REBEL MOON: Zack Snyder Hits Back At Claims He's "Delusional" After Saying It Would've Made $1.6 Billion

REBEL MOON: Zack Snyder Hits Back At Claims He's "Delusional" After Saying It Would've Made $1.6 Billion

Earlier this year, Zack Snyder shared his belief that, based on Netflix viewership, Rebel Moon - Part One: A Child of Fire would have beaten Barbie at the box office. Now, he's responded to the backlash...

By JoshWilding - Apr 23, 2024 04:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi
Source: io9 (via SFFGazette.com)

Doing the rounds to build excitement for his Rebel Moon movies, filmmaker Zack Snyder made a bold claim when he talked to Joe Rogan about the potential box office success of Part One: A Child of Fire

He reasoned that, had the movie been released in theaters, it had the potential to earn more than Barbie

Reflecting on A Child of Fire's success on Netflix, Snyder explained, "Say right now, [Rebel Moon has] like almost 90 million views...80 or 90 million accounts turned it on, give or take. They assume two viewers per screen, right? That’s the math..so that’s 160 million people supposedly watching; 160 million people at $10 a ticket, that’s $1.6 billion."

"[Barbie made $1.5 billion.] So more people probably saw Rebel Moon than saw Barbie in the theater," he continued. "That’s how crazy Netflix is - that’s the distribution model that they’ve set up."

While Snyder was seemingly just making a point about the reach Netflix has compared to traditional big screen releases, it didn't take long for people to point out that his math was off and how it was borderline delusional to think Rebel Moon would ever make that much money. 

Talking to io9 (via SFFGazette.com), the Rebel Moon - Part Two: The Scargiver director was asked if he was saying that theatrical distribution is no longer as important as it once was. 

"Oh, no, I would say it’s kind of the opposite," Snyder explained. "What I was implying was, well, there are two things. One is I was just going by the numbers that I was given by Netflix. People are like, 'Oh, well, Snyder’s crazy' but literally I just am doing [math] with this, not anything else. If now we’re close to 100 million viewers, 100 million views times two is 200 million views."

"So, people are like, 'Snyder’s delusional,' and I am just like 'I don’t know what to tell you.'"

"Who knows what [Barbie’s] done on Max and all that," he added. "The cultural significance of Barbie was happening when it was in the theaters. That’s when we all took a bite of the Barbie apple, and happily. And so my only point is that I think there is a theatrical zeitgeist [and] even though maybe more people have eyes on something, the actual sort of cultural significance is dictated still by the theater."

It appears Snyder doesn't believe Rebel Moon was a bigger hit than Barbie after all, though it's important to note that Netflix often counts just a few seconds of viewership as a "view," meaning the figures they gave him were likely way off, regardless. 

Rebel Moon - Part One: A Child of Fire has 21% on Rotten Tomatoes, while the sequel - Rebel Moon - Part Two: The Scargiver - has earned a dire 17% since hitting Netflix last Friday. Barbie, on the other hand, sits at 88%.

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RedHood92
RedHood92 - 4/23/2024, 4:42 AM
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Origame
Origame - 4/23/2024, 4:43 AM
Problem is you're assuming all those people would've been willing to pay the flat fee of $10 per person in theaters. That's a huge difference compared to being free with the monthly subscription and allowing any number of people to watch it with you at no charge.

This is simple economics. Adding cost is gonna disincentive people from watching.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 4/23/2024, 8:02 AM
@Origame - right. I watched it on Netflix because I already had Netflix, but I wouldn’t have paid to go see it in a theater.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 4/23/2024, 3:29 PM
@Origame - Not sure where you live, but I don't even pay $10 for a matinee. Not to mention if you go to Imax or a theater with recliners. Easily $20 a pop or more.
Origame
Origame - 4/23/2024, 3:39 PM
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 4/23/2024, 4:47 AM
No, Zack Snyder movie that was helluva lot better than these Rebel Moon movies made that much, so c'mon man...lol.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 4/23/2024, 4:53 AM
I was actually indifferent on the hate he got for mos and bvs because i liked those.

But seeing rebel moon part 1 (havent seen pt 2 yet) mad me convinced he is indeed delusional
WhateverItTakes
WhateverItTakes - 4/23/2024, 5:10 AM
"Go away now"
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 4/23/2024, 5:11 AM
Lmfao

I love the way he lives in his own bubble at times.

