EDITORIAL: The Dark Knight Rises... Or will we let him?

EDITORIAL: The Dark Knight Rises... Or will we let him?

So many criticisms surrounding this movie simply don't make sense considering the little that we've seen, while other attacks on what we have tend to be unfair. Way too many "fans" aren't giving Nolan and company the fighting chance to top the Caped Crusaders last outing. Listed below are 3 major complaints regarding the film, and a brief description of why I personally see them all as arbitrary.

Editorial Opinion
By TCMercado - May 21, 2012 12:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

I still remember coming home from the store after I'd gone out to buy my copy of The Dark Knight. After my compulsive ritual of unwrapping the DVD as neatly as humanly possible, I stuck it on my shelf and began what would become an unhealthy affirmation for the next few years to come; googling news on the sequel. Was Chris Nolan signed on for another? Would the Joker still appear as planned? If so, who would recast Heath? Who else in the rouges gallery would be reintroduced? Would they dig for more lesser known baddies? Was scarecrow still out there pestering the bat? I was even trying to find out what the color schemes would be, (Batman Begins eerily shimmering in deep oranges and browns, while The Dark Knight glowed with a twilight blue). No matter how unreasonable my demands for knowledge were, I let my inner-child turn me into the annoying fanboy I now loathe.

Well, post the following year's Inception hype, me and all of the other Bat-junkies finally began getting some answers, albeit your typical Chris Nolan answers. While these premeditated and carefully worded comments often left us both unsatisfied and even more anxious, knowing Chris we'd take what we could get. Nolan saying anything other than the variously phrased "wait and see" was always enough to shut us up for five minutes, (most of us, anyway).

After silencing those annoying rumors regarding Johnny Depp, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Angelina Jolie, updates began trickling more steadily. From the film's title all the way to the start of shooting, we got our bits of news here and there. While those cameras were rolling however, tensions were at an all time high for people like me. Once or twice I even contemplated the risk of Michael Cain passing before he could finish his final scenes as the fatherly butler. With great anticipation came great irrationality, and when Chris called it a wrap, I felt the gust of relief like no other. It was finally done and in the bag. I almost couldn't believe it. From then on out we were only left with the waiting game, but that's all easy sailing.. isn't it?

Now some of you may have noticed I skipped the many bits of controversy in the midst of all that "news" period, but I felt that it all went without saying. While I personally loved the casting of Tom Hardy and trusted the addition of Hathaway, as well as the gang from Inception, (Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard), I knew there would be negative talk regarding any new roles, and was prepared for the post-Ledger backlash. What did catch me off guard, however, was how far this talk would go, to what degree, and for how long.

Our generation had handed to us the internet; the most ridiculously convenient means of accessing information in the history of mankind. You may have heard of it, and if you're like most people it's a part of your daily life. But while this gift was a blessing, it's also been a curse. One could argue the pro's and con's all day, however it seems to have definitely become an outlet for our inner-child to relentlessly whine and demand. Countless set photos, "leaked" scene descriptions, and various cast implications are constantly distracting us from the fact that in reality, we still no nothing about this film in a cinematic sense, and/or how it's going to pan out on the big screen. I remember after all of the spoiler photos I mistakingly browsed pre-Dark Knight, I thought for sure I'd ruined the movie for myself. But when July of '08 rolled around, I was in the dark as much as anyone else in that theater. Seeing photos of what even appeared to be some key scenes, ended up serving little justice to what the movie would actually look like on film.

This frantic fanboy blogging does get out of hand however, when they slam the film in a sense of finality before it ever sees the light of day. So many criticisms surrounding this movie simply don't make sense considering the little that we've seen, while other attacks on what we have tend to be unfair. Way too many "fans" aren't giving Nolan and company the fighting chance to top the Caped Crusaders last outing. Listed below are 3 major complaints regarding the film, and a brief description of why I personally see them all as arbitrary.

