DC Studios Boss James Gunn Reveals Why The New DCU Is So Much More Than Just "Marvel 2.0"

DC Studios Boss James Gunn Reveals Why The New DCU Is So Much More Than Just "Marvel 2.0"

DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has addressed the perceived similarities between the MCU and DCU, revealing why what they have planned is much more than just "Marvel 2.0" and what gives them an advantage...

By JoshWilding - Feb 01, 2023 05:02 AM EST
Filed Under: DC Studios
Source: Collider

A lot of different names started doing the rounds online when it was revealed Warner Bros. Discovery was hunting for someone to take charge of the DC Extended Universe. Ultimately, they chose two people to bring this 10-year plan to life: The Suicide Squad writer and director James Gunn and Shazam! and Aquaman producer Peter Safran.

With that, DC Studios was created, and following yesterday's slate reveal, the excitement for the DCU is palpable. 

While only time will tell whether they have what it takes to finally create a true shared DC Universe, Gunn arrives in this role with a fair bit of experience in comic book franchises after taking charge of Guardians of the Galaxy for Marvel Studios.

So, is the DCU just a knock-off MCU (the similarities between the names are hard to ignore) or truly something new for the genre? 

"A lot of people think this can be Marvel 2.0. And definitely, I learned a lot of stuff at Marvel," Gunn said at a recent press event (via Collider). "You know, I think that we have a lot of differences. I think that one of the reasons why I love DC is it really is another universe. It's an alternate world."

"In Marvel, generally, it's, you know, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, and then everyplace else in the world is a fictional universe for some reason. Here at DCU, we have Metropolis and Gotham and Themyscira, and Atlantis, and all of that is another fictional universe."

Gunn would go on to confirm that the DCU is a world where "superheroes exist and have existed for some time," and went on to reveal the advantage he believes this franchise has over the MCU.

"We are telling a big, huge central story that is like Marvel, except for, I think that we're a lot more planned out than Marvel from the beginning," the filmmaker and DC Studios co-CEO explains, "because we've gotten a group of writers together to work that story out completely."

"But we're also creating a universe that is like Star Wars, where there's different times, different places, different things, or like Game of Thrones, where characters are a little bit more morally complex."

Gunn certainly seems confident, and it feels like he and Safran are dreaming up something really special with this slate of movies and TV shows. It's about time DC finds the success it deserves on screen, anyway, and "Chapter 1: Gods and Monsters" feels like a great start. 

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NightEagle3
NightEagle3 - 2/1/2023, 5:16 AM
Not going to lie, and I'm really not trying to sound like a hater here but, with the slate he announced. It will be lucky to even be considered Marvel 1.0 🤷🏿‍♀️🤷🏿‍♀️
pitbull76
pitbull76 - 2/1/2023, 6:36 AM
@NightEagle3 - plp forget the mcu started with some of what comic book plp would consider b list characters not all but at least half due to rights issues and now to movie fans they are household names.If done right I think DC can do the same.I know it's cliche but I do believe variety is the spice of life.I hold no alleganst I want all comic book movies succeed
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/1/2023, 6:44 AM
@NightEagle3 - I am willing to give him a chance.

When Disney Marvel have a slate that includes

Agatha
Ms.Marvel
Echo
Ironheart
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/1/2023, 6:54 AM
@pitbull76 - The entire MCU was built off of B, C, and D list characters.

Hulk was the only A-lister in the beginning. Even Captain America and Iron Man were B list. Non-comic readers probably heard their names but wouldn't have been able to tell you their origin, or alter ego, or anything about them. Not lime they can with characters like Hulk, Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman. Those are A listers

So yeah, just because some of DC's slate are unknowns doesn't really mean anything. If Superman and Lanterns can win people over, then the fans will come back for the more unknown characters.
pitbull76
pitbull76 - 2/1/2023, 7:15 AM
@CorndogBurglar - Agreed not saying it will work just wish plp would give in a chance. I'm not a sheep I like all comic book movies in general if done right no matter the company.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 2/1/2023, 8:09 AM
@NightEagle3 - Agreed.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/1/2023, 5:17 AM
I mean, it's basically the same as the current model for Marvel, and there's nothing wrong with that. Do what makes money for once lol
IcePyke
IcePyke - 2/1/2023, 5:21 AM
Moriakum
Moriakum - 2/1/2023, 5:53 AM
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 2/1/2023, 8:41 AM
@Moriakum - This was pretty much my reaction, perfect gif lol
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 2/1/2023, 6:27 AM
Only 9 comments with a headline like that, this site ain't what it used to be, ey?
Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 2/1/2023, 7:26 AM
@Doomsday8888 - no it’s just that the DC news is spread out on 10 different articles.
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 2/1/2023, 6:28 AM
Brave and the Bold being based on Morrisons run, and the mention of Batman and Robin being father and son, indicates we’re getting Damien. So many Robins and everyone has wanted Robin and this is what we get, the Robin that no one likes. Careful what you wish for I guess haha.
Vampyre75
Vampyre75 - 2/1/2023, 6:34 AM
This isn’t Marvel 2.0 it’s just a continuation of DCEU. Same mistakes being made nothing fresh no reboot. Batfleck old Batman at the end of his career with young Cavill superman at the beginning of his. Superman legacy starting out young at the daily planet Batman brave and the bold old Batman with all previous robins overlooked to go with one of the last robins his son Damien. Door left open for miller and gadot to continue well people will see continuation of same flash and wonderwoman. Momoa doing double duty of aquaman and lobo good luck with general public making the distinction. Same Amanda Waller with Violet Davis whom will connect both suicide squad movie which are supposedly in the old universe again a continuation. No reboot just same hot mess universe
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 2/1/2023, 6:57 AM
He's putting all this on himself. Win or lose, he is taking responsibility for what's to come and I respect that. Hoping for the best. I can't even imagine who they'll be picking for Superman and Batman. ROBIN! We're getting a Robin!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/1/2023, 7:00 AM
"superheroes exist and have existed for some time"

