Has The MCU Been Building Up To CIVIL WAR All Along?

Has The MCU Been Building Up To CIVIL WAR All Along?

With the comic book world still reeling from the rumor that Marvel is adapting the popular Civil War comic storyline into Captain America 3, SauronsBANE looks back at some of the most recent MCU movies to see if evidence for this drastic turn of events has been sitting right there, under all of our noses this entire time...

Editorial Opinion
By SauronsBANE - Oct 21, 2014 09:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Raise your hand if you saw that coming. I know I sure didn't.

A massive bombshell was dropped late at night last Monday when we all discovered that Marvel had been negotiating with Robert Downey Jr to tweak his contract and allow for another film in his deal.

Of course...that particular bit of information was nothing new, right? We all saw RDJ hemming and hawing for the last several weeks about what was going on, and we all just went along with it and assumed it really did have something to do with a potential Iron Man 4 film (well, at least now we know the reason RDJ had been jerking us all around: keep us focused on whether or not Iron Man 4 was happening, and we would never see the news about Captain America 3 coming. That sly, brilliant SOB!) .

No, the surprise came when we finally realized that the negotiations had nothing to do with a sequel to Shane Black's divisive (in the fanboy community, at least) threequel...Marvel was negotiating to allow room for Iron Man to star in Captain America 3 and jump-start their adaptation of the infamous "Civil War" plotline of the comics, which would see Steve Rogers and Tony Stark at each other's throats over their differing views of the Superhuman Registration Act.

It's safe to say that most fanboys (and casual fans alike) have been whipped up into a frenzy over this as-of-yet unconfirmed news, with reactions being split right down the middle.

Understandably, there's a rather large segment of comic readers who never really enjoyed the Civil War storyline to begin with, citing terrible writing, beloved fan-favorites acting way out of character, and boneheaded creative decisions that would require huge ret-cons later on, as massive flaws in the tale.

Perhaps the most popular complaint is that Marvel simply doesn't have the rights to enough of the characters who play crucial parts in the comic crossover, such as the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and many others.

Obviously, the most apparent solution to both of these issues is the fact that Marvel will undoubtedly change things up and radically stray from the source material. I mean, how else would they do it? There aren't even any secret identities in the MCU for the heroes to get all protective about in the first place! And thanks to Natasha releasing all of SHIELD's files online for the world to see in The Winter Soldier, any possibility of hidden identities goes straight out the window anyway.

So, the one remaining gripe that is most likely to pick up some steam (if it hasn't already, that is) has to do with the perception that this is simply a reactionary move because of WB/DC's highly-anticipated blockbuster - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

Unless you've been living under a rock the past several months, everyone is aware of the much-publicized battled outside of the theaters as WB/DC and Marvel both claimed the same weekend slot to release their respective blockbusters: Batman v Superman and the still-untitled Captain America 3. Given that WB/DC backed off and moved their release date from May 6, 2016 to a few weeks earlier, it stands to reason that Marvel wanted yet another weapon to take away some of the spotlight from their studio rivals and use it to convincingly win the PR battle and the battle of the box office. Well, what better way than to answer fire with fire...in the form of another superhero vs superhero film?


But having said that...is it possible that Marvel has had this move planned for a while now? Could it be that WB/DC caught wind of this development earlier than Variety or anyone else did, and so that was the reason why they blinked first and moved off that very contentious release date? Might there be hidden clues in the previous MCU movies that hint that this was the direction they were going in all along? Let's take a look:

1) The Avengers

The animosity between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark.

We all know the story of The Avengers: a group of individual heroes, each with wildly different and potentially volatile personalities, have to band together to defeat one of the biggest threats that the planet has ever faced. Of course, before they could learn to work together and before we could witness the immensely satisfying payoff with that glorious revolving shot as the Avengers assembled in New York City...there were some bumps and bruises along the way.

Chief among these was the ongoing feud between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark.

Obviously, that subplot made its way into The Avengers because it was a perfectly natural way for the two characters to interact. An old-school, professionally-trained soldier from WWII mixing it up with the wise-cracking, egotistical, narcissistic civilian Tony Stark? Yeah, take a wild guess how something like that would turn out.

But could that have also functioned as a set-up or foreshadowing of some more friction and animosity to come?

