They Didn't Know Their CBMs Would Suck: Judge Dredd

They Didn't Know Their CBMs Would Suck: Judge Dredd

When he was out promoting Demolition Man, Sylvester Stallone expressed a new-found love for science fiction, which eventually led to him signing up for the first adaptation of Judge Dredd. Maybe we would have all been better off if he’d loved the genre a little less.

By EdGross - Mar 23, 2011 10:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Judge Dredd

Back in 1995 I have to admit that I was pretty ignorant when it came to this executive judge character and the comic of Judge Dredd, so when I ended up conducting interviews with a number of behind the scenes personnel associated with it, I have to admit that they swept me up in their enthusiasm (which happened quite a lot back then, now that I think about it).

But to be fair, can you blame me? Screenwriter William Wisher (who co-wrote Terminator 2 with James Cameron), filled me in on a bit of the history of Mega City One and Mega City Two and then mused, “Judge Dredd actually has a lot more in common with the old Soviet Union than the current United States. I think all bureaucracies intrinsically want to grab more power. I don’t care how benign and sweet the original mission of that organization. It’s the nature of bureaucracies, so you have to keep vigilance. Now I happen to be very conservative, and even I don’t understand why anybody thinks it’s a good idea to give the government or any organization more power. The stuff that’s come out since the Oklahoma City bombing is very disturbing to me. As tragic as the bombing was, it’s still disturbing to hear people basically say, ‘since we never want this to happen again, let’s just take away all of the safety mechanisms.’ Guess what: If that happens, five years from now there will be a big thing about reinvestigating the ATF and FBI, like what happened in the ‘70s. The guidelines were formed because our rights and freedoms were abused, but people seem to have short memories.”

Those are some real fancy words there, Mr. Wisher, but what in tarnation do they have to do with Judge Dredd?



“On one level” – there he goes, tying it all in – Judge Dredd is a fun movie. Just underneath the wild fun, however, there’s some very serious things going on, and the audience – while they’re enjoying it – will be able to see the world that we’re living in right now reflected back in a very exciting way. I hope to some degree that that resonates with people – that Judge Dredd is seen as a bit of a cautionary tale as well.”

Ah…no. Sorry.

Executive producer Ed Pressman enthused to me, “What separates Dredd from other action heroes is that he’s a guy with a gun in one hand and the book of law in the other. That is a very interesting image.”

Added executive producer Andy Vajna, “This is a fantastic adventure in a landscape you’ve never seen before. The look of the movie is just spectacular. It has a Blade Runner feel to it, but it’s different from that. It’s a roller coaster you ride for 95 minutes.”

Blade Runner? 95-minute roller coaster ride? Hot damn, I liked the sound of THAT!

And then there was director Danny Cannon, who expressed the fact that he had been a fan of the Judge Dredd comic from an early age, so this opportunity was a dream come true and a chance to put his knowledge of Dredd and his world on the screen.

“In the comic-book series,” Cannon enlightened me (oh, chill out , I wasn’t being sarcastic– I mean that. I had no idea), “ Judge Dredd’s face has never been revealed. But the writers of the movie saw the removal of the character’s helmet as a way to humanize him, to crack the armor of the impervious professional and give him an identity.

“This is every bit as much an epic passion play as it is a sci-fi film,” Cannon added. “I didn’t want audiences merely to be dazzled by the special effects” – see how long ago this was: they weren’t even called VISUAL effects then – “I wanted them to connect with the characters. The difference between this action movie and others is that this is an old-fashioned Hollywood picture that has passion and emotion, which are played with conviction. Sort of a cross between Blade Runner and Star Wars.”

Now THAT sounds like a hell of a movie. When’s it being released?

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Ven0m
Ven0m - 3/23/2011, 10:38 AM
First! I liked the original Dredd. And Cant wait for the new one. Sci Fi still kicks ass.

