RUMOR: Russo Brothers Scrapped Michael Waldron's AVENGERS 5 Script; Update On Daredevil's DOOMSDAY Role

RUMOR: Russo Brothers Scrapped Michael Waldron's AVENGERS 5 Script; Update On Daredevil's DOOMSDAY Role

According to a new rumour, the Russo Brothers completely scrapped Michael Waldron's Avengers 5 script before starting work on Avengers: Doomsday. We also have news on plans for Daredevil in the movie.

By JoshWilding - Jan 16, 2025 12:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

It's been no easy feat getting the next Avengers movies into theaters. They were originally set to be released in the same year, with Jeff Loveness (Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania) writing The Kang Dynasty and Michael Waldron (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness) tasked with Secret Wars.

Since then, it's become clear to fans and Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige that entrusting the relatively inexperienced Rick & Morty scribes with the Multiverse Saga's final chapters perhaps wasn't the wisest move. 

Jonathan Majors' personal and legal issues combined with the largely negative response to the Ant-Man threequel saw plans to make Kang the Conqueror the MCU's next big bad essentially scrapped. Both Loveness and Waldron were removed from their respective movies, but only after Waldron was tasked with rewriting what then became "Avengers 5." 

With the return of directors Joe and Anthony Russo and writer Stephen McFeely transforming that into Avengers: Doomsday - where Robert Downey Jr. will instead be the lead villain as Doctor Doom - much has been said about how many of Waldron's - and to a lesser extent, Loveness' - ideas will make it into the two-parter. 

Well, according to scooper Daniel Richtman, the Russos completely scrapped Waldron's script and story for Avengers: Doomsday. Everything is being rewritten from scratch and that explains recent chatter about a small delay in getting the screenplay finished in time for when shooting starts this Spring.

Not only does this dismiss the notion that Doom has simply replaced Kang in the story but it should please those who have been unhappy with Waldron's previous MCU work; there's an entire section of the fanbase unhappy with him vilifying the Scarlet Witch, for example. 

In related news, hot on the heels of yesterday's Daredevil: Born Again trailer, Richtman says that Charlie Cox will have a minor role as Daredevil in Avengers: Doomsday. The Man Without Fear has never been one for team-ups so this isn't overly surprising. 

In a recent interview, Joe Russo explained, "There were ideas that we were trying to wrap our heads around that preceded this one, and we just never found the story. I remember calling Steve and said, 'Hey, crazy idea. What do you think if we all go back and do Secret Wars?' You were like, 'F*** no. Absolutely not."

"And then you hung up. And the next morning at 7.30 you called and were like, 'Alright, I have an idea,'" he added, revealing how he and Anthony ended up agreeing to an MCU return. 

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive in May 2027.

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Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 12:17 PM
Waldron did a great job on Multiverse of Madness and Loki. That other dude? Not so much for me as Quantumania was the single worst thing produced by Marvel.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/16/2025, 12:23 PM
@Goldboink - I think Quantumania had some enjoyable stuff in it (though mainly because of Jonathan Majors Kang imo)

I don’t really blame Jeff Loveness though since the movie was reshot and rewritten apparently during production & such for its perceived weaknesses.
JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 1/16/2025, 1:00 PM
@Goldboink - see I don’t see Quantumania as a bad movie, it stayed in the vein of the other Ant Man movies by making Scott kind of a joke who becomes through at the end. All of the Quantum stuff was fun. I like it over what they did to Thor in Love and Thunder his character isn’t supposed to be a joke. And I hate what they did to Scarlet witch in Multiverse of Madness. Those two movies are worse than Quantumania, at least that film was still in line with how they have portrayed Ant Man this whole time.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 1:17 PM
@JonAwesome -
For me it had little to do with how the characters were portrayed and everything to do with the story and all the other characrers. It took me 3 sittings to get through Quantimania and then when it was over I was surprised because the end wasn't much of an ending.

Personally I loved what they did with Scarlet Witch. Having her fall under the sway of the Darkhold made perfect sense. As for Love and Thunder, well, yea, that was awful but not worse than Ant Man for me but I get a kick out of Taika.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 1:18 PM
@TheVisionary25 -
It took a team of incompetents pulling in different directions to ruin Quantummania.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/16/2025, 1:27 PM
@Goldboink - lol perhaps

What was it that ruined it for you if you don’t mind me asking?
DocSpock
DocSpock - 1/16/2025, 3:09 PM
@Goldboink -

Both really bad, but I think the Marvels was by far worse than anything else Marvel has done.

It was an epic disaster

Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 3:35 PM
@TheVisionary25 -
It was a number of things.
- I hated the actress who played his daughter
- The story was weak
- Bill Murray was only there to be Bill Murray
- Most of the action was rote and not part of the plot per se
- Overreliance on all of those CGI beasties
- While his performance was fine Kang was just not that scary of a villain

Basically I was not entertained. Honestly it got to the end and I was, like, That's it?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 3:36 PM
@DocSpock -
The Marvels was bad but I disliked Quantumania more because of the wasted potential.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/16/2025, 3:49 PM
@Goldboink - fair enough

1. I have seen Kathryn Newton in other things that I have enjoyed and while I don’t think her performance was great , I thought she did fine with with the material & direction she had (hopefully she improves for you in another project)

2. I can agree there , I still wish it was still dealing from the fallout if EG where Scott laments the time he missed with his daughter again since he already missed some when he was in jail thus having Jang present him with that as an offer in order to steal the core back from him.

