Judd Winick On Catwoman, Batwing, and the DCnU

Judd Winick On Catwoman, Batwing, and the DCnU

Speaking to Complex Magazine, the fame writer shares his thoughts on Catwoman, The Dark Knight Rises, and the new DC 52.

By MarkJulian - Aug 28, 2011 02:08 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics
Source: Complex

Speaking to Jason Serafino (@serafinoj1) of Complex Magazine, Winnick had the following thoughts to share:


On DC’s "New 52" initiative-

Judd Winick: If you’ve ever read comics, or had an interest in comics, then this would be the time to pick up DC comics. I think a good example is that I was on an airplane about six months ago and I was sitting next to a dude that was kind of looking over my shoulder as I was writing. He said, “I see you're writing and the word ‘Batman’ keeps coming up. Do you work on the movies?” Then I told him, “No, I actually work on the comics,” which had him way more excited.

He said that he grew up reading comics, and I had a couple of years on him, but not too many, so we grew up reading roughly the same stuff. He was in his mid/late 30's and he said he stopped reading about 10 years ago. I asked him why and he said, “Well, one, I grew up, no offense. But you know what, that’s not the reason. The real reason is that I stopped reading for a few years and I felt like ‘Forget it, I’m lost. It will take me 100 comics or five years worth of comics to catch up or figure out what’s going on.'"

So I’m saying to him, and anyone else that has an interest in comics, you can pick up any one of the 52 comics, or all of the 52 new comics, and it’s like a fresh start. It’s just like coming into a television show or a movie, you can come in clean and start over. As we’ve said many times, this isn’t a reboot, it’s a fresh start. With that, we’re keeping a very strong eye for new readers. You wouldn’t have to read comics over the past two years, forget twenty years; it’s a good time to jump in.


On whether there's any trepidation about taking over such an iconic character that, a year from now,will be featured in The Dark Knight Rises-
No, I’m up for it. Of all the characters in the DCU I’ve done, and I’ve done tons of them, Catwoman is one of the only characters that I had not written at all. Not even a little bit, not even a little drive-by; a little moment. But she is someone that I have always been a fan of, someone I have always found very compelling.

I think she’s fun—that’s what this book is more than anything else. It’s kind of dark fun because she’s not a good guy, because she’s not interested in saving people. She’s got kind of a moral code, but she’s a thief. When the wrong people get in her way, the wrong people get hurt.

The fact she’s going to be out there in [The Dark Knight Rises], which will be nothing short of epic, it’s going to be a monster, that just excites me. I’m thrilled that the book I’m working on will be part of the zeitgeist in another way.


On Batwing-
We were kicking around, doing a monthly based on one of the guys from Batman Incorporated, which is Grant Morrison’s series from last year, where Bruce Wayne admitted that he’s funding Batman. Batman has then gone around the world and anointed established superheroes and gave them funding and the ability to be heroes, with the idea that they would have to listen to Batman and be part of the Bat-army.

One that really appealed to us was Batwing, for a lot of reasons, everything from having him set in Africa, which was a landscape largely untouched by the DCU. Giving him his own story, own origin, and taking the very unreal storytelling of superhero comics and putting it in the very real setting of Africa. Africa is this beautiful, horrendous, historical, politicized continent. It’s a continent, not a country, which has been a bit of an education for people here and there.

He’s the Batman of Africa, but he won’t be able to cover the whole place the entire time. But there’s so much rich story to do, and characters to invent, and whatnot. The truth about Africa is that it’s almost as bizarre as anything we could come up with. Everything from, you know, warlords.... They have these actual men going around Afirca that call themselves "warlords," who kidnap children and put guns in their hands and make them into soldiers. Then they hop them up on Meth so they would kill people. That actually happens. It’s not something we could cook up in fiction, but there it is.

So, that said, it’s still a superhero book. Batwing’s going to be out there in his over-the-top Batman armor with wings, he flies, and he finds other crazy dudes in costumes. His arch-villain is a guy he suddenly named Massacre. He’s a big, giant dude in body armor who sports two machetes.