1. The Title

I'll admit, at first I was taken aback. My assumptions post the iconically titled last film [the first to not include "Batman (Something)"] were that the studio would follow suit for the final chapter in the trilogy. They clearly did with their other DC film currently shooting, and so did other studios with their reboots [The Incredible Hulk (2008), The Amazing Spiderman (2012), Man of Steel (2013)]. These more old-fashioned titles just make for a cooler comic book feel, rather than the boring Hollywood stamps prior (Superman, Batman, Spiderman, X-Men, etc.). It's like calling a Bond film James Bond... you just don't. Yes, even these titles are just marketing the hero, but to many and myself, it adds a bit more charm.

So why does the title suck? Well, I'd say if you're like me, it just probably wasn't what you were expecting. Why should we leave it alone? First of all, there's a massive factor in Hollywood we need to get through our heads; CHRIS NOLAN DOES NOT HOLD ALL OF THE POWER. While the studio will give him even more money and freedom after giving them a blockbuster like Dark Knight, it's still hollywood and they need to secure a profit. Movies are funded in a business fashion, therefore execs are always going to give conditions, creative input, and call some shots if it's ever going to be marketed. Does this make them evil? No, it gives them insurance knowing the man they just handed 250 million dollars to will make that money back; a fair concern.

When you make a movie that surpasses a billion dollars the following year of it's release and you're paying for the sequel, you want people to know these movies are connected. Again, this is a pretty reasonable request, and while it may not be the coolest title, believe me, they could tamper in ways much worse. In contrast to a franchise like Harry Potter, the level of recognition is slightly trickier in terms of grabbing the average Joe; and while just about any other title would still remain obvious to most fans as to what it's a sequel to, most people aren't following. Even if the title had Batman, not everyone will assume this is more of that "Dark Night" movie with "Heath Ledges". Simply put; the studio has to assume Bob and Sally are dumb, and shove it in their face. Despite all of this, I still think Rises works. They could have went with something more generic, or even gone and named it The Dark Knight Returns (in fact, I'm pretty confident that title was probably suggested by Warner Bro's), but Chris went with something unique to the film. With Thomas Wayne's lingering question of "Why do we fall?", followed by a sequel where he continues to fall, it only makes sense that our hero finally learns to pick himself back up.

2. The Teaser Trailer

Of all of the complaints, I found this one to be the most mind-boggling. Yes, the teaser used old footage. Yes, the new footage was limited. Yes, the CGI wasn't great for the title sequence, but ladies and gentlemen, (ignoring the fact that this is a TEASE-r), lets wind the clocks back a year... OK, I can't get away with that reference, we actually have to wind them back 5, when the first Dark Knight teaser was released. What we saw was a black screen, cue in the now famous theme, followed by a voiceover dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, summarizing a boiled down synopsis of the film. Batman upped the ante, mob's gone too far, Joker's something worse, and people were going to die. The exposition was all about the theme, escalation! But hey, this trailer showed us absolutely NO footage, gave limited new details, and finished off with a poorly CGI'd logo sequence. But did we mind it then? No, not really. We were all hyped to finally hear The Joker's voice, and for many, this teaser alone cleared Ledger's name for all those who questioned him being casted.

So why did we mind the Rises teaser doing it's share of teasing? It wasn't any different, in fact it was sort of better. I mean, sit and really think about it. Why did we whine? It brought back iconic images from the first two films (appropriate for a full circle conclusion to a trilogy), it hinted Liam Neeson's shadow, and perhaps the tying of those lose ends, it actually revealed brand new footage of the film, and the dialogue did the same as The Dark Knight's teaser, giving us a brief summary and theme setter. Batman left, the city fell, Bane and his forces are rising, Gotham needs it's hero. Not only did this teaser use the same methods, but this one was longer, had more visible work put into it, and lastly, it showed us all what we were begging for... new footage; something he didn't add last time, yet we complained more than ever. As one of our heros was hospitalized and struggled to breathe, Batman was the hero we needed, but apparently not the one we deserved.

