Superman: The Lead & The Film Concepts

Superman:  The Lead & The Film Concepts

No Welling, No Routh, and No Origin?

Editorial Opinion
By marvelguy - Oct 16, 2010 04:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Man of Steel
Source: Marvelguy on ComicBookMovie.com

The Superman film debate seems to rage ever redundantly. Let’s look at the main issues.

Storyline:
Look at the most successful comic based movies: “Spider-Man 2” and “The Dark Knight.” Neither movie followed a specific story arc. Of course, they took elements from ‘this’ story or ‘that’ story. That is the source of their success. The animated straight to DVD films are the best media/genre to follow a specific series or arc. The movies need the flexibility to be their own universe. Doc Ock wasn’t seeking fusion. The Joker never painted his face to be the Joker. Harry lived, but his father didn’t. Bruce immediately shares his secret with Lucius. It’s called rather appropriately: artistic license.


It is difficult to dispute that what Raimi or Nolan changed didn’t enhance both ‘worlds.’ Organic web-shooters, Lucius building Bruce’s armory, Doc Ock’s fixation on Spider-Man and his wife’s death, and the Joker not wanting to kill Batman to maintain his fun are all sensible and logical—in as much as logic applies to comic books and movies.
It should be apparent that Snyder or whoever finally directs the new Superman movie will be true to the basic concept and utilize important elements. Some back story will be used since some people do exist that do not know the whole Krypton/Smallville story. The director will also have his hands full if Warner doesn’t get the movie going according to the rights lawsuit. As a side note, DC/Warner is rushing to do it so they don’t have to pay the heirs of Siegel and Shuster. Nothing has been said they can never use the elements and storylines that were won by the heirs.
After “Returns,” it seems certain that they will grasp the core elements more tightly. Hopefully they will remember what color the costume is. Additionally, there shouldn’t be yet another back-spinning the Earth.

The Lead:
Every director has his/her own vision. Part of that vision is picking the lead. Here’s why Welling and Routh won’t be offered the role.


Welling:
The actor that played Superboy in the series tried out for “Smallville.” Why didn’t they pick him? It’s obvious: new and fresh without baggage. Welling has now played pre-Superman Clark for ten seasons. The association between him and the series is nearly unbreakable. Note that they didn’t employ Dean Cain for seven or so years and Teri Hatcher until nearly the end.
Now Welling wanting to play Superman would probably be a direct reflection of story control and money. Mostly the money. He has stated that he’s only interested in being Clark Kent. There is the reality of a three picture deal. If they make these films back to back, they will still consume six years. Welling is already in his middle thirties. Should they get the first movie in the can, he will be thirty-five. He would presumably finish at forty-one. Being freed from ‘serial’ life, it would be highly improbable he wouldn’t want to do at least one or two other films in the ensuing six years. Does anyone remember Christopher Reeve in his last turn as Superman? With all due respect even at thirty-four, he was visibly older. The viewing audience expects Superman (remember he is an alien) to age about as fast as Data from ‘Next Gen.’

Routh:
Singer picked him to play Christopher Reeve’s Superman. It is readily apparent that “Returns” was ‘Superman 2.5.’ Routh was unfairly given the role to play someone playing a role. He was handcuffed by Singer from the get-go. Accepting that, it was still no coincidence that Routh was twenty-five years old. See the logic? Two more pictures and he would have crested at thirty-one.

Obviously “Returns” brought in money, yet no sequel was put into motion. It seemed that the core audience wasn’t happy with most of the project. It also seemed that the movie didn’t provide a natural course for a sequel. Internet sources stated that the movie cost $270 million. That may not include the tens of millions they spent in the previous decade of development. Warner expected “Batman Begins” money proportionate to the cost. It didn’t happen. Would you as Warner re-sign Routh after he and Singer didn’t line your pockets? Sure it’s hard to blame just two people, but that’s just the surface. The rest of the crew would surely not be re-signed either.

