Warner Bros. Exec Admits JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX "Didn't Land" As Director Explains Cut Lady Gaga Same-Sex Kiss

Warner Bros. Exec Admits JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX "Didn't Land" As Director Explains Cut Lady Gaga Same-Sex Kiss

A Warner Bros. Discovery executive has commented on Joker: Folie à Deux's dismal opening weekend at the North American box office. We also have comments from Todd Phillips on a cut same-sex kiss...

By JoshWilding - Oct 07, 2024 11:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

Joker: Folie à Deux opened in theaters this weekend to overwhelmingly negative reviews and a dismal debut of $40 million, putting it in the same ballpark as Morbius

Analysts will no doubt spend weeks trying to figure out where it all went wrong, as will Warner Bros. Discovery. One of the first major projects greenlit under the current leadership regime, the Joker sequel has proven to be a major misstep for the studio. 

Jeff Goldstein, Warner Bros.' President of Domestic Distribution, tells The Wall Street Journal, "The movie didn’t land with audiences the way we wanted it to." He'd later add that this movie was a "deeper dive into mental illness," arguing that some of its core male audience struggled to connect with Lady Gaga.

So, yes, the studio appears to be telling itself that Joker: Folie à Deux flopped because guys don't like serious dramas or women. 

Interestingly, the site adds that the movie's $200 million budget doesn't include marketing costs, so Warner Bros. Discovery's losses on this thing are going to be massive. Despite that, The Wrap reveals, "Insiders at the studio say that while they’re disappointed with how the weekend has unfolded, they stand by the decision to give Phillips free rein to make the sequel that he wanted."

In other news, Entertainment Weekly has shared another excerpt from its interview with filmmaker Todd Phillips and asked why a scene with Lady Gaga kissing a female protestor outside the courthouse isn't in the final cut (we saw that play out in set photos). 

"It had dialogue in it, and, all of a sudden, I wanted it to be more of a music and vibe moment," he explained. "For that moment to have played, it needed dialogue behind it. Meaning, the woman said something, and then Gaga stopped and did this thing, and it just kind of got in the way of the moment."

Other set photos and footage have pointed to Lady Gaga's Lee killing Arthur Fleck in an earlier cut, suggesting the final act might have undergone some significant changes. 

In our review of the movie, we concluded by saying, "Lady Gaga shines and Joaquin Phoenix brings more of the same to Joker: Folie à Deux, a wholly unnecessary sequel with no new ideas and nothing to say. It doesn’t work as a movie or a musical. What a waste of $200 million."

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Joker: Folie À Deux is now playing in theaters. 

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/7/2024, 11:17 AM

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TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/7/2024, 11:19 AM
Land ? the thing crashed and burned.
TheyDont
TheyDont - 10/7/2024, 11:27 AM
@TheJok3r - It landed in shit
Forthas
Forthas - 10/7/2024, 11:27 AM
"So, yes, the studio appears to be telling itself that Joker: Folie à Deux flopped because guys don't like serious dramas or women."

I guess people hate Penguin!
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/7/2024, 11:47 AM
@Forthas - yup, it's all white-males' fault .... f'n ignorant-a$$ comment
Forthas
Forthas - 10/7/2024, 12:09 PM
@lazlodaytona - They did not mention any race>
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/7/2024, 11:02 PM
@Forthas - I mean, look at the comments on this site. The most vocal ones here really do hate women and serious dramas. Probably not enough to crash and burn this movie out of lost revenue, but enough to start sh!t on the internet and convince a few folks the movie is not worth watching.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/7/2024, 11:28 AM
Hollywood destroying itself has been very fun to watch over the past 5 years. Couldn’t have happened to a worse group of people.
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 10/7/2024, 11:29 AM
@mountainman - WELL said!
Matchesz
Matchesz - 10/7/2024, 11:44 AM
@mountainman - 100% and the same people who dont have to worry about groceries or gas wanna tell us who to vote for from inside their mansions. I only hope more people wake up.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 10/7/2024, 11:55 AM
@mountainman - The article actually says at one point...

"So, yes, the studio appears to be telling itself that Joker: Folie à Deux flopped because guys don't like serious dramas or women."

Meanwhile I'm like umm, hasn't the number one thing these studios and people like Josh have been saying for years is that these movies keep flopping because of men who hate women?

Is it only true sometimes and not others? I'm so confused.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/7/2024, 12:09 PM
@DarthOmega - Whenever I see studios telling themselves this it makes me happy. Same with the actors or producers that tell themselves that bigotry is why their projects are failing.

I want these people to fail. It does make me sad to know that there are some good people who work for these companies who will be punished by the idiot activists and their terrible decisions.

But even just the early stages of the post woke era are already fun to watch. This is going to get so much better as this stuff continues to fade into obscurity and the people who cling to it are publicly humiliated.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 10/7/2024, 12:19 PM
@mountainman - Did you hear about yet another company abandoning it's racist DEI practices? Toyota is cutting the program and the toxicity it brings so they can focus on... Well ya know... Selling vehicles.

Turns out people like buying products not your one sided, poorly thought out sociopolitical views. I don't care what you believe about society when you are assembling my new Toyota Tacoma. I just want the damn thing to work and not clunk out on me.

