Lots of people think it's ok for Superman to kill. Should he? I don't think so (MOS Spoilers)

My apologies to anyone who hasn't seen the movie "Man of Steel". I kind of spoiled one particular scene with my title. And from here on, I will refer to the movie as "MOS". I apologize again for the minor spoiler I am going to elaborate more on.

I know I will get flamed for my views here, but with editorial after editorial declaring that Superman killing is OK I figured I'd give a view for the other side on why it's not.

Editorial Opinion
By Knight - Jul 10, 2013 02:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Man of Steel

If anyone wants to flame me for this, well, I'm expecting it. Everyone has a right to their opinion, including me. I'm not trying to start an argument, I just want a chance to have my say. If I come off as arrogant, selfish, thick skulled, etc, I apologize. I am merely giving my opinion and that is all. So, wheather you agree or disagree, here are my thoughts on why Superman should never kill.

In MOS, Superman's fight with Zod ends when Superman breaks Zod's neck, killing him instantly, in order to save a helpless family from being fried by Zod's Heat Vision.

When I heard this bit of news, my heart wrenched and I felt sick. I watched as the fan reaction was split in two and I shook my head in frustrating dismay. A lot of fans loved the scene and thought it was very powerful while a lot of other fans are as outraged as I am.

It's obvious what side of the fence I'm on. Superman should never kill under any circumstances no matter the cost. And here's why I know Superman should never kill and should never be written in a position where he has to take a life.

See, fans love to point out example after example that Superman has killed. That's not the question here, the real question is "should" he kill. My answer is no.

Superman isn't a policeman, he isn't your average soldier going to war with a gun defending his country or some kind of secret agent like James Bond. He's Superman, an alien from another planet with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. He's the first Super-Hero and many see him as an example to look to for inspiration, for hope and for justice. It's the never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.

With Superman's power set, finding another way should be easy for him compared to someone who isn't nearly as powerful and has limited options. If it's ok for Superman to kill Zod then why stop with him? Why not kill Luthor as well so he won't get away with crimes? I mean, think about it. Lex loves committing crimes then rubbing it in Superman's face, "You know I did this, but you can't prove anything." Thus, the cycle of the never-ending battle continues. A Superman who kills would just kill Luthor and be done with it. But why stop there? How about kill Brainiac or Mongul before they have a chance to invade Earth and potentially save millions of lives before they can be lost? How about killing corrupt politicians so we have a "good" Government run by honest men? The prisons are overflowing. Why not stop with his most powerful rogues? Superman can just take the prison guards out before razing every prison to the ground with the prisoners still inside. So what if a few innocent, and wrongfully imprisoned men, lose their lives? It's all for the common good right?

This is one of several reasons why I have a problem with Superman killing. A man of his power should never be put in that kind of position. Power corrupts absolutely as they say and the temptation to kill would just come on stronger the next time.

Superman could have saved that family from Zod in multiple, short term, ways. Freeze breath, spinning them both into the very Earth itself, tossing Zod up and punching him into space before grabbing him and slamming them both into the Earth to knock him out…whatever. Superman WOULD and SHOULD have found a different way. Superman should ALWAYS find a better way even when there isn't one.

Superman could have taken Zod's unconscious form to a hologram of his father and asked how Zod could be dealt with without killing him. Then Superman's daddy could have told him, "Put him back in the Phantom Zone." And then told Superman exactly how to do that. There. Simple as that. And that didn't require a whole lot of thinking on my part. But did David S. Goyer, who wrote this "out-of-character" scene think of a better way? No. He wanted the scene and didn't care.

To me, having Superman kill demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of a basic moral standpoint that has been a part of who and what Superman is for many decades. Killing someone goes against everything Superman represents.. It's part of his code, "I vow never to take a life" which Superman has stated numerous times.