In conclusion, all of the conversations of why it should be one of those two is inarguable. It is in the hands of the director and it is the director’s vision that will prevail. Included in said vision will be his/her culling of what s/he believes to be essential to the character and necessary to the story. Now, audience, be worried if Michael Caine plays Perry White or Tara Reid is cast as Lois. That’s something to discombobulate you!
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P862010
P862010 - 10/16/2010, 4:26 PM
Armie Hammer hands down

24 = Early Years
Great actor = The social network
6'5 = perfect height
comic2004
comic2004 - 10/16/2010, 4:27 PM
Strange...
StuckInPanels
StuckInPanels - 10/16/2010, 4:28 PM
thats perfect...finally a film where we have no origin tale...people know about Superman's origins...as for Routh and Welling not being up for the parts is a good thing..better have someone else take over
Nerdman3000
Nerdman3000 - 10/16/2010, 4:28 PM
Tara Reid as Lois Lane, now that would be a crisis. But serouisly now, you make very good points. Well Written.
BruceWayneNewton
BruceWayneNewton - 10/16/2010, 4:35 PM
maybe
Breasticles7
Breasticles7 - 10/16/2010, 4:39 PM
Obviously The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2 didn't have origins...they're sequels.
RoscoeFolgers
RoscoeFolgers - 10/16/2010, 4:43 PM
Did you seriously put Michael Caine and Tara Reid in the same sentence...?
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 10/16/2010, 4:45 PM
The 200th episode proved that Welling would make an awesome Clark Kent...if not in a movie, then at least in a proper Superman TV show. Plus he looks nowhere near as old as he actually is! Anyway, I digress - great editorial! :)
TheStranger
TheStranger - 10/16/2010, 4:47 PM
Very nice, was a good read. I agree.
supersalt32
supersalt32 - 10/16/2010, 4:48 PM
I think either kid would be amazing with the part... however I think that they will be casted.

Im sure I'll be happy with whoever they end up casting!

Hella.
Dmon
Dmon - 10/16/2010, 4:55 PM
I totally disagree with the origin thing I would like to see a modern take on Krypton in a few scenes also I think its important to have the origin elements for WB/DC rights reasons they may not be able to use them again. This movie is supposed to be a reboot and they need to establish that with an origin story nothing would do that better. A 10 to 15 min origin would not hurt a 2 to 2 1/2 hour movie.

Plus the scenes on krypton would set up a Brainiac story for this movie or one in the future. For the reboot I would like it to be a Luther and Metalo story though. Then Brainiac for the sequel .
rodsvilaca
rodsvilaca - 10/16/2010, 5:00 PM
GOOD artistic license = NO underwear.

BAD artistic license = underwear over spandex.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 10/16/2010, 5:10 PM
Why did the Author fail to mention Iron Man? Cetainly one of the most successful movies. Didn't follow a specific arc.
healingmachine
healingmachine - 10/16/2010, 5:20 PM
I'd love to see a new version of Superman. I think it needs freshening up. The Brandon Routh version was confusing with the Daily Planets' 50's backdrop.

http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=157272290972190

That's a Facebook petition to get Matt Cohen the part. He's smart, talented and great for the role. Please take a look :)

On a side note, Rachel McAdams might make a good Lois? :)
JR
JR - 10/16/2010, 5:22 PM
Good analysis the only problem is that some people will never understand it, is logical that Routh and Welling will not be in the mix, because is another story! and is already confirmed by the Director so please people no more Welling or Routh......
vermillion
vermillion - 10/16/2010, 5:26 PM
JoshW- I agree. Welling really proved he can pull it off. I'm still supporting him for the role until whoever gets the part.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 10/16/2010, 5:43 PM
I think it would be a nice touch for Welling to play Jor-El or some sort of cameo. See IMDB trivia for the interesting little cameos from the first Superman film.

The other thing is if you're spending $200M on a film and people have spent ten years watching Clark on TV: you want a lot of Superman.
Didn't mean to suggest they wouldn't cover his origin, just that it's not crucial to rehash it.

Josh W, Thanks and let's call a truce!
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 10/16/2010, 5:47 PM
Yawn. I think you're putting way too much stock in the age factor with Welling. I don't think the studios are looking that deep into it. They want an actor that is identifiable for the role. Make up, CGI and any number of effects can either increase or decrease an actors age. IF that was a serious consideration, which I don't think it is. Welling's the popular choice. That fact will translate in dollars. Choosing an actor age appropriate (within reason) is less a factor than you think. Hamm looks unrealistically too old for a 3 picture deal. Welling does not. Hammer may be age appropriate for a 3 picture deal, but is wrong for the part on physical levels that the studio could easily avoid. Bottom line: Welling's age is a non-issue. Welling's acting cred, also a non-issue. Smallville RETCON is non-issue when the majority of people see him as the [frick]ing Man Of Steel, already.

