Which version of Flash and GL should be in JUSTICE LEAGUE and why?

Which version of Flash and GL should be in JUSTICE LEAGUE and why?

Wally, Bart, or Barry? Hal, Guy, John or Kyle? Hit the jump to read one humble cbm'ers opinion on who should be a part of the Justice League movie.

Editorial Opinion
By huckfinnisher - Aug 23, 2014 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Justice League
Source: Huckfinnisher

Being born in 1987, the Justice League I knew and loved was a little different than what it is now. For better or for worse new characters came and left, old characters came back, but was that for the best?

With a JL movie right around the corner, the roster has to be carefully chosen, You have to examine the market, you can't just put the original roster in the movie DC has already shown us that by choosing Shazam and Cyborg as original members in every “confirmed” roster. These teased rosters leave out two characters that fans know and love, so far there has been no official mention (unless you count green socks) of The Flash or Green Lantern.

The former has his own new show set to debut soon, and the latter has a critical failure under his belt, which is one reason they may be excluded. These reasons aside, I want to share my opinion on how you can include those characters successfully without suffering from the shame of the GL movie or confusing the general audience with multiple incarnations of a character.

For the flash, we go Wally West instead of Barry. Barry is not half as interesting as Wally imo due to their personalities. Barry Allen is a man with un-shakeable morals, a forensic analyst who is as wooden as he is one dimensional. If we went Barry in the movie, I'm sure his personality would be changed to be more like Wally's.

We have already seen super speed in DOFP and it lends itself incredibly well to humor. Wally is very humorous, Barry not so much (except his running joke that despite being the worlds fastest man he is always late), the Flash could also serve as an intro for us as a viewer. Wally being introduced to the league and his reactions would mirror our own. Wally is scared of Batman and awed by Superman, just as the general audience would be. Wally is relatable in a way that Barry isn't due to his immaturity. I know Shazam is already on the team and is immature and therefore could be used the same way, but the coolest part of Shazam is nobody knows he is a kid, so if we tried to put him in this same characterization it would take away from some of what makes him such a great character.

So now we have Wally joining a newly formed League, Barry already came and went. Maybe he is being the Flash wherever he is but he is only mentioned briefly to cement his roll as The Flash before Wally. Wally is our comic relief, our quicksilver with a bit more humility. I would prefer his original red headed incarnation, although with the right casting I think that can be overlooked (although I would prefer it wasn't.)

For GL we can't go Hal Jordan. The character is the epitome of lazy writing, his whole story and personality are cliché. The man who overcame the fear of flying planes so that he was able to... well fly planes, is about as inspiring as a toddler getting over his fear of sitting on the big boy toilet and getting a Green Lantern ring for it. He is repeatedly touted as the greatest GL ever, despite the fact that it is explained that the most powerful thing a Lantern can do is create a construct, and Kyle Rayner is far superior at doing that. Not only would it be more interesting on screen (would you rather see a giant fist or a perfect image of a horned demon or monster throwing a punch in emerald green?) but it makes more sense that the ring would choose someone for their creativity.

The ring can create whatever the wielder can imagine, that is the power of the ring. So would it really choose a man who makes the bare minimum in terms of constructs? Hal Jordan more often than not prefers just a beam of energy, but the ring is not a gun, it is so much more than just weapon. Kyle overcame the weakness of yellow, and was the first Lantern to do so. He never even knew there was a yellow weakness, but was still able to effect it, how is that not better than a man who had the same ring for years and could never effect yellow, resulting in at least one instance in Hal getting his butt handed to him by the boy wonder painted the color of pee.

Yeah Hal gets his butt kicked by a boy painted yellow, whereas Kyle would have destroyed Dick Grayson due to the fact he overcame the weakness without even realizing he had done it.