Batman & Superman together on the big screen for the first time couldn't crack a billion but he thinks RM could of? 😭😅
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 4/23/2024, 5:22 AM
@DeadClunge - Yup, I mean I get the math of it but not how it ever realy works in practice cos the point being that maybe checking out the first 5mins of something never means you would ever have considered going to the cinema to watch it. If anything we are in a time now where even movies a LOT of folk DO want to watch don't do well at the box office cos most tend to wait to stream in most instances. That isn't me saying there wasn't folk who did want to watch the films, just that I suspect streaming views for everything is a LOT higher than ticket sales these days with typicaly those passing a billion being more about some repeat viewing than entirely reflective of the number of people going to see it on the big screen.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 4/23/2024, 5:14 AM
Never assume shit, that's the main problem.

"When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me."
Neo3
Neo3 - 4/23/2024, 5:21 AM
Using his math Wednesday would have made 4 billion.
Neo3
Neo3 - 4/23/2024, 6:01 AM
@Neo3 - that is hours not accounts
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/23/2024, 5:55 AM
I was handing out free porno DVDs of me and my wife yesterday.

I went out with a case of 'em. 500. Gave every single one of them away. Some were like 'um, no thanks' but most were like 'sure, [frick] it, why not?'

Porno DVDs go for $50 each.
500 x $50 = $25, 000.

If I were selling those DVDs for $50 each, I would have made $25, 000 that day.

...right?
Every single one of those people who were like '[frick] it, why not?' would have paid me 50 bucks if I had asked them. That wouldn't have changed their minds about taking the free DVD at all.

"Literally I just am doing [math] with this, not anything else."
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 4/23/2024, 7:11 AM
@ObserverIO - you sir, are brilliant! You win the internet today. This is the most on the nose comment ever. I applaud you. Dunno how to gif on my phone so....
Moriakum
Moriakum - 4/23/2024, 6:24 AM
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WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 4/23/2024, 7:17 AM
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MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 4/23/2024, 8:49 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - that was a FANTASTIC movie, imo
Forthas
Forthas - 4/23/2024, 8:11 AM
Clearly Zack did not excel in math. It is so bizarre the following he has amassed. What is it about him that attracts these people. I like a couple of his films but on balance he is a horrible story teller. The best thing that Snyder can do for himself is just adapt other peoples stories and stop trying to create new ones.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/23/2024, 8:16 AM
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GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 4/23/2024, 9:07 AM
"Oh, no, I would say it’s kind of the opposite," Snyder explained. "What I was implying was, well, there are two things. One is I was just going by the numbers that I was given by Netflix. People are like, 'Oh, well, Snyder’s crazy' but literally I just am doing [math] with this, not anything else. If now we’re close to 100 million viewers, 100 million views times two is 200 million views."

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LeDiableBlanc
LeDiableBlanc - 4/23/2024, 9:11 AM
I watched it because it was there. Most stuff that I watch in Netflix, I wouldn't spend the time to go to the theater to watch it.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/23/2024, 11:50 AM
@LeDiableBlanc - exactly. And I think that goes for most people. People have Netflix already anyway, so might as well watch what's on there. Only reason I watched Part 1
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/23/2024, 9:27 AM
I like Snyder's visual style but yeah no way would this have made over a billion dollars.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 4/23/2024, 9:30 AM
Bro is wild
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 4/23/2024, 9:52 AM
Hella delusional.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 4/23/2024, 9:52 AM
i dind think he is delutional, now i do
NGFB
NGFB - 4/23/2024, 10:27 AM
He's mad. . . a mad genius!
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 4/23/2024, 10:46 AM
It's important to remember that Zack Snyder just... he just sorta talks without pre thinking anything out... He just sorta talks, and keeps talking in the hopes that eventually people forget the initial question and will just be satisfied with him saying words for a few minutes.

So... If you as the reader are attempting to have any semblance of a rational take away from his interviews... Well I mean there aren't even rational take aways from the majority of his films, so his interviews aren't any different.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/23/2024, 11:49 AM
Well, he's not wrong about his math about how many people watched the movie. The delusional part is assuming every single one of them would've gone to the cinema for this, while most people probably only watched it because they had Netflix
rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 4/23/2024, 11:58 AM
I definitely don't think Rebel Moon would make that kind of money in theaters because of the reviews. Even though I thought Parts 1 and 2 were enjoyable in spite of what the knucklehead nerds will say.
Kozmik
Kozmik - 4/23/2024, 12:21 PM
I've implied it before, though I'm stating it outright now: Zach Snyder is out of his mind.

Rebel Moon - Part Two: The Scargiver is not good (nor was Part One) and I'm thinking of preparing a video review illustrating why.

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