MCU Rumor Round-Up: Kang To Doom Transition; ALPHA FLIGHT Plans, SPIDER-MAN 4 Plot, & More - Possible SPOILERS

MCU Rumor Round-Up: Kang To Doom Transition; ALPHA FLIGHT Plans, SPIDER-MAN 4 Plot, & More - Possible SPOILERS

Some more MCU-based rumors have been doing the rounds online, and we have (possible) updates on several upcoming projects, including Avengers: Doomsday and Spider-Man 4...

By MarkCassidy - Sep 11, 2024 10:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

We have another round-up of Marvel Cinematic Universe-based rumors from Alex Perez's Discord Q&A here, and you'll find some intriguing (possible) updates on several upcoming projects.

The Cosmic Circus scooper has built a strong track-record, but there is a lot of speculation and guess-work here, so we're focusing on the more substantial and solid rumors he shares in the lengthy post (you can have a read through the full thing here for more context).

Though these are just rumors for the time being, beware of potential spoilers from this point on.

We'll start with one of the most highly-anticipated event movies in quite some time, Avengers: Doomsday.

Perez doesn't think we will see the real Kang again following Jonathan Majors' firing, but in response to a question wondering how "they’ll justify the switch from Kang to Doctor Doom as the Multiverse Saga’s main villain," he mentions Rabum Alal.

In Jonathan Hickman's acclaimed New Avengers run, it was revealed that the mysterious figure known as Rabum Alal was actually Doctor Doom all along. In the story, the leader of the Black Swans was believed to be causing Incursions in an attempt to destroy the Multiverse (it was later revealed that he was actually trying to save the Multiverse from the Beyonders).

Could Robert Downey Jr.'s take on Doom be introduced as a Kang Variant calling himself Rabum Alal and eventually follow this same arc, perhaps?

When it comes to Loki's potential involvement in the next Avengers movies, Perez believes the God of Mischief will have "more of a MacGuffin role," and doesn't expect Tom Hiddleston to stay on as the character post-Secret Wars.

Moving on to Spider-Man 4, and Perez claims that the movie will have a "blend" of street-level and Multiversal elements. He has also heard that there are plans for the Maggia crime syndicate and Hammerhead, but isn't sure if they'll be introduced in this next movie. As for the spell that Doctor Strange cast at the end of No Way Home to make the world forget that Peter Parker exists, he believes it will be "explored more, and eventually broken."

Previous rumors have claimed that Spidey will come into contact with Venom (or at least, the Symbiote) in Spider-Man 4, and Perez mentions that this is becoming "an increasingly high possibility."

Perez had an interesting response to a reader wondering, "What sort of role can we expect the Thunderbolts* characters to play in Avengers: Doomsday, as allies of the Avengers or as hindrances for them?"

Alex: "The New Avengers."

There will almost certainly be other members, but will this ragtag group form the basis for the next incarnation of Earth's Mightiest Heroes?

Finally, Perez believes there are plans in place to introduce Alpha Flight. This isn't the first time we've heard that the Canadian superhero team might show up in the MCU, but it's been a while since we had any updates - official or otherwise. If this does happen, any Alpha Flight-based project would likely tie-in with the X-Men reboot.

Worth a mention: When it comes to further exploration of the cosmic corner of the MCU, Perez has heard that the Annihilation Wave and the Shi’ar Empire are being discussed. He also backs-up previous rumors that a fifth solo Thor movie is in the early stages of development.

What do you make of these latest MCU rumors? Let us know in the comment section down below.

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FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 9/11/2024, 10:07 AM
It’ll be interesting to see(if Alpha Flight happens) if they discuss Northstar’s sexual orientation, and how that will be received. Lest we forget that was a character trait revealed by Marvel over 30 years ago, and not a new “woke agenda”. Not trying to spark a crazy debate here, just curious how that plays out. 🤔
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/11/2024, 10:44 AM
@FrankenDad - it'll be front & center.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 9/11/2024, 11:44 AM
@FrankenDad - you mentioned Northstar’s orientation, what about Bobby Drake’s? I’m sure that’s a conversation that’ll be had before casting
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 9/11/2024, 1:18 PM
@FrankenDad - Awww GAY!
The1st
The1st - 9/11/2024, 3:07 PM
@FrankenDad - It would, but I'd prefer they figure out the X-Men and X-Factor first before moving into other government mutant teams. If only to shamelessly fancast...