Nothing about this would seem forced, out of place, shoehorned-in, or out of character at all. It'd simply be a case of Marvel delving into the relationship between the two headstrong heroes after properly setting it up in previous movies.

Case in point: The Avengers did the dirty work of establishing that the two heroes had to really work hard to get along with each other (though it's important to note that by the third act of the film, Tony was willingly taking orders from Steve, who finally took charge of the team), and so it really isn't out of the realm of possibility that there's still some bad blood simmering underneath the surface, just waiting for the right opportunity to present itself and burst out.

What could that opportunity be? Well, why not the Superhuman Registration Act?

2) Iron Man 3

Tony Stark gaining the President's trust.

Wow, I can almost hear the collective groan from the majority of all you folks who despised Iron Man 3, and maybe I'm crazy...but I'm fully convinced that there was a higher purpose to this movie other than just screwing around with fanboy expectations. Hear me out!

Lost in the shuffle of Tony running his mouth and getting his Malibu mansion destroyed, the 'blasphemous' decision to reveal the Mandarin as an alcoholic imposter, and the legitimately questionable choice to fix Pepper's Extremis problem and Stark's ongoing shrapnel injury in a tacked-on montage sequence at the very end, one thing that may have been overlooked in Iron Man 3 is the pretty huge fact that Tony and Rhodey teamed up to save the President's life.

Even beyond that: they also managed to uncover a conspiracy at the highest level, where the Vice President was actually in league with Aldrich Killian and planned to have President Warren Ellis killed, install himself as a kind of puppet leader (with Killian's AIM organization pulling the strings in the background), and all this in exchange for the Extremis that would cure his daughter's disability.

Obviously, Tony and Rhodey made sure that such a disastrous set of circumstances never happened...but has the fanbase somewhat glossed over the massive ramifications of this?

Though the movie itself doesn't delve into the after-effects, it's only logical to assume that Tony Stark and James Rhodes now have President Ellis' and the U.S. government's implicit trust moving forward, and vice versa. Why is that a big deal? Well, maybe it really wasn't...up until the news broke of the MCU adapting Civil War.


Now, the stage is set for the various alliances that may form up during Captain America 3If (and it's a big "if") the MCU follows the source material to this extent and has the Superhuman Registration Act become the catalyst for the entire conflict that follows, it would make perfect sense for Tony to ally himself with the government.

But there's just one problem - how would that answer the pressing question of: "Why the heck would Tony even listen to a thing the government has to say after all of his previous experiences, especially given that scene in Iron Man 2, where he basically tells the government to go [frick] themselves because there is no way they are getting control of his Iron Man suits?"

Yeah...I guess you could say that's kind of a big discrepancy.

But look, I certainly get it: it's no secret that Tony has some issues with authority.

Clearly, after finding out about Nick Fury and SHIELD intentionally hiding crucial details from our favorite superheroes in The Avengers, and after suffering through Senator Stern (hail HYDRA!) and Justin Hammer's unrelenting witch-hunt to deliver control of Stark's valuable inventions to the U.S. government, he would have every right to be suspicious of a government mandate requiring extraordinary people with extraordinary abilities to turn themselves in, submit themselves to a registration act, and act as a sort of federal police force...especially after the downfall of SHIELD and the ensuing lack of a governing entity for the Avengers to answer to.

But isn't it possible that, through his newfound trust and acceptance by President Ellis, he could be persuaded that this is the right thing to do and the right way to go? And don't forget - this would be taking place after the events of Avengers: Age of Ultron, where Tony will be almost single-handedly responsible for the death and destruction that Ultron will inevitably unleash.


If the fallout from Age of Ultron is as global and catastrophic as we are being led to believe, then it would make perfect sense for Stark to feel ridiculously guilt-ridden over whatever happens (could he possibly hold himself even more responsible for helping out with those 3 weaponized helicarriers that ended up being essential to Project Insight in The Winter Soldier, too?).

This could then result in a stunning - but not unexpected - change of heart, where Tony finds himself 100% on board with the idea of the government centralizing and regulating the superheroes...because God knows the tremendous cost of having superhumans running around on their own, recklessly dealing with and sometimes even causing and contributing to their own threats.