It’s a superhero book, but in the setting of Africa, so we’re trying to embrace it as much as possible. We’re tying to keep it real and trying to get it right. It just hasn’t been done before in such an expansive way in the DCU, so we want to make it right.


On if Batman Inc. still exist in the new DC Universe-
Yes, it does. And Batwing is very much a soldier in Batman Incorporated.


On whether the DC initiative will work-
Yeah, I think it’s going to work. I totally think it’s going to work. I really believe numbers will go up and not drop. I think as word spreads, people who have not read comics in a really long time will be coming back. That’s what I’ve been telling people, that you can pick up 15 comics that you haven’t read in years and you’ll be fine. Cruise the racks and see what you like.

And to be totally honest with you, every single month I get a box of everything that DC publishes; it’s just part of the gig. It’s both for fun, as a reward for being a DC writer, and there’s also the flipside that I have to keep up on everything. There is no way humanly possible that I can get through it every month. All of the trades, all of the hardcovers, all the individual comics; it’s just too much. But I’m telling you, the month of September I’m reading every goddamn thing that’s coming down there.

Some of them I've read, because I’ve had to just for our internal continuity reasons, and also because I just want to see what everyone else is doing. I want to see what [Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E.] is about as well as what we’re going to be doing with Nightwing as well as the big boys. What’s going to happen with the Justice League of America? It’s really, really going to be compelling stuff. Fifty-two little television shows are going to be coming out, so it’s going to be cool.


Be sure to head over to Complex and check out the full article as there's a lot more from Winnick to read!





Catwoman is a fictional character associated with DC Comics' Batman franchise. Historically a supervillain, the character was created by Bill Finger and Bob Kane, partially inspired by Kane's cousin, Ruth Steel. Kane, a frequent movie goer, also mentioned that Jean Harlow was a model for the design.

The original and most widely known Catwoman, Selina Kyle, first appears in Batman #1 (Spring 1940) in which she is known as The Cat. She is a sometimes-adversary of Batman, known for having a complex love-hate (often romantic) relationship with him. In her first appearance, she was a whip-carrying burglar with a taste for high-stake thefts. For many years Catwoman thrived, but from September 1954 to November 1966 she took an extended hiatus due to the newly developing Comics Code Authority in 1954. These issues involved the rules regarding the development and portrayal of female characters that were in violation with the Comic Code.

Since the 1990s, Catwoman has been featured in an eponymous series that cast her as an antihero rather than a supervillain. The character has been one of Batman's most enduring love interests. Many modern writers have also interpreted her activities and costumed identity as a response to a history of abuse.

A popular figure, Catwoman has been featured in most media adaptations related to Batman. Actresses Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, and Eartha Kitt introduced her to a large audience on the 1960s Batman television series and the 1966 Batman motion picture. Michelle Pfeiffer portrayed the character in 1992's Batman Returns. Halle Berry starred in a stand-alone Catwoman film in 2004, which was a box-office flop, only loosely based on the Batman character. Anne Hathaway will portray Selina Kyle in Christopher Nolan's upcoming Batman film, The Dark Knight Rises.



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ComicBookMoron
ComicBookMoron - 8/28/2011, 2:48 PM
The audacity boggles the mind. Not all 52 titles will be bestsellers. DC is throwing away money. This,plus the fact that most of the creators assigned to the titles are old 1990s talents with no new tricks to show. Its a STUNT. Why even publish in 52 separate comics titles? Why not leave the separate titles to the potential bestsellers and the remainder, collected in one thick, newsprint paper bound, manga-like publication called: "DCUniverse Presents" starring Titans, Red Hood and the Outsiders, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Suicide Squad, etc. etc. You know, a BIG publication as thick as Diamond's PREVIEWS? Then charge it a little higher, have it come out every one or two months?
AsianVersionOfET
AsianVersionOfET - 8/28/2011, 2:50 PM
Hot shat.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/28/2011, 2:51 PM
how many of these 52 titles will be still going a year from now? half if you're lucky.
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 8/28/2011, 2:51 PM
This makes me wanna read Batwing.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 8/28/2011, 2:53 PM
I'm gonna try to get the issues for Justice League, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Batman.
Suzanne
Suzanne - 8/28/2011, 2:59 PM
They should have come up with a better name then Batwing.
juggy4711
juggy4711 - 8/28/2011, 2:59 PM
So Batman is a franchise now?
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/28/2011, 3:01 PM
i'll definetly get the trades when they come out for.

