SPIDER-MAN Star Willem Dafoe Reveals Why Norman Osborn Is More Fun To Play Than The Green Goblin

SPIDER-MAN Star Willem Dafoe Reveals Why Norman Osborn Is More Fun To Play Than The Green Goblin

Spider-Man star Willem Dafoe has reflected on reprising perhaps his most iconic role in 2021's Spider-Man: No Way Home and explains why he's always found Norman Osborn more exciting than the Green Goblin.

By JoshWilding - Dec 30, 2024 05:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man
Source: Empire Online

Willem Dafoe first played the Green Goblin in 2002's Spider-Man and reprised the role almost two decades later for Marvel Studios' Spider-Man: No Way Home. That appeared to be where Norman Osborn's story ended, though fans remain eager to see the actor suit up again.

In an interview with Empire Online, Dafoe was asked about the mostly negative response to the Green Goblin mask in the early 2000s and No Way Home immediately ditching that to focus on the actor's face. 

That decision proved to be a genius one on Marvel Studios' part as it allowed Dafoe to bring the villain to life through his demented and often terrifying facial expressions. However, for the Nosferatu star, the role has always been about Norman. 

"It was just a pleasure to return to that character. Just like the original, I like the fact that within a scene it could careen from being goofy comedy to drama to action. It has a lot of tricks up its sleeve. And it was a double role," he said. "Everybody concentrates on the Green Goblin, but that’s mostly action stuff. I like doing that, and I think I can do it gracefully."

"But the real meat in the first one is the guy without the mask, Norman Osborn. Those are the meaty scenes. So when people complain about the mask, it’s like, 'Come on.' The role is Norman," Dafoe continued. "And then in [No Way Home], we have a little bit more Norman, because part of the game is, you don’t know how much of the Green Goblin is back and how much it’s Norman. That’s the whole play."

In Spider-Man, the Goblin dies in a comic-accurate manner when he's impaled by his own glider. The actor has died in many of the movies he's starred in and admitted he gets a kick out of seeing himself perish in so many wildly inventive ways. 

"I do. Because... it raises the stakes. Everyone, unless they’re asleep, has an imagination about their death. So when you’re in a little fiction, getting to play out this kind of fantasy of imagining a version of what could happen to you, even in these extreme cases, something about that experience is elevated. It’s not normal. It’s very specific and it’s personal, but it’s not you, because the circumstances are not of your life."

"So that’s where you’re really able to tap into that childlike imagination of playing cops and robbers. Because you have a stake, and some kind of understanding of the fear, the drama of dying. And you’ve thought about it, somehow. So then to enact it, even without any real risk or any real reality, is a beautiful exercise. I’m sure somewhere there are some rituals in various cultures where it’s done to help people prepare for their death."

Doing the rounds to promote Nosferatu earlier this month, Dafoe was asked if he could continue Norman's story in Marvel Studios' Spider-Man 4

"We'll see. We'll see [Laughs]. I could come back," he teased. "Listen, Tom was great to work with and the whole series of Spider-Man films that I did were great fun. Great fun."

Would you like to see more of the Green Goblin in the MCU?

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 12/30/2024, 5:12 AM
I love Dafoe. The Spidey flicks need to go back to formula tho
MahN166A
MahN166A - 12/30/2024, 9:27 AM
@ProfessorWhy -

Back to formula…??
Matchesz
Matchesz - 12/30/2024, 9:30 AM
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MahN166A
MahN166A - 12/30/2024, 9:43 AM
@Matchesz -

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zeon00
zeon00 - 12/30/2024, 11:37 AM
@ProfessorWhy - power rangers style
AC1
AC1 - 12/30/2024, 5:53 AM
I'd be more than okay with Dafoe returning as the MCU-616 version of Norman and getting a chance to play a different version of the character if he's up for it, but I'd also be cool with another actor being cast as long as they can find someone who can do the role justice the same way he has.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/30/2024, 5:59 AM
@AC1 - I think if they take the role in a completely new direction, like HAMMER and Iron Patriot, comparisons to his Norman/Goblin will be non-existent.

Kinda why wanna see that direction. Dafoe himself could even return for it. It's still Norman, but the rest is completely different.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/30/2024, 6:08 AM
@AC1 - I wouldn’t want someone to do justice to Norman the same way as him because every actor brings something different…

If they try to just copy him , it wouldn’t work.

Anyway love Willem but if we do get Norman in the MCU , I hope it’s a different actor
AC1
AC1 - 12/30/2024, 4:55 PM
@TheVisionary25 - by "do justice the same way" I don't mean copy his performance, I just mean an actor who plays the role with the same level of talent and respect and enthusiasm for the character as he always has. Kinda like how the 3 actors to play Peter in live action have all brought something different to the role but each have done a fantastic job.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/30/2024, 4:58 PM
@AC1 - ahh ok

My bad then , I misinterpreted it
AC1
AC1 - 12/30/2024, 4:59 PM
@bkmeijer1 - yeah I agree, I'm not sure if we've discussed this before on another thread but I'd love it if he was in charge of HAMMER first as Iron Patriot and when he eventually does turn into the Goblin it's due to him trying to keep improving himself and it going wrong in some way or other, and for him to be kind of an antagonistic character from the get-go as opposed to Dafoe's Norman who is a bit of a dick but not necessarily an altogether bad person but is driven insane by the Goblin serum.
AC1
AC1 - 12/30/2024, 4:59 PM
@TheVisionary25 - no worries dude!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/30/2024, 5:18 PM
@AC1 - I do remember that being mentioned before, so could be. I like to think Peter Parker could have a hand in it too. Because he keeps treating Norman as a villain, he'll be turned into one because of that
AC1
AC1 - 12/30/2024, 5:26 PM
@bkmeijer1 - yeah I definitely remember you saying that before and really liked that idea too!
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/30/2024, 7:02 AM
It was interesting see how Watts & co characterized Norman in NWH as opposed to Raimi in the first film atleast.

He felt much more Jekyll & Hyde in that then the 2002 film , it felt like Norman was as much of a victim of the Goblin then anyone else which was the case in the original film to an extent until the lines got more & more blurred while here there was a clear delineation…

It’s like Norman got shaken back to how he was at the start of his transformation rather then just picking up how he left off which to be honest worked for me especially in terms of making him a more sympathetic character.

Anyway , I’m sure it was fun for Dafoe to play the character slightly different then he had previously for the most part which showed since he was absolutely fantastic!!.

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Spike101
Spike101 - 12/30/2024, 7:11 AM
Brilliant actor, and one of the best Spider-Man associated characters. I’m so glad Marvel hasn’t ruined him, in live action anyway. It would be great to see him again.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/30/2024, 7:28 AM
It was nice to see him back as Norman/Goblin… I liked the look for no way home. His face already is Go Lin like so adding the hood and goggles looked way better than the ol metal dome he had before.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 12/30/2024, 8:04 AM
He has been in all the best Spider-man movies.

Unmasking him wasn't genius on Marvel's part though, anyone who has seen Dafoe would have come to the same conclusion
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 12/30/2024, 8:14 AM
He's aquamans ass l*cker
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 12/30/2024, 8:49 AM
For shits and giggles, I put on NWH on yesterday. He’s so good as the goblin and it doesn’t hurt that he looks like a goblin. I get that he finds more satisfaction in the Norman part as an actor but as a viewer, he’s so sinister as Green Goblin

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