STAR TREK 4: Quentin Tarantino's Movie Was A "Hard R" With PULP FICTION Violence - Here's Why It Didn't Happen

STAR TREK 4: Quentin Tarantino's Movie Was A "Hard R" With PULP FICTION Violence - Here's Why It Didn't Happen

Quentin Tarantino's Star Trek co-writer Mark L. Smith has revealed that the movie was going to be a "hard R" and sheds new light on why the legendary filmmaker decided against making the sci-fi project...

By JoshWilding - Dec 23, 2023 09:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Trek
Source: SFFGazette.com

In late 2017, the long-delayed Star Trek 4 finally got a much-needed - and extremely unexpected - update when the news broke that Quentin Tarantino was working on a script for the movie. The Revenant's Mark L. Smith joined the legendary filmmaker on writing duties for what looked to be the Django Unchained helmer's first blockbuster.

Talking to Collider (via SFFGazette.com) about his new movie The Boys in the Boat, Smith shared new insights into how unique the scrapped Star Trek movie could have been. As for why it didn't happen, it comes down to Tarantino's determination to release only 10 pictures before his career behind the camera ends!

"Quentin and I went back and forth, he was gonna do some stuff on it, and then he started worrying about the number, his kind of unofficial number of films," Smith explained. "I remember we were talking, and he goes, ‘If I can just wrap my head around the idea that ‘Star Trek’ could be my last movie, the last thing I ever do. Is this how I want to end it?’ And I think that was the bump he could never get across, so the script is still sitting there on his desk."

"I know he said a lot of nice things about it. I would love for it to happen," the writer continued. "It’s just one of those things that I can’t ever see happening. But it would be the greatest ‘Star Trek’ film, not for my writing, but just for what Tarantino was gonna do with it. It was just a balls-out kind of thing."

Tarantino plans to retire from filmmaking when he releases The Movie Critic but, when it came to Star Trek, it doesn't sound like his approach to the franchise was the sort of popcorn entertainment seen in those first three movies led by Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto.

"I think his vision was just to go hard. It was a hard R. It was going to be some ‘Pulp Fiction’ violence," Smith continued. "Not a lot of the language, we saved a couple things for just special characters to kind of drop that into the ‘Star Trek’ world, but it was just really the edginess and the kind of that Tarantino flair, man, that he was bringing to it. It would have been cool."

"I liked it because I think it’s different, but the way that ‘Ragnarok’ changed things. It was like suddenly it had a different feel for the Marvel stuff. It was like, ‘That’s fun. That’s different,'" he concluded. "And I guess ‘Guardians [of the Galaxy]’ to some level, but it was just like a different vibe and that’s what I thought that it could bring to ‘Star Trek’ was just a different feel."

We've previously heard that this Star Trek movie took its cues from the 17th episode of Star Trek: The Original Series titled "A Piece of the Action." That followed the Enterprise crew as they visited Earth during the 1920s when gangsters ruled cities like New York and Los Angeles. It's unclear which actors and characters were going to appear.

Matt Shakman and Noah Hawley have both since been attached to a fourth Star Trek movie but the project seems to have largely stalled. In fact, based on comments from the previous cast, a full-blown reboot seems most likely. 

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CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 12/23/2023, 9:20 AM
Here’s why it didn’t happen.


Quentin Tarantino's Movie Was A "Hard R" With PULP FICTION Violence .
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/23/2023, 11:14 AM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - yeah, I think we all knew that one. It's like making Superman a hard "R." .... oh, wait ... they did (BvS). Unless it's WAY down the line and the Injustice storyline; but no studios would let that happen.
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/23/2023, 9:23 AM
Those Mother F*ckin Klingons.

Alucard28
Alucard28 - 12/23/2023, 9:38 AM
Stupid concept. Star Trek is not meant to bea ultra violent thing.

create a new sci fi thing and be creative with that.
Alucard28
Alucard28 - 12/23/2023, 1:33 PM
@Alucard28 - sorry for the typos lol
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 12/23/2023, 9:46 AM
Gotta' admit; on the occasions that I've gone to watch a STAR TREK movie on the big-screen, I wasn't going for the sake of seeing sadistic levels of blood-shed, F-bombs and (because this is Tarantino) gratutitous shots of women's bare-feet. However, Quentin directing a totally original sci-fi space adventure with totally original characters would peak my curiosity. 🤔
JaKBaLLTV
JaKBaLLTV - 12/23/2023, 9:46 AM
a Roy-Al with cheese, and a side of Andorian RedBat
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 12/23/2023, 9:56 AM
For anyone wondering how this would work, Tarantino's Star Trek film, taking place in the alternate Kelvin Universe, would have been a remake of the Original Series episode, A Piece of the Action.

For those who haven't seen it, a previous Federation visit to a native planet accidentally left a book about 1920s Chicago behind, and when the Enterprise arive back on the world, they learn the entire society has built themselves around 1920s gangster culture.