And while Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster did have the early stories of Superman taking lives, that was a much, much different character back then. The character of Superman has evolved in the past seven and a half decades since those early days and a lot of writers have given Superman a strong moral compass that says, "I vow never to take a life." Each time that moral standpoint is broken, whatever the medium, it's not only way out of character but the writer in question doesn't "get" Superman and how he works.

Superman landed on Earth as a baby, raised by human parents then later becomes Superman. Superman is supposed to protect us, defend us, inspire us to be better than what we are. Thus, he must be above our base desire to kill when necessary and above our need of revenge. The moment Superman starts killing is the moment he's no better than any of us and thus he stops being Superman.

There are no precedents, no scenarios, no situation that should call for Superman killing Zod or any of his enemies. But that doesn't stop the fans from citing a number of examples where Superman has taken a life.

The first example is taken from "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" in 1986 by Alan Moore. In this story, Superman has a final encounter with Mr. Mxyzptlk who decides he's had enough being a funny imp who plays tricks on Superman and decides to turn totally evil. So, Superman is forced to kill Mr. Mxyzptlk. Because this went against his code of never taking another life, Superman permanentally removes his powers with Gold Kryptonite and vows never to be Superman again. He lives the rest of his life as a normal human being with Lois Lane and they have a baby together (and it's hinted the baby has powers). What most fans fail to realize is, this story is only a "hypothetical" story. It's not actually canon and never was. It was always a "What If?" type of story. So, moving on…

The second example is from Superman #22, a comic printed in 1988 and written by John Byrne. In two previous stories that lead up to this one, we are introduced to "Matrix Supergirl" who is not a Kryptonian (long story) and she's from an alternate universe. This alternate universe has only one inhabited planet. Earth. Why? Because it's a Pocket Dimension that was supposedly created by a being called the Time Trapper. So the entire universe within this Pocket Dimension consist of only Earth (one wonders, then, how Clark's ship landed on Earth when he's an alien from another planet, but whatever). On this alternate Earth, Matrix Supergirl takes Superman there and he is told that the General Zod of that universe destroyed the atmosphere of the planet and almost wiped out all life including 5 billion human lives.

But before Zod decided to wipe out 5 billion human lives, he tried to take over the Earth through force. But he was met with resistance. Tired of the resistance, he decides to just destroy Earth. So, in comes Superman and John Byrne's need to put Superman in a position to kill.

Let's back up here and examine this story. Zod wants to take over this Earth that exists in a Pocket Universe. It's already been established there is no other inhabited planet within this Pocket Dimension. So, Zod decides to destroy Earth? And then what? Where is he going to go afterwards? To what planet? None exist! Zod can't go anywhere else and now he's stuck with a planet that can't even support life because of his own doing. Yeah, what a genius plan. Byrne obviously wanted to give Superman an excuse to kill the three Phantom Criminals, but in the end it makes NO internal sense. None. Think about it.

In the middle of this story, it's firmly established that Zod and his companions are too powerful for Superman to handle. Enter Gold Kryptonite. So, if Gold Kryptonite existed in this universe then why didn't Lex Luthor (leader of the human resistance) use it against Zod and company to win the war and save humanity? His WEAK explanation was because he wanted to beat the Kryptonians "himself". But then Lex creates Matrix Supergirl (again, long story) so she could bring Superman to deal with Zod? How exactly does that make sense?

First, Superman uses Gold Kryptonite to strip Zod and his companions of their powers. Then, feeling like he was the only justice left on the planet, Superman decides to kill them with Green Kryptonite.

Superman essentially acts as judge, jury and executioner. Superman killed "defenseless" people. Regardless of their crimes, regardless of what Zod had done, what Superman did…killing defenseless people like that…was not justice. It was MURDER!