3. The Look and Sound of Bane.

This harkens back to a point I made earlier and ironically enough makes the most sense answered by Nolan's famous "wait and see" response, because really guys... just wait and see. Again, how the film/characters come off onscreen is never well-represented by leaked pictures, or even official releases. Am I the only one who remembers the first official photo of Heath as 'the clown prince of crime'? He looked more like Beetlejuice cos-playing as John Wayne Gacy. Even Heath's photo on Empire looked pretty silly, but when we saw him in action it was completely different. Not really a difference I can place, it's just the magic of cinema. They had a vision and it worked, and not because we wanted it to work. Plenty of angry fans were waiting for Heath to mess it all up, and maybe he did for some, but for many it worked. Changing a character isn't anything new, it's what this reboot and the whole franchise is all about; fresh interpretations. Movies aren't comic books, and how closely they tie is at the mercy of who's making the film. If you're willing to put up with Batman looking nothing like he does in the comics, than lets forgive them for doing the same with the bad guys (...like they always have).

In regards to Bane's voice, yes, I've seen the prologue, but lets not forget that executives have seen the whole film. Having said that, I will admit that as cool as I thought he sounded, there were certain words I didn't quite make out, and that it was certainly a challenge. You had to listen very carefully, and probably too carefully for it's own good. Luckily, the film was (and still is) in beta mood, and before the release of the first full trailer, they cleaned it up. But did it really need to be fixed even more? For any who didn't notice, not only was the distortion practically removed fully by the release of the final trailer, but his audio was amped up tremendously in the mix, almost too loud, all in response to those who kept complaining. Was it still hard for people to understand? In terms of complaints, apparently, but I don't have an answer. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how it was difficult to hear post-being fixed the first time, but I can't make any claims that people were just complaining to complain (however, that is exactly how I feel). Regardless of all of the mess, I'm still willing to wait and see how the finished product looks and sounds. I think when all is said and done, a happy medium will have been found. Again, the studios waged 250 million dollars on this production. If there were the slightest doubt it wasn't ready for theaters, they wouldn't release it. And please, don't try and convince me in the comments that "they wont care, people will see it anyway and they'll make their money", because it isn't true. The Dark Knight didn't make a billion dollars opening weekend, it took a year of viewer retention. You wont get that year of success from a bad blockbuster, and you wont get fan retention from an inaudible cast, and the studio knows that.

Closing Thoughts

While these are only 3 of the many complaints floating around, they were ones I felt casted the biggest shadows, while coincidentally making the least amount of sense. Tying this end up to my initial gripe, I feel our frantic info-frenzy is dooming us to an age of mass pre-judgement in the world of film. I believe we demand too much, I believe we get too much, and I believe we're ruining the cinematic experience for ourselves. My opinions on The Dark Knight aside, I think our expectations for the follow up are unmeetable, because the pedestal on which we've placed it's predecessor is artificially crafted from the insanity our own hype-crazed minds. I loved Batman Begins, and it remains my favorite Batman film to date, but I didn't walk into The Dark Knight as a jaded critic. When I went into the theater, I watched the movie as myself, just a fan wanting to see what was next. So what's different this time around? Was it the passing of Heath Ledger? Was it his mass praise by the media? Was it the academy's acknowledgement? Is it just the pressure of a threequel, or is it really Bane and Catwoman that are so terribly paining people? Is it all or none of these things? Again, I don't have an answer, but my theory remains the same. I think the problem is us, and I think we just need to chill out. Come July, it will be interesting to see not only how the film is, but where all of this griping goes from there. I guess whether we like Nolan's famous response or not, we'll just have to wait and see.

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GingerBird
GingerBird - 5/21/2012, 1:00 PM
The only "criticism" of TDKR is from the same 12 people on this website. Everywhere else people are going CRAZY with anticipation. ha, nerds...
alexswake24
alexswake24 - 5/21/2012, 1:11 PM
not true at all i hear it everywhere. even when i was sitting in the theater for the avengers i heard people bitching when the trailer came on. its not unanimously being praised but ur town sounds nice. also i dnt think u can HA, NERDS... us. your on the site too buddy and u opened this article
alexswake24
alexswake24 - 5/21/2012, 1:13 PM
forgot to mention great article. sums it up nice! all these fan boys just need to trust nolan!!!
TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/21/2012, 1:16 PM
I agree that point 1 is a silly whine, but what do you expect from people who get wound up because Cap's ears aren't showing.