-green lantern
-red lanterns
-the flash

& maybe.......

-justice league dark
-swamp thing
-savage hawkman
Fantine
Fantine - 8/28/2011, 3:14 PM
Why do they always have to make female characters breasts so large? It looks ridiculous. And male characters so large with muscles on more muscles. See this is why when people actors are cast in movies, fanboys go nuts, "he's not big enough" "he not tall enough" "shes not hot enough" annoying.
alucard365
alucard365 - 8/28/2011, 3:26 PM
Batman is a freakin Universe now, it can take on DC it self.
Checkmate
Checkmate - 8/28/2011, 3:39 PM
@marvel72 Here are the titles I don't see lasting due to low sales:

Animal Man, Hawk and Dove, Demon Knights, Frankenstein Agent of SHADE, Resurrection Man, Mister Terrific, Blackhawks, I Vampire, Batwing, Voodoo.

--- I'm still very excited for this relaunch!
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 8/28/2011, 4:02 PM
@Dane, I hope Animal Man lasts! That's one of the ones I'm getting. And Demon Knights.
AlReg
AlReg - 8/28/2011, 4:26 PM
@itbegins2005

It's not just Morrison all the writers of Batman did not want to start from the beginning and wanted it to remain mostly untouched like the Green Lantern books. And DC agreed because they sell comics and many people buy the Batman books and people also think they are good comics.

You do not like Morrison's bat books? Okay there are tons of others with different vibes and atmospheres. But many do like this crazy Batman story Morrison because it does not read like the Frank Miller imitators of the past two decades. It's not even without it's own share of grit issue seven of Batman Inc was pretty gritty many of his stories have been in fact only they do not stay that one way.
AC1
AC1 - 8/28/2011, 4:26 PM
I really want these, but at the same time I hate the idea of the DCnU, I think it's really stupid with the whole 5 year gig and all the changes to Superman.

Mixed feelings to the MAX!!!

And what's with DC and the number 52? I mean there's the multiverse, which was originally 52 universes, then the whole 52 weeks thing, now 52 titles in the DCnU.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/28/2011, 4:30 PM
@ dane

i'd be surprised if these are still going pass a year.

-batwing
-catwoman? it might
-mister terrific
-frakenstein agent of shade
-i,vampire
-resurrection man
-demon knights
-voodoo? it might
-o.m.a.c
-blackhawks
-men of war
-all star western
-static shock
FireKnightRises
FireKnightRises - 8/28/2011, 4:54 PM
@acira
52 is their lucky number :D

can't wait to read aquaman, hawkman, wonder woman
mostly interested in aquaman because creators and BD
Nucastle
Nucastle - 8/28/2011, 5:09 PM
@itbegins2005

I'm sorry you didn't understand what Morrison was trying to do. I didn't like it at first either but then I read David Uzumeri's annotations and it started making a lot of sense and now I love it (the Zur-en-arrh thing in particular was genius). Either way, Batman is their most popular property so they're not going to wipe Morrison's story away before it's done. Batman and 'Tec are gonna be fresh enough for new readers though (and feature Bruce as the only Batman again) so stick with them.
FireKnightRises
FireKnightRises - 8/28/2011, 5:23 PM
@Nucastle
me too, I love morrison batman
btw what david uzumeri stuff?
darkknightlegend
darkknightlegend - 8/28/2011, 6:13 PM
marvel72, add Batman to your list. Heard great things about Scott Snyder :P
golden123
golden123 - 8/28/2011, 6:23 PM
@Dane & Marvel72: I'm betting that there will be about 47 or 48 issues in a year that are celebrating there tweleth publication. I'm guessing the ones that are going to be cancelled within that time are I, Vampire; Resurrection Man; Batwing; Hawk & Dove; and maybey Voodoo. I do think you guys are wrong about Demon Knights. I know alot of people picking that up along with Static Shock, All-Star Western, and Animal Man. Just because it doesn't peak your interest doesn't mean everybody else won't like it. Entrigan has a bunch of fans, and anybody who likes him, fantasy/medeival times, and superheroes can enjoy that comic. That brings in a large audience. All-Star Western is a continuation of the Jonah Hex ongoing which celebrated it's 70th issue this month. Obviously it has a fanbase. Many people like Static due to the tv show, and I've heard of/I know alot of people who will be picking that up.
golden123
golden123 - 8/28/2011, 6:26 PM
When I say "that" in the last sentence of my comment I'm referring to Animal Man not Static shock, but I do know people who are picking Static up.
comicboyV1
comicboyV1 - 8/28/2011, 6:28 PM
winick is one of the best writers in comics right now. his run on green arrow/ black canary was great. justice league: generation lost was the best title to come out of brightest day.