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/11/2024, 10:20 AM
I’m sure they are a bunch of discussions & such happening at Marvel Studios that may or may not ultimately come to fruition (something like Alpha Flight might even be a show which they have said they are developing more then they might make which happens all the time in tv).

Anyway , Loki having a McGuffin role makes sense since he’s literally keeping the Multiverse together so it would make sense that Doom would want him for his goal (this and the Spidey spell sound like him making educated guesses to me).

Also , I’m on board with the Maggia or Hammerhead being in Spidey 4…

If not as the main villains , you could have them in the prologue as baddies Spidey takes on even!!.

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thewanderer
thewanderer - 9/11/2024, 10:31 AM
@TheVisionary25 - based on rumors of Doom wanting a singular timeline, he may be setting out to kill Loki.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/11/2024, 10:43 AM
@thewanderer - I haven’t heard that but could be possible in regards to whatever this Doom’s motivation is

However RDJ said “new mask , same task” so in his mind he’s likely saving the Multiverse it seems so idk if that would make sense then since there would be no Multiverse.
RedFury
RedFury - 9/11/2024, 12:35 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Vince Vaughan as Hammerhead would be great. Especially after seeing him doing some serious films as of late. He's a beast of a man, funny, and can do serious; he'd be a great pull.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/11/2024, 12:38 PM
@RedFury - yes sir!!.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/11/2024, 10:24 AM
Love that RDJ is now the evil dr. doom. Dude will kill it

It's his apposite of the good-guy Iron man (thoI.M. did kioo a bunch of peopr in his 1st take/
Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 9/11/2024, 10:26 AM
Finally short kings will get justice! Puck is coming.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 9/11/2024, 10:28 AM
Rabum Alalis a very convulted story. I think that is a lot harder to execute with the time they have left. You would have had to have him running around as Rabum Alal for a few movies. The easiest path here is at the end of FF, Doom shows up and kills all the Kang's. They are going to do that Doom is trying to save the multiverse but it would be too confusing to do Rabum Alal I think.

The MCU doesn't know who Doom is so there is no reason for the other identity. They need the time to get us to know Doom himself. TB as the New Avengers is unlikely because we already know Sam is being tasked to rebuild them. I'm also not sure there is an actual proper Avengers team. They don't have time. Doom will probably face off against pockets of heroes across the MCU. I guess I can see the TBs play a part in that but they don't have a single big hitter on the squad unless they beat Sentry and he joins them.

With Spidy, Sony seems determined to ruin it so I expect it to be a mess and Tom to retire after the Avengers movies.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 9/11/2024, 10:31 AM
this is all i hear....

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/11/2024, 10:35 AM
I hope they have more than just a concept of a plan.. lmao last night was amazing. Make Pennwise small
mountainman
mountainman - 9/11/2024, 10:39 AM
Annihilation has to be a big story. It can’t be told well in a single 2 hour movie. If they had actually fleshed out the cosmic side better they could have built to this.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/11/2024, 10:51 AM
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@hainesy - How about have Wolverine go to Canada and link up with Alpha Flight, while X-Force is created, featuring X-23, Cable, Domino, Deadpool?


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The1st
The1st - 9/11/2024, 3:10 PM
@KennKathleen - I love Domino and Zazie Beets, but they really overthought that one.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/11/2024, 4:50 PM
@The1st - Agreed. Perhaps they could make it as if Brad Pitt was really doing a lot of background assistance, because he's infatuated with her... type sh💩t.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/11/2024, 10:54 AM
Then using the Rabum Alal persona is interesting because I remember reading an interview that likened the whole scenario to Kang

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𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 -- 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐑𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐓𝐮𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐊𝐚𝐧𝐠. 𝐑𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐓𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐑𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐓𝐮𝐭, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐢𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐊𝐚𝐧𝐠. 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐊𝐚𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐢𝐦𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐈𝐦𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐬.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/11/avengers-villain-finally-revealed-in-new-avengers-30

However given that this necessarily isn’t time travel but dealing with variants…

I wonder if this Doom has conquered his universe or world with the Black Swans if we get them and now has become aware of the multiverse possibly being at an end hence he sets out to “save” it?.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 9/11/2024, 10:59 AM
Having the spell be broken would be a cop out to be honest. But with Secret Wars on the horizon everything will get rebooted anyway.

