Why the hating on X-Men: First Class AND Bryan Singer?

Why the hating on X-Men: First Class AND Bryan Singer?

I've seen so much hating on the X-Men franchise since The Last Stand, that I wanted to say something about it.

Editorial Opinion
By PaulRom - Mar 02, 2011 12:03 PM EST
Filed Under: X-Men: First Class




First of all, I'd like to talk about the hatred on the upcoming X-Men: First Class movie. I have to say, first of all, that my expectations aren't high on this, and the trailer ultimately raised my expectations a bit. But the expectations I did have were watered down by consistent insults, like Fist A$$. Is that really necessary for a movie that hasn't come out yet? (and, until less than a month ago, we haven't seen any footage of it.)

I mentioned this in my article about Green Lantern, and I'll say it again: Don't judge a movie by its marketing and/or early footage. Wait until the movie has come out and you've seen it before making early verdicts about it. I've just seen sooooooo many nasty remarks about these two movies, and they're not really out yet. "The costumes look fake." Why the hating?




And while we're on the topic, I'd like to say something about Bryan Singer (who directed the first two X-Men movies and produced First Class). A lot of people have been hating on him, but why? The first two X-Men movies had great success with the fans (especially X2), but after X3 everyone started hating the franchise. Even more hating came about after X-Men Origins: Wolverine. And, if all the early remarks about it are true, First Class will also receive much hating. But coming back to X3 and Origins, why hate on Singer of all people? He left X3 to work on Superman Returns, and he wasn't at all involved in the making of Origins. Why hate on someone who wasn't involved with the hated movies? Might as well blame George Washington for causing the Civil War.

Well, those were some thoughts I've had on the current popularity with the X-franchise. Final words on it: wait until you've seen a movie before you say it sucks or rocks. There's no other way to offer a clear, open-minded opinion on a movie until you've seen it.
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CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/2/2011, 12:55 PM
you know, man, you bring a very good point. I didn't see NEARLY the amount of hate for the first two X-Men films back then. In fact, they were both considered fantastic movies by many, many fans.

It wasn't until X-Men 3 came out that people really started hating on Singer and the franchise. Which is funny, because Singer didn't do the third one.

The same can be said about Spider-Man 3. The first 2 were fantastic movies, and most fans thought the same. It wasn't until Spidey 3 came out that people started bashing the whole franchise.

Its like if the latest movie isn't that great, then people all of a sudden forget how good the previous ones were.

Its just funny, because with all the hate that gets spewed about those two franchises, X2 and Spidey 2 are still considered to be two of the best CBM's by a LOT of people on this site, and everywhere else. Go figure.
CBMDeadpool
CBMDeadpool - 3/2/2011, 12:58 PM
Agreed. Bryan Singer made two very good X-Men moves, and a really really bad Superman movie. He took a superhero movie and made it a sci-fi movie with X-Men and that proved to be the formula that worked on screen. His haters came out of the woodwork after Superman Returns, which even I agree in a horrible movie. I enjoy the first two X-Men films a lot. I have em on DVD, as do I 3 and that's gathering dust. I don't think bashing this movie is doing anyone any good. It's defiantly a totally different feel and a different style, a different way of filming. Matthew Vaugn directed Kick ass for god's sake. Let that ramp your expectations a bit. Do not drop all hands on First Class because Bryan Singer is producing it. Embrace the fact he is, he make X1 and X2 and he made them very well.
luckylu
luckylu - 3/2/2011, 1:05 PM
your argument is definitely valid but heres my side. waiting to see the movie to pass verdict just makes it a regular judgment not an early one. trailers are supposed to be the thing that says "hey this is what you can expect". So to go ahead and pay for the movie means you accept it and support future attempts.