I AM THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ironfistninja
Ironfistninja - 3/23/2011, 10:39 AM
New one should be awesome
JediMasterJimMorrison
JediMasterJimMorrison - 3/23/2011, 10:42 AM
I actually enjoyed this film lol
RedeyeJedi
RedeyeJedi - 3/23/2011, 10:43 AM
I liked the old one when I was a kid, so I guess I'll be watching the new one.
Malfunk1
Malfunk1 - 3/23/2011, 10:46 AM
The Stalone Dredd movie did not suck. It was a
pretty good for a CBM in it's time. I still watch it
today when it plays on the telle. This movie is a bad
choice for the "They Didn't Know Their CBMs Would Suck"
roster. Booo.
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 3/23/2011, 10:46 AM
Well the movie was no oscar worthy film, but I think I enjoyed it... I think
drykillogic22
drykillogic22 - 3/23/2011, 10:46 AM
I enjoyed the old one, No matter how good a movie is. There will always be those who think it's bad. Can't please everyone I guess.
Spock
Spock - 3/23/2011, 10:52 AM
I was super hyed during 9th grade when this came out. All that power!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/23/2011, 10:53 AM
They Didn't Know Their CBMs Would Suck: X-MEN FIRST A$$.... CLASS


:)


This movie DID NOT SUCK.... wasn't great but wasn't a cluster [frick]???

I don't get these articles lol??

Wheres BATMAN & ROBIN... WH@REZONE etc???
localman
localman - 3/23/2011, 10:58 AM
Back in 1995, nobody thought about making a Comic Book Movie that really followed the source material. The audiences were different, and people went to the movies for STARS. They wanted to see STALONE in an action movie, so the idea of keeping his helmet on the entire time would be unthinkable.

Given the times, Judge Dredd is an OK movie. People expected certain things from a Stalone action flick, and this film mostly gives it to them. Just imagine, however, how much better it would have been without Rob Schneider.
EdGross
EdGross - 3/23/2011, 10:59 AM
Alright, everyone, calm down. Put down your knives and guns.... I'm just gonna back away slowly....

Difference of opinion. I didn't think the film lived up to the advance hype and certainly not what people told me, hence its inclusion in this series.

And Leee, I didn't actually cover Batman & Robin, so while I will likely include it at some point, it'll come along later on.
Joe6Pack74
Joe6Pack74 - 3/23/2011, 11:01 AM
It did not suck for the time it was made. Punisher with Dolph Lundgren sucked when it was made.

First Class is also not going to suck.
Spock
Spock - 3/23/2011, 11:14 AM
Hell i still like, Rob Schnider was funny as hell @ the time! I must be a geek, nerd, whatever. We all r!
fullmetal
fullmetal - 3/23/2011, 11:22 AM
shut up Edgross...you make a living off of judging others...people who actually have talent and artistic skill...people who actually work hard...what do you do? manage a nerdy site and eat potato chips, sitting on your fat ass...i liked Dredd, especially the villain played by Armand Asante
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/23/2011, 11:24 AM
It did suck. It was garbage. And that fact that Mr "insult to the true fans" Lee there likes it is a joke. This took more liberties with the material than ANY Fox X-Men film all rolled together.

Fullmetal, your a miserable, bad tempered jackass. I have never seen you say a single positive thing about anything or anyone on this site. Don't blame Ed because you have lousy taste in movies.
kriswone
kriswone - 3/23/2011, 11:44 AM
I still get the chills up and down my spine when he says:

"I didn't break the law... I AM THE LAW!"

Oh man that was awesome.

PLUS you will have different opinions depending on if you were familiar with the original content, and which side of the pond your on.

EdGross
EdGross - 3/23/2011, 11:46 AM
This if far from the most mature moment in my life, but every now and then....

Fullmetal...bite me.

I've posted thousands of articles on this site and I think TWO of them have had a negative slant, both under the title "They didn't Know Their CBMs Would Suck." I have done many hundreds of interviews over the years in support of the people who labor on the films and TV shows that we watch, and my articles herald their efforts.