Point 2, on one hand, trailers are meant to get you excited about seeing a movie, they are supposed to convince you in 2 1/2 minutes that the movie is worth seeing. Therefor a level of judgment based on a trailer is appropriate. On the other hand, most of us have learned that a trailer is seldom an indication of how good/bad the movie actually is. It's what exactly about the trailer is being picked at rather than the picking of it in general.

Point 3, this is not arbitrary and it is legit grounds for bitching lol. I'm a lenient person with changes. I wasn't on the hate Ledger's Joker bandwagon we all remember pre-TDK. First Class not being the real First Class didn't hurt my feelings and the X-Men are my favorite comic property ever and by a longshot, I'm not a Marvel I'm an X-Man lol. But this is not Bane, it looks nothing like him, not even close. Heath looked like Joker, you can set a pics of Heath and the comic character together and you will instantly see major similarities. Do it with Bane, he has an apparatus over his mouth. It's not gonna ruin the movie for me, but it is too far a stretch from the comic Bane. Even die-hard Batfans have to admit that he in no way has the LOOK of Bane, not even close. So this, I vote, is a legitimate bitch, people are justified in their reservations.

I still get goosebumps during that trailer when Wayne says, "What are you?" *shivers, Bale looked authentically frightened. I hope Hardy can radiate that vibe in his swagger and performance throughout the film, then I can forgive the appearance mishap. I'll be there on the midnight showing to find out, because I'm able to look past my personal gripes to enjoy a badass comic character in live action!
alexswake24
alexswake24 - 5/21/2012, 1:19 PM
that isnt wayne saying that thats a random guy in the stock exchange place. take a 2nd look, not remotely christian bale
alexswake24
alexswake24 - 5/21/2012, 1:28 PM
& i would say #3 is silly too. none of the characters look the same side by side. he changes them for the story. we dont know much about the story yet but i know scarecrow who looked nothing like the comic worked. i know ras al ghul looked nothing like the comic and worked. im sry, but the joker looked nothing like the comic other than what colors he wore and it still worked. its all about story
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/21/2012, 1:37 PM
@TheMyth I am a Bat-Fan, and I will say if they had compiled the comic book look Banee and put that on film, that would have a crazy decision, just look at how he looked on Batman and Robin and you could argue that was faithful in terms of looks.

Bane's character looks to be spot on, he is clever and a brute someone who challenges Batman, both mentally and physically. For me, most of the people I have seen complaining about Bane, have put up pictures of a Bane that looks more like the Hulk, than Bane from the Knightfall story arc.

@Alexswake24 I would say your theater is horrible as when i have watched films with the TDKR trailer it has been very positive, will always get the losers who hate something because one is Marvel and one is DC. Just looking at Youtube and its likes to dislikes ratio it is defo a positive reception for the trailer.

In terms as his voice, in the final trailer his voice probably sounded louder and out of place because, the background noises were not in place for the trailer and thus was not mixed.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/21/2012, 1:40 PM
@Alexswake24 Although I don't mind people who don't like something, for genuine reasons, butI would say most of the bad comments, not all, has come from fanboys of Marvel.

I would say it is the same the flip side too, most of the non-constructive negative comments towards Avengers has come from DC fanboys.
95
95 - 5/21/2012, 2:02 PM
This film will shake the world.
justified1
justified1 - 5/21/2012, 2:08 PM
The title is fine.

the trailers were great.

Bane looks increadible.

The movies would be good if it weren't for all the fans bitching about every little thing that they don't like.

HAVE AN OPEN MIND PEOPLE!!!

The Fire Rises!
TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/21/2012, 2:08 PM
Knightrider, My bad I should have elaborated something. I agree a literal translation wouldn't have worked especially in Nolan's Batman. I capitalized the word "LOOK" regarding Bane as it seems they are staying close to who he is, not just a brute but a thinker and a strategist. The Knightfall Bane would've been perfect and could've translated great with a few minor alterations. Hardy as Bane is smaller than than Batman, he isn't very intimidating physically, and I still don't know what to think about the mask. Changes don't often get to me, but this one has.

