Is Mr. Sinister in X-Men Origins: Wolverine?

Is Mr. Sinister in X-Men Origins: Wolverine?

The 'Wade Wilson is Weapon XI' news didn't sit well with me. I searched to disprove it, but only met disappointment in my quest. I did, however, find evidence to prove Mr. Sinister is in "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"

By TheMyth - Mar 13, 2009 03:03 AM EST

Earlier this evening, I viewed an article: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scoops/news/?a=6590 --the news that Wade Wilson a.k.a. Deadpool was also Weapon XI.

This news had me heated. How could they do this after all the greatness they've given us. Until I'd read that, I was sure "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" would be the greatest movie of the year. We all had our doubts at first with all the characters Fox seemed to be cramming in. Then a few characters were tossed in, having nothing to do with Wolverines origin in the comics, characters like Blob, Cyclops, and my personal favorite, Gambit, among others. Admittedly, I didn't care as much the relevance, just the fast I would finally get to see my favorite super hero on film. Immediately I began digging for ways to at least make it acceptable for him to be there. Sabertooth came to mind immediately. As I searched more and watched more previews, I began to form a theory that it was very possible for Mr. Sinister to make a small, yet significant appearance. In the end, all I had were theories and speculation, mostly hope. Now over the past few days, any comic movie fan with an internet connection knows about this Deadpool/Weapon XI fiasco. If your not, refer to the link above. Initially, I was steadfast in my view that this was impossible. It made no sense that Wade Wilson/Deadpool becomes the main powerhouse villain for the movie, Weapon XI. I won't go through all the holes I found in this tragic plot twist, but it motivated me to dig out everything I could to prove this rumor was a hoax. What I found was that they are indeed going to make Deadpool become Weapon XI. While talking with some friends about how terrible this was and I began tossing around my theories that Mr. Sinister would be featured in the movie at some point. Lucky me, the 2 fellow's I was chatting with, hooked777 and alten2345, where seriously good at finding information once I pointed them in the right direction. What they helped me find is astonishing.

WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT!!!

Since Gambit is my favorite character, I can confidently say I know everything about him, from his origins and dark past to every minor detail of his powers and the various ways he can employ them. Any X-fan worth their salt knows that it was Gambit who gathered the Marauders as a last favor he owned to Sinister. These Marauders than went on to cull the life from the Morlock tunnels beneath New York. Even the X-men took heavy casualties‘, all came to pass due to Gambits dealings with Sinister. One of the Marauders turned out to be someone who Gambit was familiar with, Sabertooth. Also, this wasn't the first time Sabertooth had worked for Sinister. Now we have these 3 characters tied together. As Wolverine has long and deep ties with Sabertooth, these characters are linked to our title character. During one of Weapon X programs successful reboots, several prison/testing facilities were in operation. One of them, the Neverland Facility, a death camp where captive mutants were given a choice, if they were fit, to join Weapon X or die. The facility was under the order and supervision of Head Scientist Doctor Robert Windsor. However, Dr. Windsor is not who he seems, he is Mr. Sinister in disguise, and only one other man knows his true identity, and that is Sabertooth. During his command of this facility, he would hand pick the best potential gene pools and take them to his own personal labs. Now an even deeper connection to Sabertooth is established along with strong ties to Weapon X. Additionally, He operated the Neverland facility while Weapon X members such as Sabertooth, Deadpool, Agent Zero, Sauron, Marrow, and others were active... and since this is the Weapon X program that was started by the U.S. is also the basis for the movie, along with its Weapon XI plot and many of the character choices. Another bonus! I have discovered, however, that the prison labs we see aren't Neverland, it's at 3-mile Island for the movie. That obviously isn't a problem, if they can add Blob to Weapon X, they can shuffle 'Dr. Windsor' to the movies main lab setting.