3. Again fair enough , I enjoy Bill Murray lol.

4. The overeliance on CG didn’t bother me but again , to each their own.

5. Maybe not Scary but I enjoyed the performance , found him to be intriguing and wanted to know more but alas wasn’t meant to be.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 1/16/2025, 4:01 PM
@Goldboink -

That makes sense. We expected something epic. We got such crap.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 4:14 PM
@TheVisionary25 -
We all have opinions and most of them are valid. Usually a movie has 10 or 15 minutes to grab me and this one just didn't.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/16/2025, 4:21 PM
@Goldboink - yep

Hey I’m sure there’s a movie you enjoy or got something out of it that perhaps wasn’t for me or vice versa
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 4:40 PM
@DocSpock -
Kang was somewhat of a pussy IMHO but I wasn't even paying much attention by the end.
TheGrayGhost
TheGrayGhost - 1/16/2025, 5:36 PM
@Goldboink - I never saw The Marvels, anything close to being a necessary watch despite being bad?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 5:53 PM
@TheGrayGhost -
No. I seem to remember enjoying it but don't remember a bloody thing except that Beast had a cameo in a post credit scene and Kamala Kahn is a mutant.
JuanRGuijarro
JuanRGuijarro - 1/16/2025, 6:28 PM
@Goldboink - LOL, MOM is one of the worst written content (I refuse to call this a movie) in the MCU. All the Darkhold stuff is just exposition and McMuffin's.
God, the friggin scene with the free replay memory service is one of the most blanant and lame exposition scenes I had the pain to watch
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan - 1/17/2025, 8:18 AM
@JonAwesome - Exactly this. I'd choose to watch QM over Love & Blunder any day! Iron Man 3 or Thor Love & Thunder battling it out for worst MCU movie (Yes, I'd even watch The Marvels over these two!).
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/17/2025, 9:35 AM
@JuanRGuijarro -
To each his own. Exposition is necessary in order to tell a complex story.
JuanRGuijarro
JuanRGuijarro - 1/17/2025, 11:33 AM
@Goldboink - yeah but that was lazy writing at his finest
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/17/2025, 11:45 AM
@JuanRGuijarro - It didn't bother me
JuanRGuijarro
JuanRGuijarro - 1/17/2025, 12:11 PM
@Goldboink - go and watch telenovelas too. is the same level of writing you like
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/16/2025, 12:22 PM
What will be the girl boss, take you out of the movie moments of the Russos' next movies?

Will the Russo character have his husband back?
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 1/16/2025, 12:24 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - They went on one date.
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 1/16/2025, 2:58 PM
@EskimoJ - awww GAY!!
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 1/16/2025, 12:23 PM
Couldn't get enough of Loki, couldn't stand Multiverse of Madness. ⚖️
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 1/16/2025, 12:30 PM
Mcu is a whole unwatchable mess
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 3:38 PM
@Nonameforme -
Then don't watch.

mountainman
mountainman - 1/16/2025, 5:28 PM
@Goldboink - More and more people are doing that. Isn’t the goal of big budget Hollywood productions to get as many people paying to watch them as possible?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 5:33 PM
@mountainman - You seem to object to the whole MCU, including the movies that were wildly profitable and well reviewed. Maybe Feige should reach out to you for notes.
mountainman
mountainman - 1/16/2025, 7:27 PM
@Goldboink - I’ve been clear that I’ve liked GOTG3, No Way Home and D&W. Coincidentally, 2/3 of these are the biggest earners post-Endgame. It seems obvious, when looking at objective metrics like audience sentiment and box office, that the MCU isn’t as popular as 5 years ago overall. So what I said wasn’t my personal opinion, just a summation of these objective facts.

But my comment was more around the “if you don’t like it don’t watch” that you made. I tried to help you realize that if a large enough group of people don’t watch, the studio will stop making the stuff. The goal of any fan should be for the studio to make thing that they AND a large enough group of people to ensure the studio keeps producing things, like it.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/17/2025, 9:39 AM
@mountainman -
That was a response to the blanket statement that "Mcu is a whole unwatchable mess". I'm not familiar with your comment history so I couldn't' apply that context. Certainly they lost their way post Endgame and I have been clear about that but it hasn't been all bad. My fervent hope is that they recover after giving Vicotoria Alanso too much input and get back to making good superheor movies.
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 1/18/2025, 9:39 AM
@Goldboink - it is a whole unwatchable mess. Not trolling or anything but it's a giant mess atm and I can't see them fixing it any time soon
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/16/2025, 12:36 PM
The complete rewrite isn’t really surprising given how much has changed about both Doomsday & Secret Wars , hell we have got an entirely new main villain…

However it would be nice to know more about Loveness and especially Waldron’s scripts for both since I thought the latter especially did well with Loki & Multiverse of Madness.

Honestly I think Waldron tackled the Marvel multiverse the best in his works since it was used as a storytelling tool to examine our main characters such as what makes me them tick or how they could have been of gone down a different path etc.

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Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 3:43 PM
@TheVisionary25 -
Waldron has a much better grasp of character, as exhibited by both Loki and MoM. Quantumania is among the worst at character development of all the MCU movies.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/16/2025, 3:50 PM
@Goldboink - I agree there.

Even though I got some enjoyment out of Quantumania more then You , there really wasn’t much if any development for the characters.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 1/16/2025, 4:39 PM
@TheVisionary25 - It looked good but I wanted something more.
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/16/2025, 12:38 PM
Make mine almost anything but Marvel.
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 1/16/2025, 4:16 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - leave the country, that will undoubtedly make it better
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/16/2025, 12:45 PM
The Russos are making a list of The Message checkboxes, and checking it twice. The critic and fan reviews are not gonna be nice. Russo brothers are coming to Tinsel Town.
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