I wonder why they're not just moving on with the current DCEU then. Keeping Waller, but rebooting Superman and Batman just feels kinda confusing.

Guess focusing on Gods & Monsters does help set itself apart from the MCU though.

Not sure yet about the different times as settings though. Feel like they should first establish a groundwork, before going into different directions.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/1/2023, 11:20 AM
@bkmeijer1 - This is a very important point.

"Superheroes exist and have existed for some time" is not a good way to start a universe. There is no groundwork there. That's one (of the many) reasons people couldn't jive with the Snyderverse.

Defining the metagene in some form in one of their first projects would certainly help.
Like the opening of X-Men 2000, with Patrick Stewart explaining mutants and therefore not only setting up the premise of the world but also allowing them to introduce characters that already have powers without needing to give them all individual origins.

Other than that my inner geek is salivating at the prospect of this universe.
I just don't know if the GA will be there with me. And we kinda need their money to keep this thing going, but they will reject it if they don't understand it. We need them to invest in it and for that it needs to be something they can respect, not just a stupid cartoon fantasy where people have powers just because.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/1/2023, 11:43 AM
@ObserverIO - I think it can work with superheroes having existed for some time. It's just come to how it's introduced and hooks the audience.

Like you say, the X-Men does it well. It introduces everything within context. X-Men does it through Wolverine and Rogue stepping into the world of mutants, and through them we're introduced to what is going on in that world.

It's something Lucas' Star Wars movies and James Gunn's The Suicide Squad do really well too. We follow one protagonist (Luke in Star Wars, Savant in TSS) and never see things unfolding further until it's introduced in their worlds.

And since Gunn has already showed he mastered this in TSS with Savant, I'm confident he can do it again with this new chapter.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/1/2023, 1:29 PM
@bkmeijer1 - True it's all in how they do it. Not sure I agree about TSS though, there was never really a good explanation in the Snyderverse about metahumans. I see what you're saying about Savant though, but it would have benefitted from an explanation of the metagene too.

For instance, a self-respecting cinema-goer who takes every film at face value would look at TSS and wonder why Arm Fall-Off Boy has superpowers. The movie never tells them how or why, it just expects them to accept it.

Audiences don't need much to go on. Just an excuse to suspend their disbelief. But if they don't get anything, then they will usually just dismiss it as silly.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/1/2023, 2:30 PM
@ObserverIO - that's definitely true in that it doesn't explain superpowers.

What I meant more was that we start the movie with Savant, who is in some kind of superhuman prison. We then meet other superpowered villains through his perspective, is thrown on that team and sent on a mission.

In just 10 minute we knew what is going in what kind of world.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/1/2023, 3:12 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Yeah, we need that audience perspective for sure. Maybe we'll get one on Creature Commandos or Waller.

That would actually be a good place for both the Savant-esque introduction to the world and also an explanation of the metagene, since Amanda Waller entire job is dealing with Metahumans. Maybe she's involved in shady governmental experimentation on humans to activate their metagenes and give them superpowers and we see all this through the eyes of a newbie.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/1/2023, 5:35 PM
@ObserverIO - would be funny if Weasel is Creatire Commandos point-of-view character. If he's like this TSS version, I somehow think he's perfect for it.

As for Waller, I really expect her to play a Fury or Coulson type role in that she's there to connect the dots. Maybe that's why we get her show first.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/1/2023, 7:20 AM
I get what he means, and Phase 1 was a mess, this seems a lot more planned.
However, he is starting this first "chapter" at a very bad moment, there is a genre fatigue that at this point is undeniable, I care about this genre, and the "10 years plan" sounded exhausting, general audiences wont be interested in following 20 movies until we get another Justice League movie (2033?)
Mankzin2
Mankzin2 - 2/1/2023, 5:16 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - I don't think there is overall fatigue concerning the genre. Chalk it up to dissatisfaction with the quality and story telling of marvel properties since EndGame (by the way I didn't like as much as Infinity Wars). I am sure the next 3 DCEU movies will be good and tied into the new DCU as the characters are good Aquaman, Shazam, and Flash. Blue Beetle maybe included if it is a success, since it is really a stand alone movie.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/1/2023, 7:14 PM
@Mankzin2 - Is the eternal "chicken or the egg" debate, was Phase 4 really that bad, or maybe now we realise the MCU was always mediocre?
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