EXCLUSIVE: Interview With Tony Isabella

EXCLUSIVE: Interview With Tony Isabella

Hit the jump to check out my interview with writer Tony Isabella on the classic Ghost Rider #9.

By Destroyer14 - Nov 27, 2011 07:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Source: My Blog



Before reading this, be sure to check out my retro review of Ghost Rider #9. After I had finished the comic, I wanted to dig deeper into the story and retcon. The way to do that was to get a few words from the writer of the story of course. I managed to get in touch with the writer, Tony Isabella, where I asked a few questions regarding the issue. (And one about the 2007 Ghost Rider film.)

1. You took over Ghost Rider at issue #6, did you have a set plan for
the series forward at that point?



Not really. Gary Friedrich had left the series somewhat abruptly.
Marv Wolfman and Doug Moench did a quick fill-in for issue #5. I was
given an issue already pencilled by Jim Mooney from Gary's last
plot. That was issue #6. As I recall, I switched around some of the
pages. I never received a copy of Gary's plot so I made up my own
story around the pages and Jim's border notes. My getting the gig was
a typical-for-Marvel scenario: "Congratulations, you're the new
writer and you're already late on your next script and plot." My
immediate "plan" was to come up with an exciting finish to the story
for issue #7.

For issue #8, I wanted to get the book back to its core concept of
Satan trying to claim Johnny Blaze's soul. Since it was girlfriend
Roxanne Simpson's "protection" of Johnny that was holding Satan at
bay, I decided to put that protection in jeopardy. By the time I was
plotting issue #9, I decided that protection kept Johnny from the
consequences of his deal with the devil and that particular bit was
wearing thin. So what could be more game-changing and shocking than
Roxanne being tricked into renouncing that protection?


This was when I realized I'd written myself into a hellish corner.
How could Johnny Blaze be saved? I was thinking out loud about it in
the Marvel Bullpen when the great Steve Gerber suggested, half in
jest, that maybe God could save Johnny. I loved the idea and, with
the blessing of editor-in-chief Roy Thomas, made "the Friend" a
recurring character in the series. It should be noted that Roy and
his successors Len Wein and Marv Wolfman supported what I was
doing. There was no controversy about the addition of Jesus Christ
to the book until, as Marv was ending his stint at editor-in-chief,
Jim Shooter took offense to it and took it upon himself to rewrite my
last issue and destroy the finale I had been working towards for two years.

2. To this day, are you still proud of how issue #9 came out? Do you
think it has aged well?


Yes. At a time when Marvel had several demonic entries operating in
its universe, I was determined to let have Heaven have a voice in
these stories. When I reread the issue a few months back, I saw
flaws here and there, but I do think it has aged well. A number of
readers have remarked that my old stories hold up better than many of
those written by my contemporaries.

3. December 1st marks the 37th anniversary of issue #9. Looking
back, would you consider it your single greatest issue or something else?


That's a tough call to make. I think the best single issue of any
comic book I've written is Black Lightning #5 from the second run of
that series. When it comes to Ghost Rider, while issue #9 was an
important issue, I like issues #11 (with the Hulk) and #12 (with the
Phantom Eagle) better. I was really pleased with the scene in my
original version of issue #19 wherein Johnny Blaze accepted "the
Friend" as his savior and defeated Satan, but, sadly, readers never
got to see that scene as written.

When I became the regular writer of Ghost Rider, I knew I couldn't
write the kind of stories Gary Friedrich had been writing so well. So
I decided to put a somewhat greater emphasis on the "superhero" part
of "The Most Supernatural Superhero of All." I'm told sales went up
with this approach and the title went monthly shortly after my
departure, based on the sales of my run.


4. Of course, the big thing fans remember is the retcon of your
story. You've talked about it a bunch of times in the past, I would
like to know a few things. So it wasn't until after issue #19 that
your editor decided he didn't approve your story? Was it a last-
minute change? Why didn't he approve the concept of Heavenly forces
to counter Hellish forces?


It wasn't my editor per se. Jim Shooter, who was just an assistant
editor at that point, stated he was offended by the story and took
advantage of the chaos during the end of Marv Wolfman's time as the
editor-in-chief and the start of Gerry Conway's to rewrite and have
partially redrawn the already-completed and ready to go off to the
printer issue. So, yes, it was a last-minute change. At the time,
Shooter told me he was offended by the story and that statement was
backed up by others who heard it. I asked for my name to be taken
off the issue, but he refused to honor that request.