This is a biggie: think of that scene near the end of The Winter Soldier, where Natasha is called in to face the Congressional committee on Capital Hill. When questioned as to whether her own tumultuous service record, filled with plenty of red on her ledger, should dictate her arrest and imprisonment (along with the other superheroes), she brashly and stubbornly states that the world needs heroes. Sure, these same heroes sometimes make the world more vulnerable...but she confidently says that "we're also the ones best qualified to defend it."

It's no coincidence that this scene was added to the film late in the game, during reshoots. It seems pretty clear that this scene functioned as some massive foreshadowing for the potential problems that superhumans could cause and be involved in, as they have now gone on record and outright refused to answer to anyone.

So could a combination of crushing guilt and a sense of mutual trust with the federal government sway Tony into strongly believing that superheroes need to be reeled in and controlled to an extent? Could this be the perfect one-two punch of motivation that Tony needs to place his beliefs on the exact opposite side of Steve Rogers in Captain America 3?

3) Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Steve Rogers' distrust of SHIELD and the government.

Ironically, while Tony had been off rescuing and gaining the trust of the U.S. President and government during Iron Man 3The Winter Soldier saw Steve Rogers in almost the exact opposite situation: caught in the web of a vast conspiracy and on the run from a HYDRA-corrupted SHIELD.

Much like Tony, Rogers already had his fair share of misgivings directed at Nick Fury and SHIELD as a result of the events in The Avengers. The difference, of course, was that Fury's complete lack of trustworthiness had a much more personal effect on Cap - SHIELD had been secretly planning on using old WWII-era HYDRA weapons in order to stockpile and create even more weapons of mass destruction to deal with super-powered threats.

Nick Fury's continued lies and withholding of information (compartmentalizing Cap's missions and sending agents on his team on their own secret missions during an op, for example) combined with the fuzzy morality of Project Insight only served to heighten Steve's apprehension with what SHIELD was doing: seeking out and eliminating perceived threats before they even become an issue, while simultaneously jeopardizing the security and freedoms of countless citizens.

Add to that the attempted assassination of Nick Fury, Alexander Pierce's faux-suspicion of Captain America himself, the mysterious nature of the Winter Soldier, and the ultimate realization that HYDRA had never truly been defeated and instead had been corrupting SHIELD from the inside...and it's incredibly easy to see why Steve Rogers would become morally opposed to legislation such as the Superhuman Registration Act - the ultimate example of a complete loss of liberty, basic rights, and freedom. 


While Stark begins to see that government control of superheroes just might be the way to go, the dramatic irony results from how the audience realizes that that is the exact antithesis of what Rogers' recent experiences have taught him. In The Winter Soldier, an established, centralized, powerful government organization was the very reason why HYDRA managed to survive and thrive in secret, right under everyone's nose. Of course the two fan-favorite heroes would find themselves disagreeing over this idea on a basic fundamental level.

Just like in The Avengers, events in a previous MCU movie once again end up serving two simultaneous purposes: fueling the actual plot, events, and themes of that particular movie...while also setting up natural character arcs and believable motivation for future events. Now that we seem to know the structure of Marvel's future plans, it'd appear that such a game-changing future event would be something along the lines of a superhero Civil War.

Speculation

But is all this really reason enough for two friends and colleagues, who have been through so much together (and who even went out for shawarma together after their last big adventure), to take a complete 180 degree turn and actually be brought into intense conflict with each other, one that would dwarf any and all of their past disagreements? Is there any extra motivation that could possibly explain this sudden change of course?

While the events of Avengers: Age of Ultron will undoubtedly play a major role in shedding some light on this, I have seen one extremely tantalizing piece of information floating around (one that I've already seen plenty of perceptive CBM users comment about as well) that could potentially drive Stark and Rogers to want to kill the other...even without the excuse of a Superhuman Registration Act, and all the conflicted alliances that such a McGuffin would create.

This theory would also explain the apparent inconsistency between the very last scene of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and the reports of Marvel adapting Civil War for Captain America 3. Let me explain:

After Cap, Falcon, Black Widow, and the other loyal members of SHIELD manage to dismantle the HYDRA infestation, the status quo appears to be disrupted forever. SHIELD ceases to exist, Nick Fury is no longer director, and Bucky once again disappears underground. The last scene ends with Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson deciding to embark on their mission to find Bucky, who is implied to have begun to remember who he once was.


