THE AVENGERS: Original Writer Zak Penn Reflects On Joss Whedon Ousting Him From Movie: "He's A D*ck"

THE AVENGERS: Original Writer Zak Penn Reflects On Joss Whedon Ousting Him From Movie: "He's A D*ck"

Zak Penn wrote a screenplay for The Avengers which Joss Whedon later decided to throw out. Now, he's reflected on the arrogance he encountered while communicating with the filmmaker in the early 2010s.

By JoshWilding - Oct 23, 2023 07:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

Depending on how long you've been a comic book movie fan, you may or may not recall that there was a time when Zak Penn was going to write The Avengers. He penned The Incredible Hulk for Marvel Studios and was then entrusted to assemble Earth's Mightiest Heroes by Kevin Feige and company. 

The news that Joss Whedon - whom Feige had crossed paths with while working on X-Men - would direct the movie surprised many fans when it broke in 2010.

Upon joining the MCU, Whedon quickly decided to write the movie's screenplay and has never been overly complimentary about Penn's work, saying: "There was a script. There just wasn't a script I was going to film a word of."

Penn admittedly has a hit-and-miss track record after working on movies like Elektra and X-Men: The Last Stand, but we'd be remiss not to point out that he's also contributed to hits like X2: X-Men United and Free Guy

In the newly released MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios, the writer reflects on learning Whedon had pushed him out of The Avengers and shared his blunt assessment of the now-disgraced filmmaker. 

"All the other directors we had been talking about, Joss wasn't on the list," he recalls. "I heard he was going to rewrite the script himself. He didn't even want to meet with me - which, by the way, I always call the writer I'm replacing. I feel like that's courtesy."

Assuming Whedon might be uncomfortable about the situation, Penn chose to reach out to him (they'd known each other for a long time and had both graduated from Wesleyan). "He said to me, 'No, it's not awkward for me. I'm rewriting you.' It became pretty apparent that he had less than zero interest in, in any way, having me involved with the movie."

Penn had spent years of his life working on the movie and said to Whedon, "My kids have grown up while I've been working on it. They've all told their friends about it. What's going to happen when their friends are like, 'Your dad didn't work on Avengers?'" To that, Whedon responded, "What's going to happen when my kids think that you wrote half the story?"

As for how he feels about the director now, Penn adds, "I think he's a dick. I think he's a bad person, and it was really surprising. Remember, my bonus is based on my credit. So literally millions and millions of dollars, which is not the issue here, but that just came out of my pocket and went into Joss's pocket."

Ultimately, it was decided that Whedon would get a sole "Written by" credit, though both men shared a "Story by" credit which, ultimately, made neither of them happy.

These comments provide an interesting glimpse into the filmmaker's mindset and the sort of arrogance which was later on full display while he reshot Justice League a movie that, ultimately, went a long way in ending his career. 

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Forthas
Forthas - 10/23/2023, 8:06 AM
" "I think he's a dick. I think he's a bad person, and it was really surprising. Remember, my bonus is based on my credit. So literally millions and millions of dollars, which is not the issue here, but that just came out of my pocket and went into Joss's pocket."

...so of course Warner Brothers hires him to make Justice League. Of course not learning from the past...they now hire another overrated Marvel director who so far has acted...you guessed it like a dick.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/23/2023, 8:50 AM
@Forthas - WBs like dicks!!
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 10/23/2023, 8:10 AM
Yeah, we all realized he’s a d*ck in the following years, but, JW was perfect to set the breezy tone the MCU needed at the time.

But just because you have a gift* doesn’t mean you treat everyone around you like dirt.

*Before you ask what that gift is/was: JW and others like him (Shane Black, for example) are willing to flip cliches and tropes on their head, and do stuff you’re not supposed to do, like be meta and comment on the absurdity of a movie’s or TV show’s scenario.

DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 10/23/2023, 8:37 AM
@NoAssemblyReqd - I tend to see people conflate later MCU trends with Whedon too, just cause Whedon = quips = MCU. But I have seen so many people call the Ragnarok / Endgame style of "serious moment... beat... joke about it" Whedon-esque, when Whedon is more about wordplay and sentence structure. Like, go watch Buffy; the serious moments on those shows are treated DEAD serious.