With these strong ties to the source material, Sinister is actually a credible addition to the cast. Now Gambit is linked through the source material. The ties that bind Sinister and Gambit are much deeper than most people know. I mentioned above how Gambit gathered the Marauders for Sinister as a favor that was owed: Gambit's powers manifested at 14. By the time he was about 20-22 his powers had began to grow exponentially and he was slowly losing his control of them. At this time in his history, he could charge objects with kinetic energy simply by looking at them and as he started to lose his control, objects would just explode randomly around him because of the overflow of kinetic energy his body generated. This made him a danger to those around him as well as making it extremely difficult to hide what he is. He searched his connections he'd gathered as a thief to find a scientist who could help mutants. He was sent to Sinister. Sinister bargained that he would remove a piece of Gambits brain, greatly dampening his power, but keeping it within Gambits ability to safely control. In return, Gambit was to perform a series of jobs, leading to his final job of gathering the Marauders. However, unbeknownst to Gambit, Sinister has been a part of his life far longer. It was revealed in "X-Men: The End" miniseries that Gambit was... DUM DUM DUM... Sinister's son. More accurately, Gambit is created from the combined genetic material of Sinister and Scott Summers, then he artificially inseminated the genetic material into a 'breeder' for gestation. When Gambit was born, Sinister gave him to Jean Luc Lebeau, leader of the Thieves Guild so that Gambit would be raised in a fashion Sinister could use in the future. As a note: Chris Claremont wrote the story that revealed this revelation of Gambits true beginnings. This is significant because Claremont is the creator of both Gambit and Sinister, along with many other X-Men and villains. Now I have discovered how Gambit is tied into the story in the movie. He is the only mutant to have escaped a Weapon X prison lab that Wolverine is searching for. Could 'Dr. Windsor' be the head of science at said prison lab? We don't know yet.

It is basically known to all that Cyclops spent his childhood in an orphanage. This orphanage was another property of a disguised Mr. Sinister. Sinister such locations in carious regions of society so as to elevate his chances of getting more powerful mutants to add to his banks. We also know that Sinister has always had a fixation with the Summers bloodline. It has even been revealed that Sinister has been manipulating his family’s gene pool for many generations. Cyclops is the pinnacle of power and his genes, when spliced with others, grew immensely in power. I personally think that they added Cyclops to the cast after deciding to put Sinister in, knowing that if Cyke was tied to Sinister, the fanboy's would accept it. Since Sinister is one of the greatest geneticists in the Marvel Universe, I wonder if 'Dr. Windsor' has a part in the creation of Weapon XI in the movie? Can you see all these ties to him? It's like a web of deception and he's at its center. Before I unveil the final proof of Sinister's presence in this movie, I want you all to know that there is NOTHING anywhere that even mentions Sinister's name in attachment to this film, therefore, all of the things I've told you above involving him in the story is just speculation and possibility. HOWEVER, if you examine every casting list on the internet for this movie, you will get names for everyone and who they are playing, all the way down to the 2 pilots in the heli Wolvie is clinging to in the preview... with one exception. An Australian actor named Christian Clark. Not only can you not find out what role he is cast for, but he is the only member of the cast under a complete gag-order. This means he cannot talk about this movie to anyone except to say, "I can't talk to you about this movie." The most you can find about this mans involvement is this brief interview:

And that's all you can find about him and this movie. Why is he the only one who cannot say a word. This guy actually screwed up by even admitting involvement! And there you have it my friends! While I must concede that this obviously isn't 100% certain, I am confident that my months of referencing, research, and thumbing through old comics has paid off and I would say I'm at least 98% sure that my hypothesis is correct. This is arguably the X-Men's most deadly adversary, and he has the cunning, calculating intellect, and raw power to always stay one step of the X-Men and often operates from the shadows without anyone the wiser. This character could be weaved through the main plots, added to parallel plots ever scheming. To see him on the screen would be second in greatness only to Gambit.

Special thanks to hooked777 and alten2345 for locating some vital threads that allowed me to finally lock this down.

P.S. I have also heard some whispers of an X-23 Easter-egg!
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theFACE
theFACE - 3/13/2009, 4:06 AM
cool, good work, cant imagine the amount of time you spent on this. you deserve to be right.

