SUPERMAN & LOIS Finally Reveals How It Connects To The Arrowverse; Teases Season 3 - SPOILERS

SUPERMAN & LOIS Finally Reveals How It Connects To The Arrowverse; Teases Season 3 - SPOILERS

After two seasons, Superman & Lois has finally revealed how it connects to the larger Arrowverse... and we also have an intriguing tease for season three that sets up the return of a fan favorite.

By RohanPatel - Jun 28, 2022 09:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman & Lois

While fans have debated how Superman & Lois ties into the larger Arrowverse since the show's inception, it looks like we finally have an answer, and, as it turns out, it doesn't.

Well, not in the traditional sense, at least. 

Thanks to a timely speech from General Sam Lane (Dylan Walsh), we learned that Superman & Lois doesn't take place on Earth-Prime with sister shows Supergirl, The Flash, and the rest of the Arrowverse, but actually takes place on its own Earth, where Clark Kent is the planet's only known protector.

Speaking to his grandsons Jonathan (Jordan Elsass) and Jordan (Alex Garfin), Lane told them, “I’ve been working for the DOD for a long time. I’ve seen things you would not believe — glimpses of other worlds, and the leagues of superheroes they have on them. And even though we only have your father on this planet, thank God that we do, because he’s the finest of any Earth.

In an interview with TV Line, showrunner Todd Helbing confirmed the twist, and it sounds like it was always the plan to keep this series separated from the rest. “From Day 1, there were questions of how we were connected to the Arrowverse. If you go back to the first script that got sent to Warner Brothers and DC, it had a lot of references to other heroes like The Flash. There were moments when we were shooting, and I think I’ve said this before, but there was a photo of Kara on Lois’ desk at the Daily Planet. All of that stuff got slowly pulled out, and the more we did that, the more it became a can of worms to even mention it.

He continues, “DC and I had a conversation during Season 1, and the decision [to keep Superman & Lois separate] was made then, but I couldn’t make it public until the end of this season. So when I got all these questions [in previous interviews], I knew what we were doing, but I could never talk about it. It got a little frustrating on my end, but I totally understand DC’s position. So this put that to rest. I’ve said from the beginning that we want to put our own stamp on the Superman property. This wasn’t meant to alienate us from the Arrowverse, but because a lot of the other shows are sadly no longer going to be on the air, it felt like the right thing to do.

That would explain why we haven't heard anything about Kara Danvers and seemingly suggests the Girl of Steel hasn't yet arrived on Earth in this universe. Whether we could see Melissa Benoist reprise the role at some point in the future, however, remains to be seen.

On a related note, with the show taking place on a different Earth in the vast multiverse, it's also now confirmed that the Diggle (David Ramsey) we've seen in Metropolis, including in tonight's finale, is a different Diggle than the one who used to run with Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell).

This is also a new Diggle. David Ramsey had grown a beard and grew his hair out. He called me and said, ‘I’ve been growing my hair, I look different. Do you want me to shave and get a haircut?’ So not to add more confusion to it, but he’s a different Diggle.” 

As for what comes next, it sounds like Diggle may have a bigger role to play next season as he teams up with John Henry Irons (Wolé Parks) to investigate Bruno Manheim and Intergang, which should be plenty interesting. 

There will also be plenty of exciting changes coming for the Kent family next season as they adjust to multiple people - including Chrissy - now knowing Clark's secret, a new Fortress of Solitude, and a free Tal-Rho (Adam Rayner), who may be seeking some redemption. 

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Will44482
Will44482 - 6/28/2022, 9:33 PM
Good I think it works better that way. The current state of the arrowverse is pretty abysmal
solskulldeath
solskulldeath - 6/28/2022, 9:35 PM
Good. The quality of the stories is totally different than most of the arrow verse.
LlamaLord
LlamaLord - 6/28/2022, 10:30 PM
@solskulldeath - Have you seen S2 yet?
solskulldeath
solskulldeath - 6/30/2022, 11:03 AM
@LlamaLord - oh yeah, the season 2 is excellent. I love the finale.
dracula
dracula - 6/28/2022, 9:37 PM
Perfect. Exactly how i wanted it

Only issue is that Diggle’s appearance last season did hint at previous events that we saw in the other shows

Only show i want this crossing over with is possibly Star Girl

Have no faith in Justice U
The flash has gotten to the point where its been bad longer than it was good

Let the old universe die and let Superman shine alone
dracula
dracula - 6/28/2022, 9:39 PM
Bruno Manheim, so intergang will be back, will they go the animated series route of connecting then to apocalypse

After Smallville season 10 ive been saying keep darkseid off tv, it cant be done but if any show can pull him off its this show
newhire13
newhire13 - 6/28/2022, 9:48 PM
Didn’t Diggle mention Oliver during his last appearance? If yes then there was at least a Green Arrow running around.