John Byrne did NOT have to write this story, he just wanted to. And it's so full of holes that if it was a boat, it would sink like a rock. Fact remains, Superman should NEVER kill and Byrne should have never written this lame story in a failed attempt to put Superman in a position where it would make sense, but in the end it did not make sense at all if one really thinks about it. All it it did was enrage comic book fans. I'm sorry, but this was WAAAAAY out of character of Superman. I mean, writing a story just so Superman is put in an impossible position so he has no choice but to kill?! John Byrne had NO reason to write this story. None. And I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. John Byrne still gets flak for that story today by Superman fans who still are upset over it today.

The third example is from Superman II where Superman strips Zod and his companions of their powers then casually tosses them into dark crevices in his Fortress. Once again, what fans fail to realize that there is a deleted scene that was filmed where Zod and his companions are seen hand-cuffed and arrested walking out of the Fortress and ALIVE. Superman II, WITH said deleted scene included, has showed on ABC a few times. Bryan Singer's Superman Returns is said to be a "sequel" to the Christopher Reeve films. If that's so, then guess what? Singer wanted Zod to make a cameo appearance in the movie but Jude Law was not available at the time. So we clearly see that Superman did not kill Zod and his companions in Superman II because they were always "meant to survive".

The third, and final, example is taken from Superman #75, 1992 by Dan Jurgens. In this story, Superman has to stop a monster called Doomsday. A mindless killing machine bent on destroying everything and killing everything he comes across. Superman feels there is only one way to stop him. Fact is, Mr. Jurgens doesn't even EXPLORE other options Superman should have taken. Yeah, Superman tries to fly Doomsday into space (in prior) issues, but other than that, nothing else is tried. No other options explored and Superman just wails into Doomsday with everything he has. Again. Out of character. Superman ALWAYS finds another way no matter the cost. That's who is, that's what he's about. Jurgens must have realized this was the wrong way to go, so he wrote Superman/Doomsday Hunter/Prey and attempted to explain the ONLY way to stop Doomsday was, indeed, to kill him. Of course, in this story it's established that each time Doomsday dies, he comes back stronger than before. But Jurgens obviously wasn't happy with the way he ended Hunter/Prey by having Superman leave Doomsday to die at the end of time. Why? Because Jurgens brought the character back in Superman: The Doomsday Wars. Doesn't erase what Dan Jurgens "almost" did. Superman killed. Again. Superman. Does. Not. Kill. Under. Any. Circumstances. He ALWAYS finds another way and Dan Jurgens failed to have Superman explore other options. The only time Jurgens did have Superman explore other options was in "Doomsday Wars" where Superman managed to trap Doomsday in four JLA teleport tubes where Doomsday was trapped and unable to escape.

I know some fans have cited more examples, but then this editorial would go on forever. So, back to Superman killing Zod in MOS. A person wrote this on his blog, "…if Superman twists the head off of his first supervillain, it no longer exists as an out of character moment…it becomes a character DEFINING moment. That is [a] response to the no-win-scenario." (See end of Article for source of the Blog)

I'm inclined to agree. Because this happened, now this trait will define Superman if any sequels are made of this Superman. Sadly, a sequel is already in the works. So, now we have a Superman who kills, a man who doesn't inspire me to be a better person, to reach ever greater heights. He's just a man like any of us. And that's not Superman, he's just a Man pretending to be a Superman.

The WB should have learned a lesson from Nolan's Batman films. The reason why Nolan's Batman trilogy was such a huge hit was because he stayed true to the original source material (for the most part). But instead of learning it's lesson, the WB decided to make a Superman film that was dark. Snyder even stated that his Superman is not a boyscout. Again, breaking away from the original source material that he IS a boyscout!

Unfortunately, MOS is on it's way to becoming a success. That means, we'll be seeing a lot more Super-Hero movies that are "dark" and slay their enemies. I'm sorry but the dark tone of the Nolan Batman films works but for the majority of the DC Universe it most certainly does NOT. And it never will.