That's all well and good...but we already knew that Cap's mission would inevitably be derailed and sidetracked as a result of Age of Ultron. With the news of Captain America 3 being focused on the Civil War storyline, it's fair to ask exactly when Bucky would factor into the equation again. Plenty of users (myself included) even started to dislike the notion of adapting Civil War because of a perceived lack of focus on Bucky, in favor of even more attention on Iron Man and his shenanigans.

Well, that's where this theory comes in and makes all of that obsolete: what if Bucky IS in Captain America 3, and actually plays an integral role in it too?

Let's back up for a second.

Remember that pivotal scene in The Winter Soldier, where the AI version of Dr. Zola implements his stall tactic and informs Cap and Natasha of what they have all been oblivious to since the end of WWII? Among the staggering deluge of exposition, detailing everything that HYDRA has been doing and is still doing, one easy-to-miss detail is the implication that the death of Tony Stark's parents was NOT an accident.

While it's clear that HYDRA had something to do with their untimely demise...is it that much of a stretch to figure that the infamous Winter Soldier himself had been dispatched to assassinate them? And if that's the case, then what would potentially happen if the past criminal deeds of a mind-controlled Bucky were released to the public, and Tony Stark learned of this?

Maybe during the first act of Captain America 3, Cap is continuing his search for Bucky...but Stark ends up finding him first? Or perhaps Tony simply interrupts their joyful reunion and irreversibly complicates the situation beyond repair? What if Steve is desperately trying to save the life of his best friend, but Tony can't get past the fact that this former HYDRA assassin also committed countless crimes against humanity, not the least of which was the murder of his own parents? What if he's driven to apprehend Bucky, or maybe even attempt to kill him right then and there?

Who would the audience sympathize with? Which "side" would be right and wrong here? Who would be looked at as the "villain" and the "hero"? Hopefully, if done right, both characters would appear to be justified in their actions...while also displaying some pretty huge character flaws as well. Now imagine the further complication of a Superhuman Registration Act on top of all these intimate, personal issues.

Taken together, this would be the perfect catalyst for some excellent and emotional, yet heartbreakingly tragic, drama.

Conclusion

Despite everything I've written to this point, there's something I do have to admit: 

It's almost impossible to definitively say anything, one way or another, regarding something like Marvel's long-term plans for their universe. Simply put, none of us are in the industry; we don't have sources or scoops - we just go by what we see and what we've been told by those who are in the know.

But if any of the professional bloggers and writers of reputable and trustworthy websites scattered across the internet are worth their weight in gold, then it would seem safe to deduce that Marvel DOES have a long-term plan...one that has actually been written down as a document and shown to select few people in the industry (with their planned movies apparently projecting far into the 2020's). The caveat, though, is that it may only be a broad, generalized outline of the major beats that would be included in the MCU - the nitty gritty details are always free to be as flexible and fluid as they see fit.

(While there are many sources for this bit of info, which you can find if you look hard enough, here's just one readily-available link for you.)

So again, that's the million-dollar question here: Has Marvel always planned on doing a Civil War adaptation? And if so, have they been steadily building up to it by including subtle hints and clues in the previous MCU films?

Well, rumor has it that the final decision to go ahead with Civil War was made only at the very end of production for The Winter Soldier. So if that's true...well, there goes my entire editorial, right??
 
Not so fast.

I believe that Marvel intentionally included the specific instances and events I have explored here...with one eye set on potentially using it as a springboard to further develop something as game-changing as the Civil War. Perhaps they didn't know exactly which movie they would include the storyline in, or to what capacity, or who exactly would be involved, or any number of finer details like that...but I certainly think the afore-mentioned points are evidence that Marvel has had plans to do this for a long time now - at least since The Avengers entered into production. All of it just fits too well to be a complete accident, or a case of Marvel just making things up as they go along.

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/21320-2/Avengers+Timeline.jpg


But here's the most important question: Do YOU believe that?

Are you at all convinced that the groundwork has been laid throughout the previous movies, and that it has all been building up to Avengers: Age of Ultron and the subsequent Civil War in Captain America 3? Or has all this just been a waste of my time and yours? Thanks for reading, and sound off in the comments below!

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NightWatcher
NightWatcher - 10/21/2014, 9:34 AM
@SauronsBANE

I'm half way through and its already great!



SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 9:37 AM
@NightWatcher Haha thank you, good sir!

And to think I wrote most of this while I was pretty drunk...
TChalla
TChalla - 10/21/2014, 9:38 AM
I just read the whole thing...