But let's be honest, if you ever looked into the teachings of so called "Anti-racists" You'd see this crap had a short shelf life anyway. Why? Because there is so much racism built into "Anti-racism" and so much regressive thought it was bound to collapse under the weight of its own bullshit. It was only a matter of time and awareness.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/7/2024, 12:35 PM
@DarthOmega - Yup. More and more companies are completely abandoning this nonsense because it doesn’t make their business better and the grifters and activists aren’t able to lie about what this stuff is anymore.

A vast majority of employees from across the political spectrum hate DEI training. Everyone makes fun of it. Some people play along as a way of advancing their careers, but most people just mock this stuff.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/7/2024, 11:29 AM
To be fair , he didn’t say men don’t like serious dramas but yeah them apparently saying the core male audience couldn’t connect to Gaga is odd to say the least lol.

I do appreciate them standing by their director though regardless of the reception rather then interfering with their vision…

That’s how art should be imo , the filmmaker makes something they connect with and hope the audience to whatever extent does the same.

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RolandD
RolandD - 10/7/2024, 1:49 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I dont know how representative this is of a block of guys, but someone’s comment on a story yesterday was something along the lines of, “can we finally agree that we don’t like Lady Hag?”
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/7/2024, 1:57 PM
@RolandD - I guess because she doesn’t fit standard societal conventions in terms of looks etc.

Idk , I have no idea what she’s done to have someone say that.
dracula
dracula - 10/7/2024, 11:30 AM
If they do more stuff like this, keep it to one offs
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 10/7/2024, 11:43 AM
"they stand by the decision to give Phillips free rein to make the sequel that he wanted."


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SATW42
SATW42 - 10/7/2024, 11:45 AM
Every clip I come across on socials is just worse then the next. In fairness, it's all out of context so maybe it's more cohesive than it seems, but the reviews don't give me hope that it is.

What a mess.

I still don't understand how it's "assumed" Fleck is sexually assaulted at the end. Every description I've read is that the officers beat the shit out of him and strip him naked, and then it goes to the next scene. Unless every description is leaving off like, a guard undoing his belt or something, it seems people are putting something there that isn't?

Someone whose seen it I'm genuinely curious, is this the audience assuming something, or is there an overt action that happens that no one mentions and just says "it's alluded to"
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/7/2024, 12:28 PM
@SATW42 - It's not overt but they do strip him down and then gather around him like they're going to rape him. If they were just going to continue to beat him up, why not continue to show it. The fact that it cuts is the suggestive thing.

I didn't think it was something that was going to come into question. But I guess a lot of people are just like, no no they don't rape him. Surely not. There's obviously a level of denial from fans who just can't believe that this is what the movie wants you to think.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 10/7/2024, 11:50 AM
“arguing that some of its core male audience struggled to connect with Lady Gaga.”

I agree. For me, personally, and I’m sure Todd Phillips will agree, I only connect well with “men at ease”
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 10/7/2024, 11:52 AM
There were moments in the trailer that looked shot just for the trailer that I was waiting for more context in the film, like Joker looking up in the rain and the umbrellas changing color, then in the films that's all it is, and I realized immediately this film was just trailer bait edited together to make a 2hr mess. A bunch of ideas slopped together with no real direction or identity. It was a stew of ideas, but without any meat to it. The film was a undercooked disaster.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/7/2024, 11:53 AM
Ga-Ga had no business being in this film.

The focus should have 100% stayed on the idea of the character JOKER.

I've posted before, I wish they would have went with a JOKERS' Three idea. Perfect trilogy.

Phoenix returns for the 2nd with another great actor as JOKER #2.
Then, we get Willem Dafoe in the 3rd film as JOKER #3 (seriously, how has that dude NEVER been cast as the Joker?!)

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Matchesz
Matchesz - 10/7/2024, 11:57 AM
The only interest I had in this character was to watch him evolve and grow into who the Joker is, but by what everyone's saying it seems like a pretentious downer flick to slit my wrists to.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 10/7/2024, 12:47 PM
@Matchesz - It was a massive letdown. I had such high hopes for it as soon as I heard the idea. Why? Because apparently I had temporary insanity. Going in the direction of a musical was bold, but I figured they had a damn good story to tell and it would be more than just a cash grab.

You see the first one was so well done. So well directed. So well shot. So well acted. I'm like I'm sure they have something special up their sleeves with this one. Nope. It's still well acted. Still well shot... But it's not good. I don't even know what they were trying to say with this film. It really feels like they were trying to "right" the perceived "wrongs" of the first film.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/7/2024, 12:31 PM
They did have the same sex kiss with the Joker and Ricky.
InfraMan
InfraMan - 10/7/2024, 1:52 PM
There seems to be an inordinate amount of hatred towards Lady Gaga that I was totally unaware of prior to Joker 2‘s release.

Did I miss something? What exactly did she do to rouse the rabble?
RolandD
RolandD - 10/7/2024, 2:43 PM
@InfraMan - I think that it is much like the hatred in these very pages directed at Taylor Swift a number of weeks ago. I think it came up out of speculation that she would have a cameo in D & W.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/7/2024, 3:21 PM
@InfraMan - She was a teen pop star. She had annoyingly manufactured chart topping songs playing over and over in every store for years. That's like painting a target on your back for life.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/7/2024, 3:22 PM
Same thing goes for Taylor Swift and every other pop star.
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