In Superman vs. The Elite, Superman stands by his "no killing" rule but he is challenged by a super villain by the name of Manchester Black who believes in it. Superman's odds of winning are not good because the Elite have the power to kill Superman. While Clark talks to Lois, they exchange this:

Clark Kent: I heard a child say that he wanted to be in the Elite when he grows up, because it would be fun to kill bad guys. Fun to kill... People have to know that there's another way. They have to see that someone believes in humanity strongly enough to...

Lois Lane: ...to die for them?

I never read the comic, but I have watched the Animated movie that is based off the comic. It's available on Netflix to anyone who wishes to see it. At the end of the movie, Superman makes it "seem" like he kills Manchester Black's team. But it's revealed he never did, he had his robots from the Fortress of Solitude protect all of the citizens and create a false illusion that Superman went nuts and killed them. The Elite Superman knocked out were taken to the Fortress of Solitude to be stripped of their powers before being sent to maximum security prison. So, as you can see...in the end of the movie everyone sees that Superman's way is best for all mankind and killing is not. I love this story because this is Superman and this is how he should be written.

At Superman's core, he represents ideals that are above humanity. Morals that he can never afford to break (like no killing!) because he isn't a police officer or a soldier. Superman has a LOT of power and more than one way to find other options than killing his enemies. If Superman can't inspire us to be better, then why bother being Superman in the first place? He might as well cease to exist because that isn't Superman and it never will be.

If you've managed to read this far, then I would like to add one more brief thought. If you feel you need to leave a comment in the comments section then please feel free to do so. If you agree or disagree with my thoughts, that's fine. We all have our different opinions. Just don't expect me to argue about it with you because I won't. So, you have no fear of this being turned into an argument. That's not the purpose of this editorial. Even if you want to flame me and call me a complete idiot, go ahead. Thanks for reading this far and thanks for your understanding.

Credits: Much of my information was gathered here but put in my own words. http://iblogalot.com/2013/06/15/superman-does-not-kill-ever-not-under-any-circumstances-no-matter-what-context/

And here: http://dogfoodforchairs.blogspot.com/2013/06/superman-with-great-power-comes-great.html

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thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 7/10/2013, 2:53 PM
*Ahem* So.. what your saying is superman should never be written in a position where he has to kill? Here is how I see it. If there is a character on the verge of killing an ENTIRE PLANET. and he is unstoppable, there would be no where to put him if you caught him, the only way is if he dies. Why cant you kill him? just because it would affect the morality of the character. The Joker kills people every day in DC universe. but Batman cant kill him because he is so morally high? So THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of innocent lives are worth the ONE life of a scumbag like Joker or Zod....
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 7/10/2013, 3:08 PM
Superman does whatever the writers tell him to do wann know why? Because superman and all the other heroes at DC are fictional characters.

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thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 7/10/2013, 3:11 PM
also, just letting you know he didnt "slay" his enemy. He killed him because he had no other choice. Its not like he is now the punisher who just goes around killing people. Is it "slaying" when a man of the military kills an enemy who is about to blow up a building filled with people? NO. They were at WAR. and sometimes, there will casualties. Guess you forgot how many aliens the Avengers killed. They killed like, a lot. and batman killed Ra's Al Ghul, Talia Al Ghul and Two Face.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 7/10/2013, 3:13 PM
Gotcha characters should never have to deal with real decisions that everyones faces. K.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 7/10/2013, 3:13 PM
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TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 7/10/2013, 5:17 PM

Transforminator
Transforminator - 7/10/2013, 6:31 PM
Umm Superman couldnt talk to his papa anymore cause the house of el key used to acivate his hologram was gone as a result of activating Superman's ship to create the phantom zone black hole.
Facade
Facade - 7/10/2013, 6:40 PM