On a side note: main worthy?! Really?! You would happen to be an editor, would you?
smallvillefanricky
smallvillefanricky - 10/16/2010, 6:03 PM
tom welling for superman
200th..was amazing
i actually could imagine it being a superman movie
tom doesnt look his age no way!
he would be fine superman movies!
Mk616
Mk616 - 10/16/2010, 6:06 PM
I Like Routh! It might not happen but I would love for him to play an older Superman.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 10/16/2010, 6:10 PM
I'D VOTE FOR TOM..SERIOUSLY I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE UPS AND DOWNS, HOMECOMING SHOWED ME HIM AS A FULLY REALIZED CLARK KENT...
AshleyWilliams
AshleyWilliams - 10/16/2010, 6:11 PM
For the first time ever,I completely agree with Superguy.
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 10/16/2010, 6:26 PM
From the updated news, we can plan on a younger Man of Steel.

I have a new, unknown name out there and he is growing on me from discussions on a Superman casting forum that I frequent. Can't find his height, but he appears to be fairly long in arms, so that would lead me to believe he has the height. Strong theater background and some television and movie experience.


Spencer Conway







marvelguy
marvelguy - 10/16/2010, 6:40 PM
YourMomNaked,

I am an editor. I assure I didn't place it on the main. I even went back in to the editing to double check that.
I think you missed my point on Welling. He's been locked in to a show for nearly ten years. He likes to direct. He's going to want to do different things before and during a hypothetical Superman role. If you pick
Welling for three, it could take ten years to get all three done. Per CGI his aging looks, they're going to want to spend their special F/X money on F/X.
If they had made 'X-Men: First Class' before "Wolverine," I'm pretty certain we would not have scene a de-aged Stewart.
Just so it's said, I still appreciate your input.
AlexDeLarge87
AlexDeLarge87 - 10/16/2010, 7:00 PM
Armie Hammer as Superman
Odette Yustman, Sophia Bush or Olivia Wilde as Lois Lane
Jason Isaacs, Paul Bettany or Jude Law as Lex Luthor
Michael Fassbender, Paul Bettany or Terence Stamp (With motion capture) as Brainiac
Tom Hardy as John Corben (Just a mercenary in the first movie. Working for Luthor and Intergang.)
Aaron Johnson as Jimmy Olsen
Tom Berenger or Richard Jenkins as Perry White
Jeff Bridges as Jon kent
Patricia Clarkson as Martha Kent
William Hurt as Dr. Emil Hamilton
Mads Mikkelsen as Bruno Mannheim
Jon Hamm as Jor-El (In flashbacks)
Carla Gugino as Lara Vor-Van (In flashbacks)
Pruitt Taylor Vince as Rudy Jones

Cameos:
Rufus Sewell as Gen. Zod
Kevin Durand as Jax-Ur
Gina Carano as Faora
Matthew Willig as Quex-Ul
jazzman
jazzman - 10/16/2010, 7:10 PM
@Ajax

alot of people love Donner Superman. even Bryan Singer admirer Donner Superman thats why he end up doing Superman Returns that look like a tribute movie to Donner. also do you remember Chris Nolan even said he like Michael Bay films.

According to an interview with Inception cinematographer Wally Pfister.

“…there are the movies out there that he loves and I hate. I’m not a big Michael Bay fan. Chris loves Michael Bay’s movies. And so I’m always like come on, dude! But he sees something in it, and I don’t see it.”

Hellmont
Hellmont - 10/16/2010, 7:22 PM
@ marvelguy great article. I like how u used logic and facts instead of emotional opinion and bullshit.


I want another unknown for Superman. In my opinion Spencer Conway has the jaw of Justice but not the bulk in Muscle this guy would have to add another 30-40lbs of muscle to be believable.

This fan made trailer is old as hell

but ppl should always remember what a Live Action Superman should look like. Im not saying this guy should be in the running for big blue but it would be great if they could find an actor who is bulked up enough in muscle and who can actually act.


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Protonite
Protonite - 10/16/2010, 7:43 PM
@ jazzman - My sentiments exactly.
LP4
LP4 - 10/16/2010, 8:00 PM
I like Welling. I don't like Routh.

I am just glad no Routh in the film.
BatmanDTW
BatmanDTW - 10/16/2010, 8:34 PM
routh was a really good superman actually.
he had the right build, the right look, and especially the PERFECT superman voice.
i was convinced. he got shafted with that shitty story. he deserves another chance.
Krbartl78
Krbartl78 - 10/16/2010, 8:43 PM
@ marvelguy I liked your article because it was fact driven but i do believe some of your facts were incorrect

Like how Tom welling just wants to plsy Clark Kent cause in a comic con interview this year someone asked him if he would ever wanna do a Superman movie and i believe his words were " If I see a script and it has a good story" and honestly the way season 10 of Smallville is gonna end it makes alot of sense for TOm Welling to play Superman cause they wouldnt need an origin story and i mean come on! the show is ending with him becoming Superman!!
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