5. After you left the book, did you follow Ghost Rider at all? The
90's series, or the mid-2000's Daniel Way series?


I read the book sporadically. I remember liking some of the issues
written by Michael Fleisher and Roger Stern in the original run of
the title. The 1990s series didn't do anything for me, I
haven't read more than an issue or so of the Daniel Way run and only
those issues that crossed over with whatever Marvel Universe event
was going on at the time.

6. What did you think of the 2007 Ghost Rider movie?

I enjoyed it and even recognized something of the Johnny Blaze who I
wrote in Nicholas Cage's performance. It wasn't a great movie, but
it wasn't as awful as some would have it.


7. The retcon came ten issues later in #19. Some fans believe the
Arch-Demon was lying about "The Friend" being an illusion. After all,
he is the Prince of Lies. Would you tell those fans to give up that
claim and just accept that he was just an illusion, or since "The
Friend" technically never appeared again, it's alright to claim that?


I would tell fans to interpret the story however they like. On my
long "bucket list" of things I'd like to write before I kick that
bucket is a Ghost Rider Forever series wherein I would proceed as if
my story had been left intact and cover the next several years of
Johnny Blaze's life. I doubt Marvel would be interested in my doing
this, but, who knows, I might describe what I would have done in some
future blog.

8. And finally, would you change anything about issue #9?

Not really. Maybe tweak a line here and there, correct any typos I
spot, but not really. It was a good comic book that addressed an
interesting facet of the Marvel Universe. My only regret is that,
ten issues later, Shooter pissed on another writer's story.
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Darktruth
Darktruth - 11/27/2011, 9:27 AM
Let me say That I loved the early run on Ghost Rider and this story arc that Isabella wrote was awesome. I always wondered why it was never pursued and I always suspected it was due to some kind of religious sensitivity. Making Johnny Blaze fight Mephisto instead of the actual devil takes a way so much importance from Ghost Rider and just make him a weaker character... after all most heroes are measured by their villains and is not the devil one of the greatest. Good one Jim Shooter, Shooter was the same guy that turned down the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles when Eastman and Laird submitted them to Marvel. Thanks for the wonderful interview and your previous article.
BatWags
BatWags - 11/27/2011, 9:30 AM
Great interview! You should send a link of this to Jim Shooter's Twitter account, @JamesCShooter , & ask him for his side of this story. Shooter is not usually one to back down from an internet argument, so you may get another excellent, candid interview out of it, from the former EIC of Marvel. Here is a relevant quote Shooter just posted not that long ago on JimShooter.com : "About the same time, Ghost Rider needed a writer and an artist. Editor in Chief Archie Goodwin gave me the writing assignment. I had done some save-the-day, last-minute scripting earlier on the series when Gerry Conway and others failed to deliver…." Based on that quote, we could be privy to quite an internet war if you make Shooter aware of Isabella's "...Shooter pissed on another writer's story," quote in this interview.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 11/27/2011, 9:44 AM
Good idea BatWags, after I finished the interview, I've always thought of doing that, thanks for the link to his Twitter account.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 11/27/2011, 9:55 AM
Thanks Darktruth.
STOOPUDR
STOOPUDR - 11/27/2011, 8:58 PM
Tony used to own Cosmic Comics in Cleveland. My dad did work on his shop and he paid him in comic books. I still have those copies of "Crisis on Infinite Earths", the Marvel "New Universe" books, and "Marvel Man" #1, wish he had signed a few of them. Got to talk to him a few times. He was great to talk comic books with.
STOOPUDR
STOOPUDR - 11/27/2011, 8:59 PM
I was a kid and didn't realize who I was talking to. I thought he was just another comic book store owner.
JohnnyKrypton
JohnnyKrypton - 5/15/2013, 5:13 PM
Firstly, Marv wasn't 'ending his tenure'- when Wolfman stepped down from EIC, it was because he was fired from the position. He was very much EIC when the story came in, he certainly wsn't ceding any power to Shooter, and according to Shooter, Wolfman told Shooter in no uncertain terms to rewrite the ending and have it redrawn. Shooter was only an associate editor (basically a proofreader) and wouldn't have had the authority to order such changes on his own. Mr. Isabella, whose work I reaaly enjoy, should speak wih LenMarv
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