Destroyer14 Revisits SPIDER-MAN 3

Destroyer14 Revisits SPIDER-MAN 3

Spider-Man 3 is one of the most controversial comic book movies of all time. Here I revisit it, I've defended the film a lot in the past, has watching it now made me change my stance? Come check out my in-depth review.

Review Opinion
By Destroyer14 - Dec 30, 2011 08:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man 3
Source: My Blog



Ah, Spider-Man 3. It's been two years since I've last seen it, this would be my sixth time watching it. I was one of the few who came out of the theater satisfied, saw it on Blu-Ray, and loved it even more. I remember back in 2006 when it was the most hyped movie of the decade. Ah, the memories of me scouring the internet day in and day out searching for updates on it, coming to this site a lot in hopes of finding out new things about it. I remember seeing the first trailer and thinking "The Symbiote? That means.......VENOM!" My dream of a film. Spider-Man and Venom together on the big screen, that's what I was looking forward to. I kept searching "Spider-Man 3 Venom' in hopes of finding some info on what our favorite Symbiote would look like. I went through pages and pages of fan-art, it wasn't until the last trailer when we got some Venom action. Best. Trailer. Ever. I wanted to go see it opening day on May 4th, but I ended up seeing it eight days later on May 12th. I went in there in a "unbelivable, I'm actually about to watch it" mood. I enjoyed it, my friend whom I was watching it with thought it could have been better. I don't remember my exact feelings, I just remembered liking it. It wasn't until I got it on Blu-Ray two years ago when I realized just how great it is. Now that I consider myself a pretty good reviewer, I decided to check out this film again. Reading all the hate within those two years made me think "Was it really bad, did I just WANT to like it?" Now that I've seen it again, I can safely say nope. I still loved it. It's still my favorite comic book movie. I'll state my reasons and logic in the coming paragraphs.

Is it really necessary to mention the plot? By now everyone knows what it is. I guess I should mention it anyway. The story follows Peter, who is more upbeat than ever. Spider-Man is known to New York as a hero, and he's going to ask Mary Jane to marry him. Life is good. Until it is found out that the man who everyone thought killed Uncle Ben didn't. It turns out a man named Flint Marko did it, and he's currently on the run. Meanwhile, a small object from space has crash landed. In it, a black symbiote comes out. It eventually attaches itself to a sleeping Spidey. When he awakes, he finds himself on the side of a building in a black costume. He finds that he's stronger and faster with it and goes after Marko, who now has sand powers. Spidey manages to beat and seemingly kill 'Sandman.' Eventually, after a scene with Mary Jane, he realizes the suit is evil. He goes to a church and attempts to take it off. At the bottom floor, Eddie Brock, a fired photographer due to Peter calling him out on a photo-shopped picture, is there watching the whole thing. Peter manages to free himself from the symbiote, and the ladder goes down and attaches itself to Brock. They are bonded and become (you guessed it) Venom. On top of all this, Peter has to deal with Harry, who blames Peter for the death of his father, the Green Goblin.

I remember back in an interview for the now deceased Spider-Man 4 an actor said something like "My character is not dead." It was never known who it was, but it was probably Venom. Originally, Venom wasn't going to be in this film, it was the studio that wanted him in. I've read probably thousands of reviews saying all the negatives of the film. "Too much happening" being a main thing. Let's get one thing straight: I agree. There are too many plots. Sandman, Harry, the Symbiote, and Venom. Venom should not have been in the film, he should have been set up for the sequel. (Of course, now that there is no sequel, I'm glad they used him, imagine seeing Venom after the credits and then finding out Spider-Man 4 was canceled in favor of a reboot.) Sometimes the focus would be on one thing too long, and then another would be lost. Like, the Symbiote appeared, but was forgotten for sometime. And yes, the actual Peter-with-the-Symbiote plot should have been expanded. With all that said, I want to talk about why despite all that, it's still a solid film.