Tarantino has always wanted to do a Tommy gun and pinstripe suit gangster flick, so this would have allowed him to have his cake and eat it too. It wouldn't have been Kirk and Spock cussing on the bridge, but Kirk and Spock finding themselves on a planet where Pulp Fiction violence is normal to the population.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/23/2023, 10:04 AM
Star Trek would benefit from some new management and a way of approaching the franchise. Star Trek suffers from being episodic (having numerous self contained stories instead of an ongoing operatic narrative). This is why I never refer to it as a space opera. It's stories mostly don't build on the previous ones. They might want to apply a space opera format which would change the feel of the films and TV shows.
Origame
Origame - 12/23/2023, 10:12 AM
@Forthas - ...what's wrong with episodic content? I really think the mcu and shows like breaking bad and game of thrones have ruined our perspective on storytelling. There's nothing wrong with just having a story begin and end in one movie with no set ups.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/23/2023, 10:19 AM
@Origame - I never stated there was something inherently wrong with it but I think that people become more invested in evolving stories over time that builds on the previous episode/movie.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 12/23/2023, 10:10 AM
Tarantino went downhill fast after Pulp Fiction.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 12/23/2023, 10:48 AM
@PartyKiller - In what way, asks the majority?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/23/2023, 11:16 AM
@PartyKiller - Whuh?!

PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 12/23/2023, 5:04 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - There are articles that say it in depth. Pulp Fiction was a masterpiece. But unlike great directors, he never made another masterpiece. A cult favorite maybe.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 12/23/2023, 5:23 PM
@PartyKiller - So, no answer then?
TheLobster
TheLobster - 12/23/2023, 10:25 PM
@PartyKiller - lol get the [frick] outta here man
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/24/2023, 4:18 AM
@PartyKiller - Inglorious Bastards is a masterpiece.
Baf
Baf - 12/23/2023, 10:31 AM
Hard R violence is why Lobo would have been great his space adventure.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/23/2023, 7:20 PM
@Baf -

Lobo would be a perfect DC character for Tarantino to tackle.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/24/2023, 4:21 AM
@HulkisHoly - One day Kevin Feige is gonna be eating a burger and realise that if he would have asked Quentin Tarantino to write and direct a Luke Cage miniseries, he would've said yes. And he'll realise it's too late.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/25/2023, 10:31 AM
@ObserverIO -

Accurate
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 12/23/2023, 10:34 AM
People here acting like the modern Trek shows currently don't have "gritty" violence and cursing.

Not saying that's a good thing.
nhoj3
nhoj3 - 12/23/2023, 10:39 AM
Tarantino's vision of Star Trek sounds a lot like Rian Johnson's vision of Star Wars, which is a twisted version of what that individual would appreciate about the property rather than what has made it enduring for the fan base.

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is the best Star Trek since TNG. Happy that we got this instead of what sounds like an abomination.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/24/2023, 4:27 AM
@nhoj3 - It sounds like that, but I don't think it would've actually been that.

1. Only certain characters would have cursed. There would have been no out of character cursing.

2. The premise of the movie was a 1920s Chicago gangster thing, based on an old episode of the original series. The whole point of it is that it's an unusual fit. Spock with a Tommy Gun. Star Trek has done this many times.

3. Star Trek has always been plenty violent. Kirk would get in a fist fight every episode, the franchise is full of space battles and such. Look at how violent Wrath of Khan or First Contact gets. This would have been more violent than that, but like point 2 explains the setting would have been different and would allow for a more gangster type of violence.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 12/23/2023, 10:49 AM
Can't wait for The Movie Critic!
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 12/23/2023, 11:27 AM
Glad it didn’t work out. I’m tired of people trying to reinvent something that doesn’t need to be reinvented. He should make up his own sci fi universe instead of hijacking one that’s already been established for decades. Typical creative lazy mind.
PeterDarker121
PeterDarker121 - 12/23/2023, 1:17 PM
"'KLINGON', muthaFKKKA: DO you SPEAK it!!??"
S8R8M
S8R8M - 12/23/2023, 1:51 PM
Game for the script. Not the director.
LSHF
LSHF - 12/23/2023, 2:41 PM
There really is nothing from keeping him from directing as many films as he wants. It's okay to change your mind.

Pete Townshend did (he quit hoping to die before he got old and now he's happy to be alive, enjoys playing live more than he has for many years, is on friendlier terms with Roger than ever, and happy to be alive.

I think Q.T. could handle directing more films without him struggling with it. It seems silly for him to hold himself to his.
blitzkreg
blitzkreg - 12/23/2023, 5:02 PM
As a Trek fan for over 45 years....I wish this movie had happened.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/24/2023, 4:29 AM
@blitzkreg - you get it
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 12/23/2023, 5:35 PM
I don't think it would have happened even if Tarantino wasn't very strict with his limited numbers of films he wants to do before he retires. The IP has some cornerstones with certain boundaries and I can't imagine the high execs or those that own this (Paramount) just giving him such reign free in fear of creating some polarizing reactions from hardcore fans.

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