Besides his obvious superiority in terms of wielding the ring, Kyle's story as the last Lantern is far more interesting and makes Kyle the only person in the universe with those powers, as opposed to Hal Jordan, who is just one of many, and despite being touted as the greatest GL there is no evidence except his willingness to die for the corps to support that. If we go the Hal Jordan route you will have to explain why the rest of the GL's would not be there to help the Earth in it's time of peril. Even if it was Hal's sector, he should still be able to call on his fellow GL's for help if he becomes overwhelmed. So unless you want to go into a long winded explanation as to why the other GL's are busy etc. it's easier to go with Kyle and have just one quick throwaway line where they ask Kyle to call more but he says he is the last one left.

In closing even Batman thinks Kyle is a better GL than Hal, and who are we to argue with Batman?

 

 

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GreenLantern519
GreenLantern519 - 8/23/2014, 12:42 PM
I think the problem with Kyle is that his entire story is dependent on Hal Jordan, so you can't just start with Kyle unless you did some major changes to the material. Maybe they could have the GL Corps be a forgotten order or something, and a GL Ring happens to find Kyle because he's the only worthy person in the Galaxy, then he goes about reestablishing the GL Corps in his own films. Like I said, though, that would throw out a lot of canon and would require a lot of tinkering.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 8/23/2014, 12:48 PM
John Stewart and Barry Allen. John should be like in the Justice League cartoon and Barry should be like in Justice League New Frontier.
SwanRonson
SwanRonson - 8/23/2014, 12:49 PM
Screw that, Barry and Hal.

Good article though.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 8/23/2014, 12:49 PM
I mean I can see them using Wally to distinguish from the tv show but I really want to see Barry done right.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 8/23/2014, 12:50 PM
I can definitely see John and Barry having chemistry even though I don't think they've ever been together in the comics.
supermanlives
supermanlives - 8/23/2014, 12:53 PM
I would definitely want Barry Allen and Hal Jordan, the rest are optional.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/23/2014, 12:59 PM
@ huckfinnisher You should add a poll to this article.

On topic, Barry and Hal. I wouldn't have a problem with John Stewart, but eventually I want to see the entire corp. John, Hal, Guy, Kyle and all other supporting Lanterns like Kilowag and Tomar Re.

The questions we should be asking is if they go with Hal will Reynolds return? If not who should play him? Who will play Sinestro? I thought Reynolds was fine in the role but WB should distance themselves from that film thus John Stewart is the best choice even though I prefer Hal.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/23/2014, 1:03 PM
@GliderMan

I thought it was a fun time but it definitely should have been much more. Green Lantern should have been what Guardians of the Galaxy was. It gets too much hate though. For what it's worth I liked it more than both Thors and IM2 and 3
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/23/2014, 1:04 PM
@Dingbat thanks man good idea.@Spidery5194, yeah I suppose I didn't think about that. I assumed he would have already existed, as in Kyle was not the first human GL. Hal had already sacrificed himself and the Gaurdian's already sacrificed themselves for Kyle's ring its just that Kyle and the League doesn't know about it. Just throwing Kyle in there without referencing Hal would make a lot of people assume he never existed.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 6/24/2016, 1:32 PM
@huckfinnisher -
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/23/2014, 1:07 PM
@Dingbat Do you know how do you do that? Sorry first time article.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/23/2014, 1:08 PM
@huckfinnisher