Can i just say for those of you that think he's a good pick for the part, it wouldn't take much work on photoshop to add the makeup to that picture of clark, i would do it myself if i had photoshop or was any good at it. just a thought (as a teaser), a little fan art contest perhaps.
soup3161
soup3161 - 3/13/2009, 7:33 AM
That would set up a good Deadpool spin-off, if he lives at the end. I imagine Deadpool would be pretty pissed at the guy who was responsible for splicing his genes and making him look like a freak of nature.
Smolo
Smolo - 3/13/2009, 8:03 AM
Lots of research went into this goodjob. I could see him being him although not in the wierd costume or with fangs or heck even the wierd computer sounding voice (from x-men series) But as a random dude pulling strings Ya. Good Job.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/13/2009, 8:16 AM
Nah i hope He has the pale look, red eyes and fangs..at least in his true form, obviously he would be in disguise if he is in fact in the movie according to the myths description..i too hope your right..but there are already a hell of a lot of characters in this movie..it might be overkill with Sinister too, unless its a very brief cameo to set up future movies
gambitscoat
gambitscoat - 3/13/2009, 8:34 AM
as totally cool as this sounds,its pretty obvious 20th century fox are morons and if they cant even do deadpool right then its seems unlikely that they would go to all that trouble to do all this research to put in mr sinister in that obscure form as it would go over at least 80-90 percent of their potential audiences head and maintsream appeal is obviously what their main aim is,plus it doesnt seem like rewarding the fans is high on their list.
Perrigren
Perrigren - 3/13/2009, 8:44 AM
I would say that you are absolutely right...except that this is a Fox movie and knowing them they could have Wolverine being a geneticist...stupid Fox...But I would love for you to be right, the story fits very well and would actually make sense, great job researching everything and putting it all together
CrookedJaw
CrookedJaw - 3/13/2009, 8:47 AM
@ gambitscoat, do you not understand what this article is saying??? this article is not only proving Sinister's involvement, but showing how this movie is tying in Gambit, Cyclops and even Deadpool's drastic change! and yes, article author, good job, you deserve some sort of award for your research ability, this gives me great hope. It all makes sense, and I love it...lets hope this is the way Fox goes. and I could definitely see Clark as Sinister, he's got the face, the look, everything...keep crossin them fingers though
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 8:51 AM
Wow guys... I am amazed. These are all great ideas. You all have turned some horrible news about a beloved character into a wonderfully thought up synopsis. Fox does not have a great track record, so unfortunately beacause of this, it is a stretch. But the dedication to salvage a disaster, is impressive non the less. There still could be some redemption in all this. Great Job everybody...
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 9:03 AM
I too agree that Clark "could" potray a decent sinister, but if I'm not mistaken in a previous thread, the myth mentioned Kieth David as a casting pick... I thought that was spot on...

The Myth - I don't know what you do for a living, but you have missed your calling. Your dedication and imagination is very impressive... you should be helming everything that is Marvel.

I see a few people on here that bitch about us fans complaining that our beloved characters are being warped into something unrecognisable. I myself remember talk of an x-men movie when I was in elemntary school, for it to take another ten years to produce something. We are now at a day and age where these comic consepts are finally visually possible, and all we want is for those involved to stay faithful. I dont feel like thats asking to much.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 3/13/2009, 9:21 AM
YEAH THE GUY COULD PLAY SINISTER..DO THE MAKEUP RIGHT AND THATS HIM.
Scuzz
Scuzz - 3/13/2009, 9:30 AM
if Sinister is in it i hope they do him justice coz he is my favourite x-villain!

i think it is wierd how everyone is now convinced that deadpool is weapon X1! i for one refuse to believe it! there are 2 things that make me sure i am right! why would fox hire 2 completely different actors to play the same character? its not like he is totaly scarred or unrecocnisable! you can tell its not ryan reynolds! so what, when they were giving him his upgrades they decided to give him some plastic surgery to make him look like a different guy? i dont think so! do you think a movie studio is going to pay a diffarent actor to do a job that the already payed actor is perfectly capable of doing? the second thing is that there is no way a sdudio would let a huge spoiler like this out so long before the movie is released!!

so in conclusion, weapon X1 cannot be deadpool! and sinister could be a nice addition!
Roscoe182
Roscoe182 - 3/13/2009, 9:37 AM
i hope its sinister he look loads like him he wud make a wayyyyy better villian than magneto in the xmen films but thats only cus i think sinister was cool a s hell
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 9:40 AM
I am amazed at all the people saying that deadpool cant be weapon XI because of there being "two actors".