Strong yes to Spider-Man having side battles with street crime foes. I'm really interested in who the villains will be. I find it amusing that Marvel "allegedly" wanted James Wann afford Spider-Man 4 now we are getting Dustin? Is it possible that they might have reached out to them to handle Mr. Negative?

Lastly, I just picked up the Alpha Flight omnibus in addition to at least 5 volumes of Uncanny X-Men. It's going to be a fun ride! 🥹
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 9/11/2024, 11:01 AM
OT but if there's any comic book readers out there pick up Avengers: Twilight! Great graphic novel and I could totally see them making a film out of that one day.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 9/11/2024, 11:29 AM
"Finally, Perez believes there are plans in place to introduce Alpha Flight.." Please be true. I've been waiting for an Alpha Flight movie for years.

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SethBullock
SethBullock - 9/11/2024, 11:29 AM
Would the Rabum Alal Kang variant look like this?:

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S8R8M
S8R8M - 9/11/2024, 12:18 PM
@SethBullock - 🤣🤣🤣🤣
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 9/11/2024, 11:31 AM
I've thought about it and believe they should move on from post-credit scene's and start doing 10-15min shorts at the end of movies to tell what's needed instead of a quick little thing...
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/11/2024, 12:15 PM
@BraxtonHicks - it'd be a nice gesture in unexpected small doses. Perhaps every end phase.
RedFury
RedFury - 9/11/2024, 12:39 PM
@BraxtonHicks - I remember a time where they were talking about doing shorts at the beginning of some of the MCU films, and I was so pumped for this idea but it just never happened. I would love to see them do this at the end of the films, especially if they could introduce us to some upcoming characters. You could show their origin in a short, and get right into their story the next time they show up.
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 9/11/2024, 12:40 PM
@KennKathleen - instead of stretching out this expected cameo, why not flesh out a story arc over the course of 10 movies with small shorts, show what's really coming...
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 9/11/2024, 12:41 PM
@RedFury - exactly, Werewolf by Night was awesome, why not do shorter things like that at the end of movies...
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/11/2024, 2:39 PM
@BraxtonHicks - 🙄🤔...like one shots..?
The1st
The1st - 9/11/2024, 3:13 PM
@BraxtonHicks - Or just let it run during the credits. Reminds me of the early days of CD's and how artists had the genius idea to just let the video run right into the next video/track.
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 9/11/2024, 4:19 PM
@KennKathleen - or shorts that continue the same story arc, not one off glorified cameos and nonsense about nothing.
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 9/11/2024, 4:19 PM
@The1st - aw, the good ol' days of glory
Order66
Order66 - 9/11/2024, 11:47 AM
Been saying this since No Way Home, Spider-Man 4 needs to be street level with Kingpin, Hammerhead, Tombstone and the Maggia crime syndicate as the villains for that movie. Sprinkle in Daredevil as well.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/11/2024, 12:19 PM
@Order66 - I believe both can happen in one story. With precise story placement, all areas could be told in a single sitting, setting up various tales for future viewing.

Tobey McGuire: Peter Parker- Spider-Man

Andrew Garfield: Web of Spider-Man

Tom Holland: Spectacular Spider-Man
gulducati
gulducati - 9/11/2024, 12:20 PM
Since so many movies are shot in Toronto, Vancouver anyways, Alpha Flight makes sense.
WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 9/11/2024, 12:23 PM
We don't need another multiverse Spiderman movie

You can still make a billion with

Dardeveil , Punisher and Kingpin as your leads

RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 9/11/2024, 12:39 PM
Keep Thor 5, you've ruined that character and his mythos beyond recognition.

Alpha Flight on the other hand? Yes please!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/11/2024, 6:25 PM
@RitoRevolto - I'm hoping that by a fifth solo Thor outing they mean a reboot.
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