On the hated for the first X movies and singer? What happened (imo) is that we were finally introduced to what a quality super hero movie can look like: Watchmen, Iron man. Incredible Hulk, Batman Begins. and on doing so realized that the X movies have just been pathetic and disrespectful to the fans. again all this is just my opinion. Good article though these questions do need to be asked


Stumblin
Stumblin - 3/2/2011, 1:08 PM
I was never really a fan of the first one, it had its moments but the dialogue sucked something terribly. And Halley Barry's half assed acting didn't help either.
ironpool007
ironpool007 - 3/2/2011, 1:34 PM
I liked 1 and 2 when they came out until I rsearched the comics more and discovered how much the movies pointlessly changed. As for First Class, I dnt want to give it a chance. I've seen and read enough about it, that I know it just messes up stuf from the comics even more. For that reason I don't want to go and pay to see it, because that just tells Fox it's ok to make more of them. The only X-Men movies I want to see are ones made by Marvel Studios.
Exiles
Exiles - 3/2/2011, 1:42 PM
hate it or love the first 2, bryan singers x-men movies made other studios pay attention comic books as serious material,so this whole craze was started by singers x-men, it started the "super hero" genre, I am not supporting fox but sadly with out them you wouldn't get these fantastic super hero CBM's. I would still like to see the x-men franchise back at marvel, even then its going to be a long wait before they reboot the franchise. So we have a long wait.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 3/2/2011, 1:57 PM
@luckylu I didn't think about that, thanks for bringing it up.
LP4
LP4 - 3/2/2011, 6:17 PM
BrIan Stinker sucks. Killed Superman. And for the record, his X-Men films weren't nearly as good as they COULD HAVE been. I still say none of the X-Men films that came out were any good.
ispeakdtruth
ispeakdtruth - 3/3/2011, 6:28 AM
I am sorry I hated all of the X Men movies. In fact, I didn't care to see all of it until 3 years later. The actors were all horrible.

1) Rogue, what sexual favor did she do to win that part? She doesn't even look like Rogue. Rogue is suppose to be beautiful, tall and with a slamming body.

2) Cyclops, should I really talk about this guy?

3) Just thinking about this movie pisses me off; therefore, I will just get to my conclusion. The Xmen franchise was horrible cast.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/3/2011, 7:36 AM
@ ispeaktruth

I guess you've never seen True Blood, because Anna Paquin most definately has a slammin body. They just didn't show it off in the x-films. mostly because she plays a teenager.
Knight
Knight - 3/3/2011, 9:16 PM
I greatly enjoyed X-Men 1 and 2. Singer did fantastic work. However, from what I have seen of X-Men first class and reading the info on it, I'm not impressed. Especially the lame casting (An Xavier with hair? Puh-leeze!)

As for Bryan Singer, hard to respect a man who abandoned X3 for Superman Returns. Singer should have directed X3. Maybe then it would have done a lot better, but instead he jumped ship for Superman only to give us yet another Superman film failure.

That's why I don't like Bryan Singer.
CoolioVids
CoolioVids - 3/4/2011, 9:49 AM
I am not judging it on the trailer Im judging it on its predecessors (Last stand and origins) Have they acknowledged the fact that those movies were not up to "good" standards?
fullmetal
fullmetal - 3/4/2011, 12:09 PM
this isn't rocket science morons. i'll break it down so your small brains can learn...

1. singer makes a masterpiece, the usual suspects. we love him. makes apt pupil with ian mckellen, another good film.

2. singer makes x1 and x2. he makes some changes to the story but overall, the essence of x-men are still in tact. they are good movies.

3. singer makes a bad career move making superman returns. takes the actor that plays cyclops with him to play the most worthless role in his life, lois lanes husband. The consequences of this are the destruction of 2 franchises, as x3's story is ruined without cyclops and superman returns is a downer.

4. the x men franchise is in turmoil, with poor reviews of origins wolverine.

5. announcements are made that a story of the original team is in the works called first class. WE ARE ALL THRILLED, ESPECIALLY SINCE WOLVERINE WON'T BE AT THE CENTER. CYCLOPS AND JEAN WILL GET MORE ATTENTION.

6. announecment that singer is returning to x men. people are happy. all are hopes are realized.

7. SINGER REWRITES THE FIRST CLASS STORY WITHOUT CYCLOPS AND JEAN AND TOTALLY PULLS HIS OWN STORY OUT OF HIS ASS. KEEPS THE TITLE OF FIRST CLASS BECAUSE HE IS AN IDIOT.