Alexwake, damn, you're right. As fast as the scene moves it looked like Bale, still a good scene though.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 5/21/2012, 2:16 PM
Not everyone criticizing this movie, only the same 5-10 people on this site. If you venture away from Comicbookmovie.com you will realize this.
Minotauro
Minotauro - 5/21/2012, 2:21 PM
@Knightrider - I agree with everything you said.

batfan175
batfan175 - 5/21/2012, 2:37 PM
Yeah I think many people are simply pissed because they got a look at the characters out of context and started bitching based on set photos even before filming was over and now they're stuck with bits of that negative first impression. They don't like the actors because everyone wants the lastof Nolan's batman film to be great and they think they could've made better choices, even though they hadn't seen ANYTHING. And then looking at set photos out of context is never a good way of being introduced to the characters in the film. i'm sure if we'd gotten the official bane pictures and no set pictures people might have been less judgmental. As for the sound yeah people got overly critical in December because they saw the first 6 minutes and the background noise droned out most of what bane said (i could hear him fne but there is a point to be made about the voice). But other than that I think the director has every right to design the characters he's using as he likes and to do with them whatever he wants, unless it's the total opposite of what the character would do in the comics. As far as bane is concerned they made him a smart brute who uses a special potion to do SOMETHING. THAT'S the point: people have seen spoilers but they can't figure out where the story's going and so they are naturally worried.

Also the apparent lack of a viral marketing campaign has some of the nerds disappointed. The fact that they've not gotten what they wanted at this point is making these people crazy. I understood from the ebginning that we would not get as good a marketing campaign as for TDK because the company responsible for the promotion of TDK is now in charge for the promotion for the Amazing Spiderman. WB definitely has kept it closed to the vest and that's what people are unhappy about. They expect the promotion to get going and get them excited but because the film seems pretty gritty and serious there is not much fun to be had but "fun" was probably never this film's intention anyway.

I also agree that it's mainly on this site that people complain in VERY harsh terms about the film, which is a damn shame.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/21/2012, 3:34 PM
@TheAmazingHipsterMan Really, I hardly know anyone outside of the comic book fandom who A) Knows about the movie, B) If they do know about it, know it is a reboot, C) Would choose to watch TASM over TDKR and D) If you know no one who is hyped for TDKR then I am assuming you know nobody.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/21/2012, 3:36 PM
@Minotauro Thanks.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/21/2012, 3:57 PM
Hahahahaha. Im with yoss,, as usual. this site would be so much better if a lot of people migrated away. A smaller amoint of people, like it was 2 or 3 years ago would be great.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 5/21/2012, 4:43 PM
Any issues with Tom Hardy's Bane or Comic Book Bane's look are completely justified, and show's Nolan made a poor choice in going with this particular villian.

This really sounded better when it was rumored to be based off of Long Halloween. But, the movie is in the can, so my complaints don't mean jackshit now.

I also am disappointed with the casting of Hathoway, and can't believe that wasn't covered in this editorial. Wasn't even aware people were griping about the title.
Thanos005
Thanos005 - 5/21/2012, 4:44 PM
The look of Bane is irrelevant to me honestly. He would look silly if he looked like his comic counterpart. I think he looks good, but there is more than appearances. Yeah, compared to all of the other Batman villains he is much bigger, but that doesn't really make him any different from a common goon. Theyre big too. And before people start with "Well he isnt just strong, he is also very smart!" Yes. I know he is, but so what? So is EVERY OTHER BATMAN VILLAIN. How smart was the Joker? Dent? Scarecrow? Ras Al Ghul? Hell, lets go into his rogues gallery in general. What about Riddler? or Penguin? Freeze? Do I need to go on? All of Batmans villains are smart. Save for a key few. But they are all very smart, but they all have things that make them different. Joker is insane, but since that is hard to gauge from looks, he also has his purple suit and "make-up". Dent has his split personality, coin, and face. Crane has his fear gas. Penguin has his physical appearance and social status. Riddler has his riddles and a green scheme to his wardrobe, and Bane has Venom. That is what sets him apart. That is what makes him different. And no, breaking the bat does not count completely, because every character has their events. Joker killed Jason, and crippled Barbara. But that doesnt make him who he is. It distinguishes him, sure, it adds to the legacy, but it doesnt make him who he is. I am all for deviating from the source material to make it a better story, but deviate too far, and they arent the same characters anymore. And having them in the first place loses all meaning. And I know having venom to beef himself up for fights is "unrealistic" and Nolan was going for "realistic" but if that was the case, he never should have picked Bane as the enemy.