For a film with all that happening, it does a darn good job with making it feel not too rushed. The whole Harry against Peter thing was wrapped up nicely. The first fight between the two was wonderfully executed, everything about it was epic. The second fight between them was appropriately gritty. It's good stuff. In fact, the fight scenes in this film are some of the best I've ever seen in a comic book movie. The effects and CGI overall are step above from the previous films and still holds up great four years later. (Especially in Blu-Ray.) However, it's the cast that make this film solid. Very interesting cast of characters in this one.

A lot of people consider Toby Maguire's portrayal of the web head to be good, but lacking the character's trademark wisecracks. I agree, but in this film, he gives off the upbeat outlook on things Peter does in the comics. Gotta say, his portrayal in this film was spot-on. He brought the upbeat, humorous outlook portrayal from the comics. And I don't care what anyone says......I liked Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. She had a very 'sweet' outlook, the first couple of scenes with her is proof that she's a good Mary Jane. Her portrayal matches more of the late 80's comic version. It's a stretch, and I'm not saying she was perfect, but well enough. James Franco as Harry Osborn does a very solid job. One of the best in the film, his hatred toward Peter matches the comics well. (And the few scenes with Norman talking to him is amazingly done.) The 'New Goblin' design I found was cool, but would have been better if it actually had some Goblin features. Thomas Haden Church as the Sandman was superb. I especially liked the scene where Spidey came in and said "I'm the sheriff around these parts." And then Sandman just says "Okay." Now, for the main reason why I wanted to see this film in the first place, Venom.


Topher Grace was a rather interesting choice for Eddie Brock. When I watched Spider-Man 3 for the first time, I hadn't read much, if any Spidey comics with Venom from the Mcfarlane era. It wasn't until later that I realized how inaccurate the portrayal was. What incarnation was Raimi trying to do? The Eddie Brock from the mainstream universe was a rough, weight-lifting guy, not some puny person who gets threatened easily. It gave off more of an Ultimate universe impression. (And even then, it didn't match that.) With that said, the actual performance was mixed. On one hand, this version of Eddie Brock matches the comics 0%, but ignoring that, the performance was solid. (Of course, it's pretty much impossible to ignore that.) The actual transformation into Venom still ranks as my favorite movie scene ever. It was wonderfully executed. (I remember how amazing it looked on the big screen.)

A lot of fans complain at how Venom looked. He didn't match the bulky, Hulk-like look from his first appearances in the comics. While that is true, what a lot of fans don't realize is that in the Howard Mackie run, Venom wasn't his bulky self. In that run, he was thinned down and given more of a horrific look. I think the film's Venom was based on that run's version. So I'm alright with the look. My problem is that when he's Venom, Brock spends more time talking without the Symbiote covering his face. C'mon, that gets annoying. As for Venom's actual portrayal, I thought it was actually pretty good. I mean, I love the part where he has Spidey on the web, then he transforms into Venom, roars, then Mary Jane drops a brick on him, then he roars again and then he Spidey fall and start battling it out. (All of this is executed wonderfully with outstanding effects.) Look, I think the actual Venom portrayal was spot-on, he gave off that horrific feel, it was Topher Grace who brought it down. There is one scene that to this day I still don't like. Venom would never ask anyone for help in defeating Spidey, it just doesn't go. As for the other charaters. Gwen Stacy was one of the big announcements back in the day. After watching the film again, I can say that her character was not needed. She could have been cut off the film, not to mention that the actress who portrays her wasn't that great. Not a horrible job, but not great. J. K. Simmons did another great job as J. Jonah Jameson, and the French guy at the restaurant stole the show. (No joke, every scene he was in was priceless.)