TChalla
TChalla - 10/21/2014, 9:39 AM
As the guys at Marvel say #ItsAllConnected
NightWatcher
NightWatcher - 10/21/2014, 9:40 AM
@SauronsBANE

LMAO!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 9:52 AM
* Looks up dictionary definition of "reactionary" *

Uhh.

So yeah, when it comes to typos, misusing words, or entire sections of this editorial that may or may not make any sense at all...I'm just going to keep milking that "drunk" card for all it's worth, if that's alright with everyone else haha.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 10/21/2014, 10:12 AM
brilliant write up
kinghulk
kinghulk - 10/21/2014, 10:13 AM
Ndanan2212- i think the death, death death thing will refer to the people that ultron will kill. civilian deaths sparked the event in the comics and i imagine a lot of civilians will be killed by ultron during the film.
Pasto
Pasto - 10/21/2014, 10:18 AM
TL;DR: Marvel has been building up to a 'Civil War' movie event.
Kurban
Kurban - 10/21/2014, 10:19 AM
@SauronsBANE

Meh, even if some things don't make sense, the overall article is well-written and your speculation is exactly what I've been hoping will be addressed ever since it was revealed that HYDRA had Tony's parents killed, which is why I'm genuinely and incredibly excited to see Bucky and Tony meet face-to-face on film.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 10:29 AM
@ndanan2212 I'm not really a fan of killing off Rhodey, and I agree with @kinghulk about Joss Whedon's comments about "death, death, and death"...but honestly, that could actually work. It wouldn't even contradict anything from my Winter Soldier theory either - Marvel could easily do something that combines the two and make it feel natural.

Will Marvel actually go in that direction? I kind of doubt it, simply because of the backlash they would face for killing off pretty much the only African American superhero that they have so far (besides Sam Wilson, of course). Interesting idea though, and I've certainly been wrong before!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 10:32 AM
@Kurban I appreciate that! I agree, I'm definitely hoping this plays out on the big screen and we get to see how Bucky and Tony interact.

@Pasto Did...you just summarize my entire editorial in a single sentence and basically make it so that the entire effort was a massive waste of my time?

SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 10:48 AM
@ndanan2212 Personally, if I had to bet on it right now, I'd say that they're not going to kill Rhodey off. In addition to my earlier comment, it'd just feel too similar to Coulson's death in The Avengers. I'm just not sure if Whedon will repeat that same plot device in both Avengers movies.

That said, will I be surprised if it DOES happen? Well...probably not! Like I said, your theory makes a lot of sense and it definitely fits in with everything we've heard about Age of Ultron (I've heard that the party scene in Avengers Tower is basically the only scene that Rhodes is in...would they have him cameo there and then kill him off in the very same scene? It's gutsy, but I guess it could happen!).

Next May, I'll be sure to give you ALL the credit for this theory if it turns out they do go in that direction haha.
Pasto
Pasto - 10/21/2014, 11:04 AM
@SauronsBANE
That gif.....HNNNNNGGGG!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 11:14 AM
@Pasto Haha whoa, get in line man! Everyone knows that I'm next on the waiting list to marry the unimaginably gorgeous Olivia Wilde.

Back off...

SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 11:28 AM
@GliderMan Agreed. It really seems like Marvel has a very broad outline for what they want to do with the MCU, but it's not so restricting on the individual directors for each solo movie that they can't have any input on their own movie, either. It makes sense that they had been planning on doing Civil War at some point, and it was only recently when they finally decided to do it in Cap 3.

Haha I already have major ideas in my head as to how Cap 3 deals with the Bucky situation...but yeah, it's possible that it's much less of a focal point than what I wrote here. Either way, I have a feeling that Cap 3 is going to have a major impact on the films moving forward - even more than what the downfall of SHIELD in Cap 2 will have on Age of Ultron. Can't wait to see how it all fits together!
batz11
batz11 - 10/21/2014, 11:36 AM
Beautiful dude...in MCU we trust!
I believe they've had this planned all along...they may have had the "Big Events" laid out, but could change 'how they'd get there' some along the way (e.g., which solo movies to release, when, etc.) but surely Civil War, Infinity Gauntlet, etc. have been the underlying road-map for a means to an end for the MCU...

