Do we really need ANT-MAN?

Do we "need" any of this?

imagine this during the 60's- 70's after the death of Edwin Jarvis, pym as a gesture to good friend Howard Stark creates a blueprint AI programme that he calls project Ultron using his own brain patterns, as a way to keep the memory of Jarvis alive. Latter Tony Stark Develops it even further into JARVIS who then is corrupted and using the name that was originally designated to it, calls himself Ultron.

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JARVIS isn't becoming Ultron, JARVIS is becoming Vision. Paul Bettany confirmed it at SDCC.

I honestly don't see any changes whatsoever. They just made his days as a hero in the 60s and technically Ant-Man was a hero in the 60s. Scott Lang was his predecessor. Hope Pym/Van Dyne is his daughter. And Janet is most likely going to be his wife/ ex-wife who was Wasp with him in the 60s. I bet he made the early design for Ultron too. They showed in Cap 2 that A.I.'s were existent in the 40s so he could've made at least the designs for Ultron. Tony stumbles on them and bam! He updates them and creates Ultron. Without Hank Ultron wouldn't have existed.

And nothing Marvel does is pointless. Everything they do builds up to something else in their universe, whether we know it or not.

I mean shit, i'm as big a comic book fan as you'll meet andi have no desire to see this...

We need an Ant Man movie but starring Hank and Janet,
And having them be part of the current Avengers.

I think Ant-Man will be a prominent figure in the MCU. I think he's needed.

We need a Thanos: Infinity Quest movie

I do think Ant-Man is needed in the MCU. We need more science, because i love the science aspect with in comic book films and i want to see more of that. I honestly don't mind the change's that are happening with the film, sure there questionable decisions but the thing is you have to ask yourself, will the decisions that the studio, writer's and the director has made will it all pay off or will it all come crashing down.

I'm really hoping that Ant-Man will succeed because i do like Hank Pym and Scott Lang. I especially loved Hank Pym when he was the leader of "The Mighty Avengers".

I don't think we need Scott Lang, he brings nothing to the table. All he will be able to do is shrink and communicate with ants. Both of which he has no clue as to how it works or how to use them without Hank. There will be no Giant Man, no Goliath, no Yellowjacket. Each Hank Pym persona brings with it a plethora of stories and ideas. That is all gone with their Hank Pym casting. Hank Pym as a character allows Marvel to explore so many different things. He could have bridged the gap between science and magic, allowing for Doctor Strange, Black Panther, explaining the infinity stones and space science. Not only could Hank shrink small enough to slip into different dimensions he could grow so large he could communicate with celestials. He is constantly inventing gadgets and weapons. He was the Scientist Supreme. With Lang we are stuck with a dumb, criminal, dead-beat father who uses somebody else's inventions to do things half as well as the inventor himself could. This whole movie is a [frick]ing JOKE. I only wish Marvel kills off Scott Lang and Hank Pym and Hope in this film and has a young Hank and Janet time travel to the future to join the Avengers. But even then it would be a [frick]ing waste of a first film, a waste of Yellowjacket, Hank's best persona. A lot of the changes Marvel has made in their films does not bother me, but after all I have heard about this film, I have no faith at all.

This film is going to make more money than you all think. It will probably be better than we think. People liked Thor TDW for some reason and it made mone and it's a really bad movie. Ant Man will be fine. It will be more accurate than we think. It will be good.

Much as I hate making such a blanket statement, I'm going to do it anyway.

No one cares about Ant-Man. Think about that statement.
Not even a full one percent of movie-goers have read GotG, and they still go see it anyway, despite not knowing ANYTHING about the characters, apart from what the trailers told them. I know I haven't.

With that information, do you think these same people give a f*ck about changes to Ant-Man?

Now let me play devil's advocate for a moment and talk about some of these drastic changes. And they ARE drastic.

They kind of center around the choice decision to make Hank Pym Michael Douglas. I love Michael Douglas - Romancing the Stone is one of my favorite movies... and I don't really have a lasting interest in Henry Pym. Be that as it may, you would either have Janet be his wife with an age gap more extensive than Douglas and Zeta-Jones... or you'd have something completely different.

Janet is probably everyone's LEAST favorite Avenger. Considering how un-popular Ant-Man is, that's saying something. Even so, I understand what it means to completely eliminate a character simply because of a change to another one - and if I were a feminist, I'd be kind of arbitrarily pissed about it.

Hank lost his wife in events taking place before his first appearance. Had nothing to do with his work, but all the same, it affected him a great deal. There's that element. Not too long ago, right before and after I stopped reading comics, Janet was killed in Secret Invasion (in a very poorly-handled way of having skrull-Hank give her a special formula that would help her change her size faster and easier, but was actually making her into a giant bomb - so Thor basically teleported her someplace else.) After that, Hank was having his own problems dealing with Janet's apparent death, and took the Wasp identity while also getting a little serious with Jocasta - who was actually based off of Janet.

In this movie, we're told, Hank Pym lost Janet in an accident which, with the help of Darren Cross, ruined him in the scientific community. Their daughter, more or less an original character, may or may not have attributes of Janet from the comics, as well as Cassie Lang (considering Cross is holding her hostage, those two have a lot in common as being a motivator for both Ant-Men).

Darren Cross himself is so obscure, I had never heard of him up until the announcement. He might be a blend of a bunch of characters, like Egghead meets the Yellowjacket identity that Pym went crazy with in the 70s. We're seeing another Obidiah Stane with Iron Monger, to be sure, but hopefully he'll be more hands-on.

So now that I'm done flexing my nerd muscles, let's go back to the most important part of any of this - the general audience doesn't care. Doesn't mean you shouldn't, but it also means that unless the film actually stinks, it won't make a difference.