Good writers don't do this...villian is as villain does.
CapA
CapA - 7/11/2013, 2:48 AM
Great articlen Knight ! I agree 100%.
BMoore25
BMoore25 - 7/11/2013, 12:16 PM
Though I respect your thoughts on the Superman killing thing I must vehemently disagree with you. One thing in particular stuck in my craw. You said that He must hold on to that moral code no matter the cost. My rebuttal to that is then what makes him a superhero. At that point he is nothing more than a super powered enabler. I can't believe you would rather him not kill one SUPER VILLAIN than him prevent the loss of lives of innocent people all so he can sleep at night and say "at least I didn't kill him" while thousands more die, But hey at least he has his morals in check, damn the lives.
SamuraiHairMaster
SamuraiHairMaster - 7/11/2013, 1:48 PM
"And while Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster did have the early stories of Superman taking lives, that was a much, much different character back then. The character of Superman has evolved. . ."

The character didn't "evolve" because of a normal creative and artistic process. The character had to change because of the comics code, which was implemented in an era of censorship.

Your arguing that a virtue of the character that arose because of quasi-censorship should be held especially immutable and rigid. That seems to me to be a total bastardization and insult to the character.

Also, as far as the movie itself, Zod was becoming stronger every moment and was trying to kill as many innocents as possible; Soon Kal-el might not have been able to defeat Zod at all. I think attempting to do anything you discuss would have been an immoral and selfish choice for the Kal-el. It was a hard decision and hurt the character immensely.

This was dramatic turn of events that provided a cohesive plot resolution. Perhaps you would rather have Kal-el throw flying S's at people. However, I much prefer this more serious, more freely artistic (as opposed to a buffon of the censors) and more moral version.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 7/11/2013, 11:30 PM
Everyone else has made good points in these comments, so I won't repeat them. I will point out a couple of things. You suggest that Superman should spin himself and Zod into the ground (like the first Donner film, I assume.) Ummm.....you do realize since Zod was using his heat vision, that would just cause the lasers to spin and possibly hit even more people, right? And you go to this tired argument about this deleted scene from Superman II. All of you really need to get past that nonsense. A deleted scene DOES NOT count. Especially one that is just shown on TV later (and begs the question, how did the Arctic police get those 3 out of what seemed to be extremely deep pits, and how did they survive the fall?)

More importantly though, it seems to me that you've just come up with your own version of Superman, and want to whine & moan when those who actually write his stories don't conform with your ideas. Well, too bad. No one appointed you as arbiter of who "gets" Superman and who doesn't. Yrs, they did have reasons to write those stories-because they wanted to write them. If you don't like it, don't buy them or read them, but you have no right to tell them not to write their version of Superman. The market will decide if it works or not. (Unless you have a few billion lying around to buy the rights to Superman, then you can enforce your vision all you want.)

If you want to make a case that Superman should never kill humans, that's fine. But the idea that he should never, ever, kill super-powered bad guys is just stupid. Oh, and the next time you want to express your "opinion", the word "fact" should not be used.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/12/2013, 3:37 AM
What people dont seem to understand is that killing Zod is more than likely going to be the main factor that keeps Superman from ever killing again.

For the rest of the franchise, as well as any JLA films, this will be his "Peter Parker" moment. Like when Uncle Ben died and taught Spidey the true meaning of power and responsibility. Taking Zod's life will be the one event that happened that will make Superman realize that he should never do it again.

He was obviously upset when he killed Zod, so next time he finds himself in that position, he will more than likely find some other way to deal with it.

I imagine that killing Zod will be mentioned in the sequel and he will explain how it made him feel and why he will never take another life.

