EDITORIALhe problem with Hulk Movies! How to make a good one

I finally got around to watching the incredible hulk, a very watchable film but with 1 major flaw.

Editorial Opinion
By Trickwil - Apr 25, 2014 12:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Hulk

One reason people liked the Hulk so much in the Avengers is because the Hulk was actually the bad guy. Now Whedon is obviously a comic book nerd because the 2 villains in Avengers issue 1 was the Hulk who was  tricked by Loki into rampaging and a random group of heroes got the call instead of the Fantastic Four.

To make a great Hulk movie Banner needs to be not the hero but the victim and then Hulk is the bad guy, until the very end when he actually defeats some far more dangerous villain.

The first opening sequence of TIH lacked all suspense and conflict because you don't like Blonksy or anyone working for Thunderbolt Ross and you know Banner can't die. This is the big problem. But what you need is to feel for Banner but also not want him around.

If I was writing a new Hulk movie I would cause some reason why Banner can no longer control the Hulk. I would want to tap into Marvel cosmic. Something that can tie us back to GotG. Then I would have Banner when he became himself again send a call for help out to all of his super hero friends something tragic like "Please kill me" 

Someone like Hawkeye responds but it could be Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. They battle the Hulk. Thunderbolt Ross Also gets the call and begins preparations to finally degeat the Hulk. using a great scientist from the comic hopefully Sampson. They use the formula used by Mr. Blue, and using some of Captain America's blood come up with a toxin that they believe will destroy the Hulk once and for all.

Hulk now in a new rampage kills a bunch of children and kills someone that matters to him. At this point a final solution is decided. Hawkeye discovers an encrypted Email to stark from banner explaining that he built a machine that would launch Hulk into space and they just need to trick the hulk into it. With Hulk's lack of intelligence he would never return to earth and the problem with the Hulk would be solved forever.

Hawkeye decides to carry out Banner's wishes.

In the meantime using a helicopter flown only by Thunderbolt Ross, he finds the Hulk while he's destroying a small town. He prepares to fire the missile with the toxin in it but the helicopter is damaged. The helicopter crashes presumably killing Ross. There is a massive fire and a red cloud erupts from the broken missile.

Hawkeye tries one more time to calm the Hulk and this time is successful. Banner returns and apologizes and begs Hawkeye to kill him or use the plan. Launch him into the cosmos. Hawkeye tranquilizes the Banner and brings him to the machine, Straps him down and begins the launch sequence. 

In that moment Hawkeye gets a message that something more dangerous and worse than the Hulk is out there. He halts the sequence and runs outside. The Red Hulk is destroying everything, lighting things on Fire with punches, breathing fire and destroying the city that the machine is built in.  (Some small midwestern town)

Hawkeye attempts to stop the Red Hulk but is knocked unconcious. Red Hulk destroys the building that the ship is housed in and all that is left is the ship with Banner tied down inside. Red Hulk is about to kill a bus load of children and Banner awakens and realizes only the Hulk can save them He is able to make himself angry enough to become the Hulk. The 2 battle. At the end The Hulk defeats the red hulk but is very hurt and turns into Banner. Banner then beaten and bruised walks into the ship at the end and begins the launch sequence. Hawkeye watches and realizes it's a mistake because the Hulk can do good and defeated the monster known as the Red Hulk but he can't convince Banner the ship takes off the film ends.

Obviously this is just a plot overview and there would need to be a lot more character development. I think introducing the She-Hulk as Banners cousin with no powers, she could be the character that is "killed" and you can do a scene where to save her from her injuries Ross or someone else misguided gives her a blood transfusion of the Hulk's blood making her survive but Green. There should be more opening sequence character development. Have this be a tragedy. Banner never gets to have anything because the Hulk destroyed it. The Hulk needs to be the antagonist and you need to be afraid for everyone else in the universe because only then as an audience is there conflict. Thunderbolt trying to catch bruce, who cares he's the Hulk he'll get out. But the Hulk destroying everything...well there's the problem who can stop the Hulk? No one. So you end up in fear for everyone in the MCU because if they don't stop the Hulk here then it will just get worse and worse. 

Though this would preclude the Hulk from being in an Avengers movie it could introduce him to marvel cosmic maybe have him be the enemy in a Nova Movie. Nova Corp vs the world breaker. Obviously this would also destroy the idea of World War Hulk. Unless you can have the Hulk completely take power (possibly Thanos or Loki Magic) and blame the humans for allowing Banner to launch him into space.

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ALegendaryPanda
ALegendaryPanda - 4/25/2014, 12:28 PM
Fail
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 4/25/2014, 12:34 PM
I already used this one another "article", but what the heck...
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 4/25/2014, 12:37 PM
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 4/25/2014, 1:32 PM
Hulk 2- Doc sampson, rick jones, the leader, absorbing man (just serve a purpose like batroc did in ca:tws. thats how it should go.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/25/2014, 1:33 PM
All you did was name characters....
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 4/25/2014, 2:01 PM
@Trickwil

Well, to be fair to @dougie he did comment on the article rather than complaining about this being on news and posting stupid pictures.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 4/25/2014, 2:11 PM
@TheManFromMars-touche, and yeah I changed it to editorial but my damn student unplugged my computer and I forgot when I reloaded it to fix it. Live and learn.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 4/25/2014, 2:13 PM
This is not a good hulk story. Not for film. It's just characters and action beats with no real purpose besides seeing the hulk as a bad guy. People liked hulk in the avengers because he was fun. That's it. Not because he fought Thor and black widow. It was when he punched the leviathan knocked Thor out of frame and smashed Loki to bits. All scenes of fun. I agree that hulk needs to be scary and dramatic but he also needs to be fun. He's a big kid that needs guidance. He's a monster for sure but the fact he's able to be controlled from time to time tells you he's just trying to be understood.
Humby
Humby - 4/25/2014, 4:12 PM
@TheManFromMars - Coulson's face on May's head looks like Geddy Lee from Rush hahahaha. That $hit made my day.
HaroldOfGalactus
HaroldOfGalactus - 4/27/2014, 12:53 AM
We wont see a standalone hulk sequel for a long time. Not because the house of mouse and marvel dont know how to make him work, but solely for the simple fact that universal studios owns the distribution rights to hulk movies, and marvel studios would have to split all revenue. In a market where a movie can earn several million dollars and still not break even,especially with a relatively new studio who already has their sxhedule full production wise for at least the next decade...... nobody is going to just give away money like that, bot when tou can use him in an avengers movie and not technically have to give a penny to anyone. After all the own the rights to distribite hulk films, and the avengwrs is a different product. Dont you just love legal red tape and political grey areas?
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