Also, I wonder what their Lex would be like
micvalpro
micvalpro - 6/28/2022, 9:48 PM
Hope they upgrade that freakin suit. Thats the one complaint I have about this show.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 6/28/2022, 10:04 PM
It’s not a deal breaker, the shows is better quality, than many of the arrowverse shows. That said, it’s a bit of a cop out bc they could have established this sooner. It also leaves some plot holes and raises some questions.

But I guess the easy answer is there’s a similar looking Clark on Oliver and Barry’s earth, and a Diggle.. and yeah, got love when things are truly planned out ahead of time and then they drop the “it was always the plan from day one” line.

Anyway, upgrade Iron’s Steel suit, particularly his helmet and all will be forgiven
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 6/28/2022, 10:09 PM
Not since Marc Guggenheim killed Laurel and treated her as pairing fooder for Felicity and Olicity have I ever thought of a showrunner as an idiot.

"But because a lot of the other shows are sadly no longer going to be on the air, it felt like the right thing to do" is such a ilogical decision because they didn't know the CW was going to be sold nor that other shows would be canceled like it was this year. It doesn’t make sense. That just feels disrespectful to the decade-long universe that was built up.

I could not be more disappointed in the decision to split the show from Earth-Prime. It basically spits in the face of the Arrowverse’s history and it's fans. And to deny that Clark/Kara relationship is just awful considering they even got the chance to adapt Clark thanks to Supergirl and Lois came later in Elseworlds, which then greenlit their own show before Crisis.

Perhaps I wouldn’t be as frustrated if this weren’t such an obvious retcon.

They were planning a crossover with Batwoman before COVID cancelled it and Diggle’s appearance back in Seasoon 1 made it clear this show was OBVIOUSLY meant to be on Earth-Prime.

Diggle mentions Oliver. He mentions fighting alongside Clark. He straight up mentions the glowing box from the Arrow finale that was also the reason he had episodes last year in Batwoman, Flash, Supergirl and this one as well.

Why even include this then in the Earth-Prime comic tie in crossover to begin with?

Just a terrible and kind of insulting decision from the writers.

I will still watch it, but what a moronic decision to be honest.
cocaegelo
cocaegelo - 6/28/2022, 11:49 PM
@NinnesMBC - agreed!
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 6/29/2022, 1:24 AM
@cocaegelo - Thanks for the back up!
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 6/28/2022, 10:19 PM
Mixed on it since it's an obvious retcon but I'm perfectly fine with it being separate and considering the Arrowverse is pretty much dead anyway it ultimately doesn't matter.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 6/28/2022, 10:25 PM
Even the television shows are a disaster. I truly don't understand WB's approach to their DC properties. There are hundreds of talented writers, producers, and directors who would love to get their hands and do justice on these properties and WB seems to hire people who are insecure about their masculinity and have to eliminate what made many of these characters wholesome in the first place. I don't understand why is it so hard to hire a team dedicated to creating a cohesive shared universe with a Kevin Feige type overseer.
dracula
dracula - 6/28/2022, 10:35 PM
@SonOfAGif - what does any of that have to do with this show?

The show is as Superman as Christopher Reeves
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 6/28/2022, 11:58 PM
@dracula - Did you read the issues surrounding the shared aspects of the TV shows? He was introduced in Supergirl and then slowly retconned out and the writers had to stop making it connected because of confusion.
dracula
dracula - 6/29/2022, 12:24 AM
@SonOfAGif - yeah but the portrayal of superman in supergirl was always a source of mixed responses, Hoechlin was always seen as great but the way the writters handled him was very mixed to a lot of people
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 6/28/2022, 10:37 PM
Don't mind that at all. I'd rather this show be its own thing. Not like they can't bring in other world characters down the road anyway.
newhire13
newhire13 - 6/28/2022, 10:47 PM
Kinda want the Earth Prime Superman & Lois to crossover with them now lol
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 6/28/2022, 11:18 PM
@newhire13 - They're probably raising toddler versions of Jon and Jordan in Earth Prime and taking them to kindergarden while they continue to do their own jobs: reporting and then Clark suiting up.
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