The majority of soundtracks in comic book movies could be better. The soundtrack in this film stands above a lot of comic book movies, it has some great themes. (Spidey's theme never stops being so catchy.) I especially liked the theme where Peter battled Harry in the ladder's mansion, and Sandman's theme was dramatic. One of the big things with this film was the revelation that Flint Marko was the one responsible for the death of Uncle Ben. I still don't like how they did that, but it fits for the film. Then there's the infamous dance scene. Really, the majority DESPISE this scene. What do I have to say about it? The Symbiote plays on emotion, namely anger. I didn't mind the scene all that much, it was slowly turning Peter into an evil entity. Could the scene have been done differently? Of course, but it didn't ruin the film for me.

Overall, Spider-Man 3 is a very solid film. Some parts are rushed I'll admit. The whole Symbiote plot should have been expanded, and Venom needed a heck lot more screen time. Gwen Stacy shouldn't have been added, and there should have been a better Eddie Brock. However, none of it hindered the experience. I've seen this film six times now, and I've gained a better respect for it each time. It has lots of action to keep the viewer entertained, yet still keeps a good, emotional, and dramatic story. The effects are top notch, and looking back at it now as the final film of that continuity, it's a fitting end. I understand all the hate this film gets, but to call it one of the worst comic book movies is absurd. While I was disappointed at how underused Venom was, the film did give us Spidey and him in the same film, with good and decent portrayals of each. (Would have been nice if we got the "We're Venom!" quote.) Spider-Man 3 may be known as infamous, but it will always be my personal favorite comic book movie.

9/10.

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grifter
grifter - 12/30/2011, 9:16 AM
I am not going to lie, I enjoyed this movie. But It is the only Spider-man movie that I don't have on DVD. I'm not into Venom as much as everyone else. But I do wish that he and new goblin were the only villains in the film. Sam could have used his horror roots with Venom, truly a wasted opportunity. Here's hoping that the reboot does venom right.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 12/30/2011, 9:17 AM
IT COULDVE BEEN BETTER BUT I THINK RAIMI WAS URGED TO PUT VENOM IN BY AVI.
bathead
bathead - 12/30/2011, 9:18 AM
The worst problem with this movie is that Venom is only in it for about 15 minutes!!! WTF?? I was like you, wanting to watch a movie about spidey and the symbiotes and stupid Sandman takes up the whole damn movie. Worst script ever. Easily one of the worst comic book movies of all time. Right down there with Batman and Robin, and the first Punisher
NerdyGeek
NerdyGeek - 12/30/2011, 9:28 AM
Good review Destroyer! I think it's bit a underrated, 7/10 from me. Also, this is a fantastic review of the film...

Minghagz
Minghagz - 12/30/2011, 9:28 AM
While I respect the editorials opinion in the film being "solid," I for one can't sit through this movie for a 2nd time. I was so bored and unimpressed in the theater and I'll never have a desire to rewatch it. Overhyped for little to no excitement, IMO.
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 12/30/2011, 9:28 AM
For Spider-man 3:

Tobey as Spidey/Peter: Crap

Kirsten as MJ: Crap

Sandman as the "main" baddie: Crap

Venom rushed in with about 5 minutes to go in the movie and then "killed" off.: Crap

