad, because it felt a little inside baseball for a regular viewer."

"Here's what I'll say. I think that there's a world where Sol just doesn't have the vocabulary or information to express what he's looking at. He may have misread what he saw," she says. "After everything he's done, I'm not sure he's a reliable narrator at this point, you know? So I was interested in keeping it vague enough that you could explore it on your own."

There's a lot which needs to be addressed in The Acolyte if it gets a second season, but if the Star Wars sequels taught us anything, it's that Lucasfilm has no problem with leaving us without definitive answers. Here's hoping that doesn't happen again here. 

All episodes of The Acolyte are now streaming on Disney+.

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/20/2024, 12:10 AM
This is the way!!! now bring Pablo Lyle to the next Rey trilogy and we are cooking, or should i say cucking? ...ooh yeah Sabra iS AMAZING
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/20/2024, 12:30 AM
Kathleen Kennedy

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mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 7/20/2024, 12:48 AM
Whole show is such woke on the nose garbage. This show was made for no one and pandering to people who don't even watch star wars. I liked Russian Dolls a lot, but except for the action scenes this show is probably the worst Star Wars show thus far.
MahN166A
MahN166A - 7/20/2024, 8:29 AM
@mastakilla39 -

What did you think of the last episode?
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 7/20/2024, 12:10 PM
@mastakilla39 - Totally valid that you don't like this show. This show was made (for better or worse, I have no dog in that fight) by someone who pitched an Idea, and the studio (again, for better or worse) found it interresting enough to pump an awful lot of money into (whatever their motives). When you say it was "made for no one and pandering to people who don't even watch Star Wars", I have to wonder if maybe that's exactly the someone this show was made for. (once more, for better or worse)People who wouldn't otherwise be drawn to the property, in hopes of attracting a new demographic. If they become interested in this show, they might then go back and explore the other material in that universe. I get that it might upset certain, long time fans, but I also understand that adding this, doesn't diminish what's come before. The OT will always be the OT. But today's audiences aren't the same as the ones who saw the OT in theaters. This doesn't look to change who you are, but to draw in a new following.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/20/2024, 12:51 AM

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Hoooo.... Thanks. I needed that.

Fogs
Fogs - 7/20/2024, 5:21 AM
@DocSpock - That was more or less my reaction. What's next, "nice racism"?
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/20/2024, 5:52 AM
@DocSpock - Takes a lot of work to be this obtuse.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/20/2024, 5:55 AM
@Fogs - benign racism is absolutely a thing. Ever hear someone say, "he's Asian, so he's great at math" or "that black gentleman is so articulate?" That's what that is.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/20/2024, 1:06 AM
Oh boy , I can already see some people having a field day with this…

Anyway , I disagree with some of Headland’s interpretation / intent or atleast I saw it differently personally since I am not a woman.

Our initial impression of Sol is someone who is a Qui Gon-esque figure but is even warmer & compassionate but as the layers are peeled back we see that like Qui Gon he became intrigued by this young child who he felt he had connection to and was special but went about having her join the wrong way which made him a a moreso cautionary tale imo…

I have no doubt he cared about Osha and wanted what he felt was the best for her given what he saw from his perspective which he felt was a noble mission to save these girls but he didn’t have the full picture which led to a fear of the unknown (which is similar to Rayencourts fear of the Jedi) this making the biggest mistake of his life and then pay for it with it down the line .

Ultimately he was the prime example of Rayencourt’s speech about the Jedi trying to control the uncontrollable which is emotion which is true because to feel is to be human.

Sol was such an interesting & complex character that it’s sad to see him go especially since he and “Qimir were the MVP’s for me!!.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 7/20/2024, 1:15 AM
Just seems to me like all these actors/directors/writers all have daddy issues…
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/20/2024, 5:56 AM
@Matchesz - Most people do.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/20/2024, 1:30 AM
I felt the Osha & Mae stuff was alright…

It never took me out of the story but I also felt their development and arc could have been stronger aswell.