That being said, I am aware the movie is not out yet, and Nolan has been good at hiding things in his movies. I am excited for the movie still, and I probably will see it on Midnight when it opens. And I want it to be successful and good. And if venom is a part of it, believe me, I will eat my words and be the first to admit I was wrong, but that too, must wait until I see the movie.

sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 5/21/2012, 5:13 PM
The only hate I hear is on this site, rarely anywhere else. During the Avengers, people jumped up and cheered in the theater when TDKR traile came on.
Supes17
Supes17 - 5/21/2012, 5:22 PM
I know! ^
I stood up and started a standing ovation after the 3rd trailer ended in IMAX:P
Supes17
Supes17 - 5/21/2012, 5:22 PM
I started that shit, and everyone stood up lmao
Priest
Priest - 5/21/2012, 5:30 PM
The following images are screen captured images of the "What does the Internet thinks?" website (www.whatdoestheinternetthink.net). They are not photoshoped. You can check yourself by clicking on the images.





The Avengers





The Dark Knight Rises





The Internet has spoken.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 5/21/2012, 5:37 PM
I was worried about Bane until I heard the voice in the most recent trailer (before avengers) and now I have absolute faith (except cmon with Batman's voice STILL) I got used to the mask and Bane soundsseriously menacing so as long a he livesup to comic Bane intelect I am on board
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/21/2012, 5:52 PM
@ tea

Lol, you know what I mean, bud. I miss a lot of the people that used to be here. More and more A-holes kept coming around though, lol. Not that there are some cool newer people now, bjt still. I'll say this, Billyblack used to crack my ass up! Haha, that guy was great.
antonio
antonio - 5/21/2012, 6:18 PM
@Priest poll results from today, huh?
TheBigBoss917
TheBigBoss917 - 5/21/2012, 6:43 PM
@Priest

"Not Everything you see on the internet is true"
- Abraham Lincoln
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/21/2012, 6:56 PM
@ tea

Yeah for sure. My daughter is 3 now, crazy. But it makes it a little harder to be on here as much.

I know what u mean tho, you, me, and myth are all lingering farts around here, ha.
GoILL
GoILL - 5/21/2012, 9:39 PM
Great article,like fangz said I too think most of the backlash is more about Nolan than the movie itself. I however have enjoyed the previous two films and I am excited for TDKR even though they are not exactly faithful to the comic but they are damn good movies IMO.
batfan175
batfan175 - 5/22/2012, 7:38 AM
@ Priest: funny, when you give in "TDKR" it gives an approx. 60 % positive response to The dark Knight Rises on www.whatdoestheinternetthink.net . I guess it depends on the way you put in your search terms.
goatmilk
goatmilk - 5/22/2012, 10:06 AM
There's nothing wrong with the title. I believe it's sort of a reference to Frank Miller and The Dark Knight Returns. If you read the graphic novel version of that story each book is called something similar, The Dark Knight this or that.
BLACKTHORN
BLACKTHORN - 5/22/2012, 1:26 PM
I'll wait and see, excellent article friend.
dezdigi
dezdigi - 5/22/2012, 2:59 PM
Good article. So tired of the Avengers vs TDKR arguments though. I'm guessing it's mostly the youngsters. I'm an old fart and appreciate what I can get these days. I had to endure the horrible 90s CBMs for the love of god!
alexswake24
alexswake24 - 5/24/2012, 7:00 AM
lol ^ this guy. nobody here thinks hes a god. ppl like you are what annoys the author so much. he clearly likes the series. if u dont, dont watch it. or dont bitch to bitch, like coming on this article. theres nothing you can do about it. its being rebooted maybe youll like it then. in the mean time get a life. your a fanboy and a douche
Spidey1996
Spidey1996 - 5/26/2012, 8:27 PM
Man, nice article! The only thing I have a little problem with is the fact that Batman doesn't really use Batarangs, but besides that I'm anticipated for TDKR!
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