Dumb lines like, "Awesome" and "Wicked Cool", etc.: Crap

Everyone in the movie crying: Crap

Tobey's dance number: Epic...........................................fail

Overall rating for this movie: SH!T
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 12/30/2011, 9:33 AM
@Intruder I like that sort of slow motion, noise cancellation except a heart beat with some wind effect in that scene, but that's the ONLY thing enjoyable about this movie.
WellDrawn
WellDrawn - 12/30/2011, 9:34 AM
Speaks for itself:
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 12/30/2011, 9:39 AM
An awful, awful movie. Dreadful script, laughable acting and the mediocre action scenes didn't even manage to save the day. I don't know what happened to Raimi between Spider-Man 2 and this, but it's up there with X-Men: The Last Stand as one of the worst comic book movies EVER. (and that's coming from one of the biggest Spider-Man fans EVER)
Moonwalker1991
Moonwalker1991 - 12/30/2011, 9:40 AM
There is really no need to defend this film. Venom was crap. There was too much going on. Making Sandman Uncle Ben's killer? WTF? And Mary Jane. Apart from being nothing like her comic counterpart, she was so annoying in this movie. Gwen never should have been part of this movie. Eddie Brock had no character development. None. Two words with Parker and all of a sudden they're enemies. Poorly done. Regardless of who wanted what villain in the movie, THREE villains against one hero is pathetic. It might work in the comics or on a TV show but in a movie? There were some good moments, in the film and just because it's Spiderman I might watch once in a while, but that doesn't justify this film. And let's not forget how perfectly Doc Connors was established and set up to become the Lizard. HE should have been the villain, and Harry at most. Venom was too much. Bring on the reboot.
Moonwalker1991
Moonwalker1991 - 12/30/2011, 9:49 AM
@Welldrawn: Yes! I bookmarked that video. Hysterical.
Sparrowsabre7
Sparrowsabre7 - 12/30/2011, 9:52 AM
The French guy at the... You realise that's Bruce Campbell right? :P

I have to agree with your summation though, mostly SM3 had potential and I certainly don't hate it as much as most seem to.
CaptainDC
CaptainDC - 12/30/2011, 9:54 AM


Really?! When he wore the black shirt, he went EMO, danced around like an idiot, it was easily a terrible movie, how else would it have ended the Raimi spiderman triolgy? It was supposed to go farther then 3, but since this sucked, and the 4th one looked even worse, they ended it. SMH (shake my head) man, I have no clue what you're thinking
tocap
tocap - 12/30/2011, 9:54 AM
That movie was good, not the best cbm but good. For those who say they don't want to ever watch it again, go watch transformers 3. That is one movie i could not stand even the first time in theater, almost got up and left. I wisj they went away to make the fourth with vulture, would ahve been great and i'm pretty Raimi would have learn from past mistakes and put out a better film. Anyway, we'll never know.
Mastyrwerk
Mastyrwerk - 12/30/2011, 9:55 AM
Great review! Not because I also liked SM3, but because you articulated the strengths of the film and it's weaknesses and balanced them fairly; opposed to other reviewers that just butthurt over the bad stuff.

Now use the same formula and explain to everyone why X-Men: First Class was a crappy film.
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 12/30/2011, 9:55 AM
Yes, the movie had a lot of plot holes and some face palm moments but it was still a good film and captured the Spider-Man feel. This is a very good review.
SpiderBat209
SpiderBat209 - 12/30/2011, 9:59 AM
I mentioned this before about my friends and I watching this and we pretty much gave this film a "Mystery Science Theater 3000" treatment and we actually ENJOYED watching this film that way! lol

Watch this film as a fan, and it disappoints. Watch it and laugh at it, and you'll have fun. Go figure. XD
sinister84
sinister84 - 12/30/2011, 10:00 AM
9/10 ?!?!?!?!?!?!

What did you smoke?
SHHH
SHHH - 12/30/2011, 10:01 AM
CapFan79
CapFan79 - 12/30/2011, 10:02 AM
What I think really is an issue with the film is Dunst. We spend plenty of time on the first film and especially the second hearing Mary Jane whine about her career.

I felt that at the end of 2 that maybe she "got it". Peter could have used his powers to make money or get fame, yet he remained the poor college kid trying to take care of his aunt, get his education and make time for her all while protecting the city. He sacrificed everything.

But no, she's even worse in 3 and too much screen time is wasted on her. I actually enjoy the emo parts because I get it's tongue and cheek, and really Mary Jane deserved to get hit finally.

They should have stuck with just Sandman as the villain though. Half assing the Venom story made it even more silly that it is in the comics.
SHHH
SHHH - 12/30/2011, 10:03 AM
CapFan79
CapFan79 - 12/30/2011, 10:05 AM
Also the CGI was very poor in a lot of parts. The fight with Harry on the glider is very PS2 looking.