8. SINGER DISGRACES ALL X MEN FANS WITH HIS "UNIQUE IDEA" AND ALL HOPES FOR THE X MEN FRANCHISE BEING REPRESENTED LOYALLY ARE THROWN DOWN THE TUBE.

9. MANY REALIZE THAT IT'S SINGER THAT HAD THE SINGLE HAND IN DESTROYING THE X-MEN FILMS, not bret ratner!!
MONTEZ
MONTEZ - 3/4/2011, 12:38 PM
Did you not see the trailors for x3 and origins? The trailors looked great, and the movies were crap. Fox does a great job of putting out mis-leading trailors, maybe that is why people are still not buying into this film. We have been fooled too many times already. The first two x-films were ok, not great. Singer did an ok job. He did not use cyclops enough, turned rogue into a cry baby. You make it seem like the first 2 x-films were pure greatness, they were not. Yes they made plenty of money, and made other studios look at comics but the films were not all that great
kriswone
kriswone - 3/4/2011, 1:56 PM
EIGHTEEN

I concur with fullmetal.
CapFan79
CapFan79 - 3/4/2011, 3:30 PM
@fullmetal You forgot #10. BOOM. Winning!

Nicely put! The first X-Men was pretty good but kind of sloppy too. X2 was better but it has "Singerisms" that have since continued to show up in his films and what he's done to First Class is the nail in the coffin!
fullmetal
fullmetal - 3/6/2011, 7:12 PM
here comes movietheaterfag to defend his love for "Batman and Robin" type crap.

this degenerate will accept anything, even if Powdered Toast Man became an x-man, he would justify the perversion as some unique genius on behalf of the film makers and look at loyalist as "close minded." he is an utter fool, especially bringing up homophopia out of no where from left field...

movietheaterfag, no one cares if Singer is gay, we care that he made unwelcomed changes to an already great story.

this ass...can you imagine if Lord of the Rings was turned upside down like fox has with x-men? what if Peppy was the one chosen to destroy the ring and legions of LOTR fans proclaimed their anger at this? Movietheaterfag, like the yes man and follower he is, would say, "c'mon you fanboy losers, have an open mind." well to him i say, "C'mon you degenerate, don't stand for nothing follower, stand up for something or else you'll fall for any thing!!!!"

homophobia LOL...what an ass
gdub
gdub - 3/7/2011, 5:42 PM
I don't hate Singer for his work with X-Men. I respect him for it. What I hate him for is leaving X-Men so Ratner could ruin it. And he left so he could ruin Superman. My 2 favorite superhero franchises were ruined by him whether it was directly or indirectly. And now he is going back to direct X-Men First Class with no Cyclops, and a Professor X with hair. I promise that even if this movie wins an oscar for best film, I will never see it. I'm tired of Singer ruining my heroes.
psychoj867
psychoj867 - 3/8/2011, 3:46 PM
First of all none of the X-men movies have done the X-men justice. It has been a troubled franchise right from the get go. Bryan Singer and his hack writers screwed up a lot of the casting, backgrounds, origins, relationships/connections and most importantly the looks of most of the characters.

Yes they made money but that doesn't mean that they were great. Most of the people that praised those films had never read an X-men comic.

Was it really that difficult for Singer and his hack writer buddies to open an X-men comic and at least get the looks of the characters right?

Also, in one interview he said he viewed X-men as practice for Superman. But after Superman Returns was viewed by Warner Brothers as less than adequate, Singer gave another interview where he said He felt he was a perfect fit for X-men and returning to X-men was like coming home. Why the flip-flop? How about just being honest and saying I tried to make a good Superman film, but I failed so I'm going to give screwing up X-men another try.

@movietheaterlad I completely disagree with you. Why the hell would we want to see an alternate universe X-men anyway?

Also the whole homophobia thing is out of line. Him being gay has nothing to do with his skills as a director. I don't think Ian McKellen's casting as Magneto was part of a hidden agenda. He is a talented actor people loved him as Gandolf in LOTR, So I don't know where you came up with any of that.

Bryan Singer needs to just stop making cbms all together. And that goes for any film maker that doesn't want to take the time to do the research and give us faithful and accurate representations of the characters we love
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