If I'm wrong, THEN I will blame Snyder and agree with all the hate.
sups92
sups92 - 7/12/2013, 8:04 AM
Superman killed a powerless Zod in Superman 2 remember, get over it!! It was necessary that he killed him.
Joker11
Joker11 - 7/12/2013, 1:32 PM
7 billion people or 1 crazy alien... Do the math it's obvious he had to do it.
jp688
jp688 - 7/12/2013, 4:16 PM
CBMN seems way too eager to let any hack half-assed hack who wants to slag MOS get a big headline. Is it because we always respond? Could be, but it's annoying, just the same.
kenjim152
kenjim152 - 7/13/2013, 6:50 AM
Superman has killed many times in comic books, all real fans know supes killed zod in the comics, people who say Superman should never kill have never read anything about Superman
comiccow6
comiccow6 - 7/13/2013, 11:39 AM
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 7/13/2013, 5:57 PM
I'm with you! Superman killing is changing an essential part of his character. Also, once he kills Zod, you're reminded how much the rest of the movie was lacking. The majority of the Krypton minutes were a waste.
superotherside
superotherside - 7/13/2013, 8:47 PM
The problem with this idea of killing the bad person is wrong is very illogical. Even for Superman.

In Man of Steel Clark is fighting for his life. Unlike the comic or some of the movies he doesn't have magic to summon when he needs it. Several writers have had a tradition of making Clark invulnerable. They make his villains like he could stop them but he doesn't. So which sounds more like a hero? The one who decides to stop the killing? Or the one that lets it continue?

Now we go on to something else. This is a common complain that you made.

With Superman's power set, finding another way should be easy for him compared to someone who isn't nearly as powerful and has limited options. If it's ok for Superman to kill Zod then why stop with him? Why not kill Luthor as well so he won't get away with crimes? I mean, think about it. Lex loves committing crimes then rubbing it in Superman's face, "You know I did this, but you can't prove anything." Thus, the cycle of the never-ending battle continues. A Superman who kills would just kill Luthor and be done with it. But why stop there? How about kill Brainiac or Mongul before they have a chance to invade Earth and potentially save millions of lives before they can be lost? How about killing corrupt politicians so we have a "good" Government run by honest men? The prisons are overflowing. Why not stop with his most powerful rogues? Superman can just take the prison guards out before razing every prison to the ground with the prisoners still inside. So what if a few innocent, and wrongfully imprisoned men, lose their lives? It's all for the common good right?

That isn't what would happen and you know it. Clark is going to battle several villains hopefully in future films. But I don't want it to feel he could have beaten those villains at any time. Including Lex. I don't want Clark to just be able to take them out and throw them into prison as simple as that... what internal struggle does the hero have then? It's not like they are too much for him to handle? It's not like having innocents murdered bothers him because he lets the VERY PERSON KILLING THEM LIVE! So what is it? There isn't none. He becomes exactly how they want him to be. He will let them alone, sure he'll slap their hand from time to time and say you shouldn't do that Junior but they will just keep doing it and he won't lift a finger to stop them.

Not a heroic figure at all in my opinion.

You say that he should be above us. Making the choices we can't. So letting a mass murdering, unstoppable (to us), being live to comment billions of homicides is above us? No, it's below us. This way Superman stands for letting evil continue.

Superman is a symbol of hope in the film. We couldn't have saved the kids on the bus. We couldn't have saved the construction workers. We couldn't have saved Lois. We could have never stopped Zod. We could have saved our planet. But Superman did. With that he had to make choices which were very hard. He didn't want people to know he was there, because maybe he wasn't ready to be the symbol we need. But he was there just the same. He knew that no matter what Zod would never stop. Even if he locked him up some how. Nothing Clark could do could save Zod from himself. Realizing this Clark had to make the ultimate choice. He had to save others from the monster Zod had become.

People complain that Johnathan didn't die of a heart attack because Superman couldn't have done anything to save him. I understand that, but they did the same thing with Zod in a way. Zod wasn't coming back from the dark path he chose. So Clark couldn't save him, thus he saved us instead. After all we had done to him, he still had faith in us. He chose to believe in us.

That makes him a hero. Nuff said.
JonasWepeel
JonasWepeel - 7/20/2013, 6:38 AM
^^^^this

"Nothing Clark could do could save Zod from himself". Perfectly put. I thought that that was abundantly clear in the film.

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