While leaving the size of my ass and whether or not I like potato chips out of it, just to clear things up a bit: I'm executive editor of three print magazines, contributing editor to a fourth, author of a couple of dozen non-fiction books, a contributing editor to this site and editor of another.

As I said at the outset: bite me.
tehdude
tehdude - 3/23/2011, 11:48 AM
wow Ed, looks like you've got some people upset. look at fullmetals comment. you can feel the nerd rage radiating off him. anyway, i agree with you. the movie sucked.
comicbookjerk
comicbookjerk - 3/23/2011, 11:50 AM
ED YOUR A GENIUS!!!!!!

YOUR NEXT ONE SHOULD BE "THEY KNEW IT WOULD SUCK" Featuring The Fantastic four (1994) Movie lol
ablee337
ablee337 - 3/23/2011, 11:51 AM
I hated it because of Stallone. Can't understand the dude when he yells, he sounds like a caveman and he came off cheesy when he was acting all tough. I did like the ABC Warrior robot and Mean Angel and Diane Lane wasn't bad but felt the absence of Judge Anderson.
Buddha29
Buddha29 - 3/23/2011, 11:56 AM
I liked the hillbilly cannibal cyborg guy. I thought his make-up, get-up, costume whatever was pretty frickin' good for back then. Didn't hate the movie. It's one I'll flip back to during the commercials of what I'm actually watching.
Boogie138
Boogie138 - 3/23/2011, 12:04 PM
when i saw it i thought it was good. revisited years latter and nostalgia aside; its nothing special. not bad but far from rewatchable. a good looking empty experiance.

to those who hate this flick: i understand dudes

to those defending: i am glad you enjoy the movie. i just find myself wanting to watch something else.
Shaman
Shaman - 3/23/2011, 12:10 PM
This movie is flat out my VERY favorite Stallone film ever. It is also part of my top 10 favorite CBM list. I never read a Judge Dredd comic in my life but i sure as hell loved this film with all my heart. I still do and always will. But even though i do prefer CBMs to stay faithful to the source's essence(not it's specific details), i don't feel it makes the film bad for deviating from it. It only means that i'd be dissapointed should i have been a fan of the source, prior to viewing the film. But take away Rob Shtapler, and there is literally nothing wrong with this film. Then again, the plucky comic relief is mostly the problem with plenty of films, especially in that era for some reason.
Daniellantern
Daniellantern - 3/23/2011, 12:17 PM
wow, i liked it when i was a kid.. I Am the Law!
redsoxdude
redsoxdude - 3/23/2011, 12:23 PM
Nice job Ed as always. I love the insight you get from behind the scenes.

Also all i can do *clap* to your response to Fullmetal.
vrbuzard
vrbuzard - 3/23/2011, 12:42 PM
It's not the worst CBM ever but this one would have been loads better if they ditched Armand Assante and Rob Schneider

IAMDALAW!
frigidgiantinthe716
frigidgiantinthe716 - 3/23/2011, 1:18 PM
No cbm had taken it as far as dredd did. Yes rob Schneider sucked and Stallone was well... Stallone. But I enjoyed it at a younger age. I thought it was visually entertaining. They used mean machine and ABC robot which was great. I'm a little more concerned with the new dredd. Why? You may ask... no judge death!
frigidgiantinthe716
frigidgiantinthe716 - 3/23/2011, 1:20 PM
When I say no cbm I had completely forgot about Burton's Batman flicks because Batman returns was a little hokey and campy in my opinion. Still good but dredd was cool
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 3/23/2011, 1:57 PM
The movie was bad! If you liked it that's fine, just admit you liked a bad movie. And it's funny, alot of the First Class haters tend to like bad movies, coincidence? It's also funny how people can get mad at others for pointing out some flaws in an obviously bad movie while they do the same about a movie they have NEVER SEEN!
BlackSands
BlackSands - 3/23/2011, 2:45 PM
Personally, I liked it and it wasn't that bad really for the time - they got Dredd almost perfect in visual style (something the new one missed coz I SWEAR that some of the shots and set pieces are Robocop set rip-offs) - though the codpiece Stallone wore kinda ruined it a little, but it's protection, so I can get behind that a bit. Story-wise, the main plot was almost dead-on Dredd - too bad they added a love interest and some comedy to it that wasn't necessary. Looking back, I can see why some die-hards didn't like it. They made the movie accessible to those not really in-the-know as it can be clearly seen by those that liked it as a straight up semi-action/comedy flick that borrows elements of classic Dredd. There's no pleasing everyone and that is fact.