...and IM3 haters, let it go...really, time to move on...
sikwon
sikwon - 10/21/2014, 12:26 PM
Great article! I've been screaming this literally since the Avengers. Feige even said that there is a lot more going on in IM3 then just extremis, I'm at work but all of cap and Iron Man movies have been building to this point. Here's a thing about Stark.. while he doesn't trust or like authority part of it is because he believes he can do it better. That's a huge aspect of his character.
Peel
Peel - 10/21/2014, 12:40 PM
A very well written intellectual article, a thumbs up from me SauronsBane. Clearly from the points you have made; the seeds have been sown for a potential Civil War storyline, but whether Marvel truly did intend all along to make the storyline come to life is debatable. We'll never get into their heads but you make good arguments for why that is the case.

But if we do get Civil War...Who will fight who? No Spidey, possibly no Luke Cage by that time...Hawkeye would probably side with Captain sure, but who else?
Peel
Peel - 10/21/2014, 12:41 PM
@DCGuy, this is how you write an editorial.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 12:43 PM
@batz11 Totally agree! And I'm going to look real dumb by calling a $1 billion hit "underrated", but that's exactly what Iron Man 3 is...in the fanboy community, at least. It's excellent, and the hate for it is so unwarranted IMO.

@dethpillow Thanks for reading! I'm glad you appreciate my overview of the MCU Cap and Tony characters...because that's definitely something that frequently gets overlooked. Just like you said, most people here are too busy comparing those versions to the comic versions, and that most likely just leads to frustration.

But what the movies are doing is delving into what really makes these movie characters tick. Like, that's the whole point to the MCU. And that was the gist of what Iron Man 3 was about, too: "Does the suit make the man, or does the man make the suit?" IMO, the movies have been going above and beyond in order to really characterize these heroes and make them into something special. The least we can do, as fans, is to follow in those footsteps.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 12:48 PM
@HarrowingGreen That's such a great point. For all this theorizing...I literally have no idea what could make Tony and the Hulk go at it in Age of Ultron. Either way, it'd be real cool to see the dynamic of how Cap responds to Tony and Bruce's falling-out and the Hulk-buster.

@Scorpion8125 Thanks for reading! I agree that it would be awesome to have Thanos and/or his minions on Earth, wreaking a little more extra havoc while all this is going on. Marvel's definitely playing a long-term gameplan with Thanos, but they can at least sneak in a few more hints about him in the meantime, right?
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 12:53 PM
@sikwon and @TheGoddamnPeel, Thanks for reading and for the kind words!

As for who will fight who...I really think it depends on how Age of Ultron ends up changing things. I keep hearing that it's going to end with Cap assembling a completely new team, and that HAS to have something to do with the Avengers "recruits" in all those set photos from a while back.

If that's the case, then I wouldn't be surprised to see those characters reappear in Cap 3, along with all the other holdovers from the previous MCU movies (Falcon, War Machine if he's not killed in Ultron, Black Widow, Hawkeye, the Twins, etc etc). It's going to be real interesting to see how the alliances play out, especially because Cap 3 was described as an ensemble film.
Mukreks
Mukreks - 10/21/2014, 12:56 PM
I think they have been building since the first Iron Man, when Tony Stark reveals he is Iron Man at the press conference.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/21/2014, 1:04 PM
@dethpillow Totally. Like, the spectacle and grand scope and scale of Civil War is going to be pure eye-candy to see on the big screen and all that...but I just think it's really brilliant to use such a massive event to just focus in and dissect what actually makes Cap into Cap, and what makes Tony into Tony, you know?

And the whole discussion of what the artists meant to do and intend to do...it's A LOT more complicated than it seems to be on the surface haha. Like you said, I'm sure there's plenty of folks who start work on their own movies and just kind of figure it out as it goes, while others (probably Chris Nolan) probably plan EVERY SINGLE detail out. Who really knows where Marvel fits in? But either way, when it works, you get the MCU. When it doesn't, I guess you get the early X-Men movies.
ManThing
ManThing - 10/21/2014, 1:06 PM
No. I don't think so. Because what they are planning with CA3 is not the Civil war
Guerillas
Guerillas - 10/21/2014, 1:09 PM
Well i think that the superhuman registration act can be altered into superheroes just need to be goverment-sanctioned. The whole deal with them being secret does not work cuz pretty much all the superheroes are public and people know their identity.
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