Sorry can't help you there. I've never written an article either. I don't even know what the editor looks like.
ScottMontgomery
ScottMontgomery - 8/23/2014, 1:12 PM
How on earth do you think either Hal Jordan or Barry Allen are one dimensional or weak characters?
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/23/2014, 1:21 PM
@ScottMontgomery, as I stated in the beginning of the article I was born in 1987 so when I first started reading comics those characters where both dead. Then when they decided to bring them both back and have them replace their replacements haha (confusing I know but you get what I mean) I was hurt and insulted. I attempted to gain an appreciation for the characters but I find them very boring. Hal's constructs (as I already mentioned) are boring, his personality is very boy scout. The same goes for Barry, the joke that he is always late is his schtick, other than that he is a boy scout, un compromising morals. I just can't relate to them, just like I can't relate to the rest of the original league, they were made in a different time. I respect all opinions though and tried to state imo after everytime I made a statement like that.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/23/2014, 1:26 PM
Someone should give a quick tutorial on how to make a poll to insert into an article. Any takers?
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 8/23/2014, 1:41 PM
Barry and Hal or no Flash and GL
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 8/23/2014, 2:14 PM
I agree with TheDudeRusty and while we're talking about, it needs to be them. So too does the Martian Manhunter need to be on the team.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 8/23/2014, 2:15 PM
I don't care, as long as whoever is involved is appropriately cast and well-written.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 8/23/2014, 2:44 PM
Wally and John
Like the animated show!
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 8/23/2014, 3:11 PM
I just hope Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter are added eventually.
ScottMontgomery
ScottMontgomery - 8/23/2014, 3:20 PM
@huckfinnisher
Everyone has their own preferences, I just consider Hal Jordan and Barry Allen to be the best Green Lantern and Flash. In the Justice League movie I hope they have Barry Allen as Flash and either Hal Jordan or Jon Stewart as Green Lantern. They could always introduce more human Green Lanterns in the next Green Lantern Corps movie
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/23/2014, 6:21 PM
@Scottmontgomery, I would love to hear your reasons because i can't understand. Maybe i just an missing some thing that if you told me i would get it.
LegendaryOutlaw
LegendaryOutlaw - 8/23/2014, 6:46 PM
Barry Allen so as to not confuse the general audience about who flash is because of the show.

I'd prefer Hal Jordan, but it might be best to have someone different to separate from the GL standalone. So in that case I'd say John Stewart.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 8/23/2014, 10:39 PM
Good work and i'd be okay with it.

I would love to see Kyle Rayner as Green Lantern or even John Stewart. As for the Flash i think it would be best to go for Bart Allen. Don't use or depend of the CW have these character's be re-cast.
NerdyMcNerd
NerdyMcNerd - 8/24/2014, 2:40 AM
Hal Jordan....make the Gl movie canon, just learn from mistakes going forward....it was Hal's first adventure.... He could be presented in Justice League as being more experienced
Kyos
Kyos - 8/24/2014, 3:02 AM
I have to give my support to Wally and John. I liked them a lot in the DCAU, and I think they'd bring a good portion of humor to the movie-verse.

That being said: if the DCCU had the first mainstream GL and Flash apperances I'd definitely go with Barry and Hal. But I'm afraid the DCCU needs to distance itself from a) the unpopular Ryan Reynolds movie and b) the CW Flash show.
DCGuy
DCGuy - 8/24/2014, 4:51 AM
WALL OF TEXT!


dude get some pics in the article.
EmaHalJordan
EmaHalJordan - 8/25/2014, 9:31 PM
Hal & Barry !!!
CeltiC527
CeltiC527 - 8/27/2014, 11:28 AM
You're a [frick]ing idot. Do you even read Green Lantern comics?

"The character is the epitome of lazy writing"
- You must of not read Geoff Johns very successful 9yr run on GL that starred Hal Jordan.

"He is repeatedly touted as the greatest GL ever, despite the fact that it is explained that the most powerful thing a Lantern can do is create a construct, and Kyle Rayner is far superior at doing that."
- It's not about what construct they make, it's about how strong their willpower is that makes the construct strong. Lets say some GL rookie makes a construct that looks 'cooler' than a construct that Hal makes, that doesn't make the rookie's construct stronger.

"it makes more sense that the ring would choose someone for their creativity."
- Do you know what stupid that sounds? They are space cops! Creativity doesn't mean shit! A Green Lantern is chosen based on their ability can overcome fear. And yeah Hal isn't the most creative guy but it is his willpower and his fearlessness that makes him the strongest GL.
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"Yeah Hal gets his butt kicked by a boy painted yellow, whereas Kyle would have destroyed Dick Grayson due to the fact he overcame the weakness without even realizing he had done it."
- What comics are you reading?
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"Besides his obvious superiority in terms of wielding the ring, Kyle's story as the last Lantern is far more interesting"
- Yeah...that's why Kyle's book didn't sell shit huh? And once DC brought Hal back his numbers way outsold anything that starred Kyle.
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