As far as CBMs go, Judge Dredd was NOT the worst of the worst at all - there were even a few scenes that were likable and memorable because we wouldn't be having this discussion if there weren't.

@Ryguy88... now you're stereotyping, and that's just as bad. Each of us have our own personal tastes and we can shore up our beliefs without pandering to mass concession. There are some of us that know what we're talking about when we say that we hate First Class and can logically prove it - the smarter ones. From the tidbids Singer and Co. dropped, he even made concessions on his OWN movie bible for his X-Men 1 on the new one -- in other words -- new continuity trying to tie it to his older film with a different slant... how the hell is that even logical?? ....that in itself is obvious and proven with quotes from the interviews themselves.

Some of us here actually KNOW how to think before jumping on a bandwagon regardless of the inconsistencies and our feelings on the subject. Bottom line, don't dis someone without proof and understanding either side or you'll end up looking like you're just talking BS without knowing the whole story.
preacher
preacher - 3/23/2011, 2:49 PM
I really liked it. But, like others, I have never read a Judge Dredd comic other than Batman vs Judge Dredd. Now that the new one is coming out, I intend to start reading what is obviously, from the reactions of the fans out there, a spectacular story.

I'd rather find a compilation. Typically it's cheaper that way. Anyone got any suggestions of a particular Judge Dredd story I should start with?
MoumentheBatman
MoumentheBatman - 3/23/2011, 2:49 PM
Yeah right! I'm sure taking off Dredd's helmet has nothing to do with Stalone wanting to show his face!
HAQ
HAQ - 3/23/2011, 3:12 PM
I AM THE LOAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ICStoopedPeople
ICStoopedPeople - 3/23/2011, 3:23 PM
Going to jump on the "I enjoyed the original" bandwagon here -- *but* I've never, ever read a Dredd comic.

Looking forward to Karl Urban picking up the mantle.
GrinderNanny
GrinderNanny - 3/23/2011, 4:21 PM
The only real problem with this film is that the props were WAY TOO shiny. They were so sparse in fact that they looked like plastic. That and comic retard Schnider was in it. Sure there were things that were over the top but who hasn't read the 2000 AD comics here and noticed that the dialogue and characters themselves are a 'tad' over the top?
BlackSands
BlackSands - 3/23/2011, 4:31 PM
@nailbiter111... the way I remember it... Judge Dredd and Rico were more likely "clone brothers"... Read the wiki: Senior Judge Joseph Dredd and his brother Rico Dredd were cloned from the DNA of Chief Judge Fargo, the first chief judge, in 2066. Their growth was artificially accelerated so that they emerged with an apparent physiological age of 5, with all the appropriate knowledge for their age electronically implanted in their brains by computer during gestation. The name Dredd was chosen by the genetic scientist who created them, Morton Judd, to "instill fear in the population."

That part was very true in the film.. and probably the almost perfect screen translation of the story to film.... I said "almost" because they took some liberties with the rest.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 3/23/2011, 8:56 PM
Fist ASS will be the worse CBM ever made. Its shit and all you cry babies can get over it. Also good work Ed. Its just your opinion not biggie. I did like Judge Dredd for its time. It wasnt that bad of a movie that people make it out to be. Ya re watching it, is it bad. Just a lil but consider it my guilty pleasure.

Seriously though Karl Urban is going to be a [frick]ing awesome Dredd and the new movie will kick ass!!!!
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