I thought Amandla Stenberg did well with the material and direction she had for the most part but was at her weakest opposite herself which is understandable since it can be hard to have chemistry with yourself who is not really even your twin but more or less your consciousness split into 2 bodies hence there not being much distinction between the two…

However I did like the yin-yang symbolism to them since even childhood it seemed with Mae being more inclined to the dark while Osha to the light which plays into how they are dressed in the modern day initially until the swap happens as Qimir tries to seduce Osha to the Dark Side and Mae finds out the full truth about Brendok which is when the roles are reversed with Mae wearing white and Osha wearing black.

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Also the mind wipe took me by surprise but did make sense because as Leslye said , it made Mae more calmer and laidback because I doubt she would ever be or work with the Jedi otherwise while Osha became more rageful especially when she killed Sol.

Hopefully we get more seasons and those characters and their actress is given stronger material and direction to work because I am interested in them to an extent especially in regards to the how and why of their conception!!.
whoknows
whoknows - 7/20/2024, 5:04 AM
@TheVisionary25 - you ever watch the old republic sacrifice cinematic with the twins? I’d have much rather end something similar to that. Where osha tries to kill sol 4 the same reasons but Mae tries to stop her cuz she believes that’s not her sisters nature and in a quick fight against her she ends up killing Mae. Would be compelling if they showed the sisters being much much closer and loving though, rather than so indifferent. Like a True sisterly love/bond but just in her rage over Sol killing their mom, she just loses it and slices Mae open when Mae’s trying to save her from herself. That would be such a powerful turn for Osha to the dark side and a caring/loving turn to the light for Mae.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/20/2024, 8:33 AM
@whoknows - perhaps it could have been but right now to go with the Yin-Yang symbolism more and that they are one consciousness in 2 people

I like that when one goes to the dark side , the other turns to the light almost as a way to balance itself.
whoknows
whoknows - 7/20/2024, 1:33 PM
@TheVisionary25 - you’d still get that with Mae trying to save osha from killing sol and Yin Yang is deeper than that. But yin Yang is a deeper than just plain light and dark, more important is that inside the darkest dark is a spark of light and in the brightest light there is spot of darkness. That’s why they got dots , black dot in the white, white dot in the black, one can’t exist without the other. It’s just not as simple as half evil half good and that’s balance but in the most evil thing there could be some good and in the purest good there could be a bit of darkness, because you can’t light a candle without casting a shadow.
whoknows
whoknows - 7/20/2024, 1:54 PM
@TheVisionary25 - you know what my issue with how they did it with or why I prefer that little story change I suggested, because Mae didn’t really turn to the light, they just wiped her mind and that’s how she’s going to turn and I think that’s very lazy writing wise. They couldn’t figure out a way to get Mae to the light without wiping her mind men in black style. Having her saving Osha from herself could be a believable and powerful way for her to find the light. But they would had to establish a a more loving sisterly bond for that to feel more impactful and now that I think about it. osha was showing heavy dark tendencies as a kid, she was rejecting her family, she wanting more, there’s some greed in there, there is some not accepting what you already have, a bit of selfishness there. While Mae was accepting of what she had, loved what she had, all she needed was what she already had, her family. There was selflessness until she was swayed into forcing osha to stay.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/20/2024, 1:35 AM
Also it was messed up that Sol gave Osha his lightsaber when she was a child as a way to connect with her and then at the end , she takes that very lightsaber for herself and bleeds it out as she kills him in a fit of rage due to her misguided yet noble intentions.

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Also it was tragic that the first time she uses the Force in a long time and in the show itself is to kill the man who was essentially her father figure.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/20/2024, 5:57 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Big, operatic tragedy. I dug it.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 7/20/2024, 3:08 AM
I'm sorry but I can't praise the writers for anything on this show. It's a failure from top to bottom. Well to be fair, there are some brief bright spots with somewhat decent fight scenes. But that's more of a credit to the fight choreography team.

Also it's weird how with movies like Rogue One starring a woman and mostly multiracial cast you don't hear about themes like "sexism" or "racism" Why? Because they managed to write a good coherent story with good characters not avatars of certain ideologies, or self inserts.

And they sure as shit didn't hire writers from the shallow end of the fanfic pool.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 7/20/2024, 10:18 AM
@DarthOmega - preace. this showrunner is a complete f*cking moron and clearly had an agenda which really ruined what could have been a great show. f*ck this lady
TheLobster
TheLobster - 7/20/2024, 3:11 AM
How does Kathleen Kennedy still have a job? [frick]ing hell
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