Sandman was about the only decent effect.
Supes17
Supes17 - 12/30/2011, 10:05 AM
I actually thought Toby Grace did a great job as Spidey. He had a great respect for he character, when I saw him on the big screen, it looked genuine.
It was fun cheering for the nerdy wimpy Peter as he transformed into a superhero.

But the studio killed it in part 3
Spider-Man 3 is controversial because it SUCKED

However, I would have given Raimi another chance.
Nick56
Nick56 - 12/30/2011, 10:06 AM
Spider-Man : 9.5/10
Spider-Man 2 : 10/10
Spider-Man 3 : 8/10

Great review, I agree it was very underrated
Supes17
Supes17 - 12/30/2011, 10:06 AM
The CGI was TERRIBLE in the scene where wet sandmam emerged from the sewers.
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 12/30/2011, 10:07 AM
Every problem I have with this film is geek-related. It's all stuff that the average viewer has no knowledge of or cares about. If I remove all that and take the film for what it is; I like it.

Popular to hate on, but some CBMs never see this level of production. All the Spider-man films are true blockbuster events. Don't front. Did they try to cram too much in? Yes. Was Grace the best choice for Brock? No. Can I sit through it and enjoy it? Yes. I take the good with the bad.

Supes17
Supes17 - 12/30/2011, 10:08 AM
My opinion
Spider-Man 7/10
Spider-Man 2 9.5/10
Spider-Man 3 6/10
Supes17
Supes17 - 12/30/2011, 10:10 AM
The average viewer was also disappointed by this. What do you call movie critics? CBM fans?
The film got mixed to negative reviews by film critics
ArrowToTheKnee
ArrowToTheKnee - 12/30/2011, 10:10 AM
Spiderman 3 gets a 9/10? What the actual frick?
Supes17
Supes17 - 12/30/2011, 10:12 AM
@Neo: Upgrade to Blu-Ray:p
ArrowToTheKnee
ArrowToTheKnee - 12/30/2011, 10:12 AM
Spiderman - 6/10

Spiderman 2 - 8/10

Spiderman 3 - 3/10
PaulRom
PaulRom - 12/30/2011, 10:18 AM
@NeoBaggins Sweet collections there.

Here's how I'd rate the trilogy:

Spider-Man: 9/10
Spider-Man 2: 9.5/10
Spider-Man 3: 6.8/10
PaulRom
PaulRom - 12/30/2011, 10:19 AM
Collection*
Julesimanerd
Julesimanerd - 12/30/2011, 10:27 AM
i'm so glad you posted this, i loved spiderman 3, i give it a 8/10. but great review
Mastyrwerk
Mastyrwerk - 12/30/2011, 10:30 AM
Oo! I'll rate them as well!

Spider-Man: 7/10

Spider-Man 2: 5/10

Spider-Man 3: 6.75/10
luckylu
luckylu - 12/30/2011, 10:30 AM
first 45 minutes were incredible but it slowly started to sink after that until it fell into a big pile of shit
WellDrawn
WellDrawn - 12/30/2011, 10:33 AM
@NeoBaggins - You own Halle Berry's Catwoman, yet you don't have Captain America?! Come on dude!
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 12/30/2011, 10:44 AM
@Supes17 LOL Im oldschool like that. The Blu-Ray stack is reserved for the likes of the LORD of the RINGS extended edition trilogy. I'd say STAR WARS, but DJ Gee Lou has a cluster-[frick] murder mix going on where all the characters are now yelling NOOOooooOOOahhh
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 12/30/2011, 10:48 AM
@WellDrawn HEY! That was a long time ago. I was curious. Didn't go see the movie and BEST BUY had this big o display... yada. And owning it isn't the worst part. It's FULL SCREEN too. Hey, I got Elecktra too!

I held off on Cap but I plan to get Cap and even Green Lantern at the same time on eBAY or something or TARGET. I don't like to have the list incomplete, but I don't think I can bring myself to get Jonah Hex. Does it have any redeeming qualities?
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