Guys really, I read somewhere that scott adkins was reynolds stunt double... plus I bet the trailor was not designed for screen shots and that scott being seen (ryan not being seen for that matter) was an accident. RYAN RENOLDS HAS A STUNT DOUBLE.
There is a lot of martial art/action in this movie... dont get me wrong, renolds is a great actor, i just think that some of the action is not in his ability range (or too expensive to contract beause I doubt anybody is willing to see ryan get hurt doing something stupid or something he doesnt have too).
CRUSH
CRUSH - 3/13/2009, 9:55 AM
wowzers
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:00 AM
YO PPL MAYBE TRIPLE H CAN PLAY MR SINISTER
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 10:02 AM
um... no
Scuzz
Scuzz - 3/13/2009, 10:14 AM
so you think adkins has been on the CAST list for like ... over a year because he is Reynolds stunt double? how could they then make a DP movie if that is what happens to his character? i truly believe that Hood would not completely destroy this character, when he could create a new character so much more easily! plus they know the fans would never forgive them!

and do you know how much trouble and time they go to to create trailers? it was not an accident that you seen him!!! i would stake my life on the fact that weapon X1 is not deadpool!!

on a side note the character does look pretty cool and i think they should introduce him into the comics!
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:15 AM
THEY SHOULD PUT IT WEAPON Y
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:18 AM
IF IS THE ORIGINS THAN THEY SHOULD SHOW WEAPON Y
AS A CAMEO
Scuzz
Scuzz - 3/13/2009, 10:18 AM
also, did you see the stuff reynolds was doing earlier on in the trailer? with all the spinning? what weapon X1 was doing in the trailer was no were near as dangerous, so why would reynolds be doing the first stunt and not the second?

because it is not deadpool!!!!!!!!!!
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:22 AM
HE NEEDS THE KILLING CANCER FIRST, THAN THE REPLICA OF WOLVERINE HEALING FACTOR WHICH IS NOT PERFECT, THAN HE IS DEADPOOL
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 10:22 AM
Like I said, they are still working on the movie and the CGI. I would put money on the fact that they really wanted to show the "idea" of the character and it got fumbled.
I think the reason why scott got his own character name was to "throw off" the fans. I think because they were in a hurry to show the concept of "Deadpool" that they got sloppy. Its just another idea. I'm with a lot of you on not liking the wilson/deadpool idea. But the evidence is proving that this isnt far off. A lot of you have proved that this idea could still work and be faithful... there is just too much evidence to say otherwise.
gabillo
gabillo - 3/13/2009, 10:23 AM
It would be cool to see Mr Sinister on the movie, but remember that those movies not always follow the original story...
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 10:25 AM
And yes Scuzz, I did notice that. Like I said, it is just another idea.
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:27 AM
IS BULLSEYE GOING OT BE IN THE MOVIE
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 10:28 AM
kencanada - Are you high? What the f@@k are you talking about...
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:32 AM
BULLEYE IS A WEAPON X PROJECT TOO, HOW U HAVE SABERTOOTH, MAVERICK,SLIVERFOX,AND DEADPOOL, AND NOT HAVE BULLSEYE
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:32 AM
YES MAVERICK IS IN THE MOVIE TOO BUT HE HIS GOIN BY HIS ORIGINAL CODR NAME
CrookedJaw
CrookedJaw - 3/13/2009, 10:34 AM
the more and more I think about this, I'm becoming more optomistic...I don't think the director could do that to a character that is so widely adored by fans, and too...if the director has the knowledge of all this Sinister stuff, he obviously has a knowledge of the comics, and therefore wouldn't do that to good ol' Wade Wilson...but, we just have to wait and see...I'm still waiting for any nod that Ryan Reynolds stays through the movie, and does indeed get scarred
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 10:35 AM
I think you need to read your comics again...
Every1Hooked
Every1Hooked - 3/13/2009, 10:35 AM
i did good? lol.....thanx for posting this..
the australian guy could be sinister
when i posted that pic of him and found out he was playing a pretty big character i was happy
he looks like he could be a badass sinister
but he may play professor Xavier
someone pointed that out

but who knows?

he looks like a great sinister
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/13/2009, 10:38 AM
Just because his spine is laced with adamantium, doesnt mean he got it from the weapons plus program.
Smolo
Smolo - 3/13/2009, 10:42 AM
Well this should be better the anything Loeb writes. Jerk destroyed the Ultimate universe because he can't write for crap. Last decent thing he wrote was Batman/Superman several years ago.
adamant877
adamant877 - 3/13/2009, 10:43 AM
Great job on the article! It's refreshing to hear someone with some actual background knowledge put their two cents worth in there, and make sense for a change!
I surely hope that you're correct, it would only tie everything together, and hell... maybe even add some credibility to the seemingly nonsensical additions to the background story!
You deserve some credit for your hard work and persistence, that's for sure!
kencanada200x
kencanada200x - 3/13/2009, 10:46 AM
HOW DID HE GET HIS HEALIN FACTOR
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