I'm totally behind the reboot but like everyone else i can see that there are some titles that just won't last. i am really looking forward to hawkman, catwoman and green lantern: new guardians.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/28/2011, 6:35 PM
@ golden123

yeah you're right my list are the titles i'm not intrested in at all but others might be.
golden123
golden123 - 8/28/2011, 6:52 PM
@marvel72: We will just have to wait and see how it all turns out. I personally am really excited for Demon Knights so I just thought I should interject my opinion when I say people were doubting it's potential. This "New 52" is going to be one hell of a ride!
DoomXfactor
DoomXfactor - 8/28/2011, 8:42 PM
Go back to the Real World you hack!!!! Maybe u can do a Real World/Road rules challenge and get ur ass beat
Highways
Highways - 8/28/2011, 8:56 PM
I wonder if DC is so committed to this relaunch that all 52 comics will in fact be published beyond a 12th issue?
It makes sense because DC already has a publishing schedule for a certain number of print comics per year. Take that number and it is probably really close to the DCnU line up. So, there would be no reason at all to cancel any of these titles until it is clear they will not find an audience for them. When does that become clear? I dunno. I do know DC will publish a title at numbers Marvel will cancel instead. Historically, at least.
Add to this idea the fact that these titles will all be supported by direct day digital and it is easy to see that DC will be able to justify longer runs for under performing print comics. They are business men as well as comics lovers. they know this is a massive amount of new info and product all at once. They know readers will have to budget and they know also that comics readers often sample more than they had ever intended.
All in all I say there is a very, very good chance DC is about to break the mold of expectations as to what constitutes comic sales success. They will have the fresh new revenue streams from digital, a very interested print audience, and waiting in the wings? the trade buyers. Why cancel a brand new trade franchise possibility? That is how I see this all playing out.
I for one am really excited about this. It has brought my son and I closer together as he discovers all the joys of being excited about comics that I had at his age and, I admit, I get to be "young" again, lol, in some ways, as I now buy comics again. This is almost entirely due to DC. Yes, I pick up some Marvels but it is DC that has me and my son eagerly looking forward to September.
alucard365
alucard365 - 8/28/2011, 10:38 PM
i'm getting the entire Bat Family books, except Batwing, that book looks stupid. they couldn't do a Red Robin or Blackbat comic.
onemanalone
onemanalone - 8/29/2011, 11:58 AM

NOBO82 - 8/28/2011, 4:21 PM
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Judd winnic is the worst writer in comic book history. He ruined Kyle Rainer and everything else he ever touched.

WOW. how old are you? You had to go back to Kyle Raynor to start your complaint? It's a odd comment. Almost as weird as:


alx2125 - 8/28/2011, 8:42 PM
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Go back to the Real World you hack!!!! Maybe u can do a Real World/Road rules challenge and get ur ass beat.

He went back 17 years ago and makes mention of The Real World. It's 40 year old dudes like you guys who clog the net with crappy comments and have ruined it as a venue for actual discourse. Why don't you guys just buy your books, read them, and enjoy ( or not). Stay off the boards. You remember a time like that? Like when you were kids in the 70's and 80's.
BTW, enjoy the new 52. I'm sure you will buying more DC comics in next few months than you have in years.
I KNOW-- DC-- what bastards! Trying to make comics popular!



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