I'm not saying you have to like his work, certainly not saying the asshole is a good human being, but we are in a place right now culturally where everyone who was a fan of Whedon is ashamed to say it for obvious reasons, while the people who never liked Whedon's work jump on any chance to point out he sucks. Eventually, it will settle down to "He was a dick who wrote some good stuff and some bad stuff."
HollyGolightly
HollyGolightly - 12/4/2023, 9:36 AM
@DalekCraigWasson - I agree with everything you have said here. I'm not ashamed to say I love Whedon's work, though. I don't know the other writer or what he wrote. I don't know what Joss Whedon's motivations were in saying what he said to him in this case. Did it sound nice? No. But, Joss Whedon could have been viewing the job as something inconvenient for him. Sometimes he was called in to rewrite some genuinely problematic scripts, or didn't want to be associated with someone he found offensive, for whatever reason. Without hearing his side of the story, I can't judge him for this. The other "allegations" mostly amount to him being abrupt or emotionally unavailable. Sometimes geniuses who work hard and fast come across that way and don't mean it personally even if it gets taken personally.
Ginley
Ginley - 10/23/2023, 8:10 AM
Zak Penn can't write.

Then again, Joss Whedon can't direct, so Joss shouldn't exactly be throwing stones.
Ginley
Ginley - 10/23/2023, 8:13 AM
@Ginley -

Where's the lie?

"They’d shoot from some odd angle and I’d think, why is the camera there? Oh, I see, because they spent half a million on the set and they have to show it off. It took me completely out of the movie. I was driven bonkers by that illogical form of storytelling."
- Wally Pfister
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 10/23/2023, 8:39 AM
@Ginley - Fair or not, I always think of The Last Action Hero when I see Zak Penn’s name, and I wonder what sort of deal with the devil he made that allowed him to continue to write movies.
Radders
Radders - 10/23/2023, 8:16 AM
Given the other credit's presumably it needed a complete rewrite so Joss did and created a billion dollar movie.

Did he had to be a dick, no but we only have Penn's side of the conversation so he's always going to present himself in the best light - and didn't he get a mention in the credits anyway?

News flash: Hollywood creative is a dick, joining a long and ever growing line
HollyGolightly
HollyGolightly - 12/4/2023, 9:48 AM
@Radders - yep. I'm fine with him being a dick. From all accounts, he never committed a crime against anyone. Some of the complaints sound like sour grapes. And I know screenwriters and I'm not familiar with the practice of calling ousted writers for some sort of postmortem. MAYBE if the new writer is keeping any of the old script, but if that's not happening there's no reason to expect that the new writer will call the former one, or that he'll appreciate a phone call being asked to keep credit.
BringFFtoMCU
BringFFtoMCU - 10/23/2023, 8:21 AM
Wow...people in Hollywood are dicks? I'm shocked.
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 10/23/2023, 8:27 AM
This stuff irritates me, because "he's a dick, a bad person" sounds completely different if you're talking about Whedon yelling at Charisma Carpenter for being pregnant, and, uh, not being super nice when being hired to replace somebody?

Even in Penn's own version of events, I thought Whedon's comeback made sense. If Whedon has been hired by Marvel to top and bottom rewrite it, then it doesn't matter what Penn's kids think or what his bonus will be. Should Whedon have maybe gave a polite courtesy call? Yes. But in terms of not getting credit or having your work thrown out, cry me a river. You wrote X-Men 3 and The Incredible Hulk, and got replaced on both of those as well!

It just bugs me when folks are outed as bad people, and everyone rushes to say, "He took my parking spot one time!" It takes away from the people with legitimate grievances.
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 10/23/2023, 8:38 AM
Bottom line:

Don't trust anyone named, Josh.
TheSkank
TheSkank - 10/23/2023, 9:21 AM
@BillyBatson1000 - Who tf is Josh?
DarthAlgar
DarthAlgar - 10/23/2023, 9:45 AM
@TheSkank - a medicore wannabe "journalist" who has Mickey Mouse's furry black cock wedged so deep in his mouth he gets paid for it.
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