Darren Cross And Hope Van Dyne Are Partners In ANT-MAN?

@MonsterSquad35

Do you expect Captain America to be dead or something?

@Brocksamson33..

hahahaha damn I forgot Cap...
and maybe falcon, Winter Soldier, War Machine....

Shit is crazy

I'm keenly interested in this movie.

Seems like it might be something different.

Yet, I agree with Scott, "Is it too late to change the name?"

Nice, the fact that their adding the psychotic angle just got me even more excited....

Can't wait for this

Yeah, I saw this earlier today on EW, it makes me wonder if Hope isn't a good person at the start of the movie. Is she Pym Security working with Darren Cross? Or is she more?

Wasn't there a rumor that she was a SHIELD agent -with SHIELD out of comission -she would need a new job. And of course, Scott somehow changes her mindset -maybe through his redemption arc with his daughter, Cassie. If she is a security person at Pym Industries -it would be essential to get her on board for any heist of the Yellowjacket suit.

and like Richard is Dick

My guess to why they are working together and why Pym is using a "backup lab":

The movie starts with the flashbacks of a young Hank Pym discovering Pym particles and starting to do experiments. At the same time, he meets Janet VAn Dyne who is a bit more adventurous and tells hank that they should use these particles to fight crime.

Cue a montage of the duo crime fighting as Ant Man and Wasp, they go through a few adventures, help with the creation of Shield from SSR and so fourth. Hank and Janet fall in love, have a child (Hope) and then tragedy strikes where Janet is killed in one of their missions.

Hank, always being the pacifist he was, blames himself for this and denounces any ant man work for the future. Hope, blames his father for the death of her mother and a strained relationship comes from this. Hank becomes more and more involved into his work and soon finds Darren Cross, a child prodigy, whom he can connect with over his own daughter...

Darren decides to attempt a coup when he sees that Hank is vulnerable and starts to slowly take over the company. He even uses Hope's hate for her father to turn her against him, and she aids him in taking over Pym Tech. Pym is now obligated to move away from Pym Tech and that's when the ant man suit is found by Darren and he starts to hypothesize that he can create his own pym particles, create the Yellowjacket persona as a military weapon (kinda going Norman Osborne / Spidey 1 Route here...)

Pym doesn't like what's going on and wants the and man suit back so he can fight against cross, thus enters young Scott Lang, a brilliant mechanical / electrical engineer who has been in prison. He got there for trying to either steal something from Pym Tech (some kinda technology to save his daugters life) or something else entirely (money). This catches Hank's eye and he sees the same issues that could happen between Scott and Cassie that happened in him and Janet.

Thus the adventures of Ant Man II start, where Scott manages to steal the suit and fight the now psychotic Darren Cross...

Thoughts?

And by Janet, I mean Hope... I need more caffeine...

How dare they let the spoilers out like that

Geez man trying to avoid this shit is getting really hard

This script has been touched by more people than Black Widow

@PymParticle

How would you handle the story, then?

I love that we are getting an Ant-man film so I have every reason to comment on this thread.

@TheRealRemyLebeau I don't see why it seems impossible to you that we could have seen all alter ego's of Hank Pym, as that is exactly where sequels are for. -- Not for made-up stories with all filler and no cohesion by directors on acid (Shane Black).

There is such an immense amount of fantastic material here, and they have done away with it all to the point where they will have to be once again fishing to string together enough material to even have a sequel.

We could have had origin of Hank and Janet, The Ant-man, inventions (i.e The Big House, Pym Particles, Pym Disks), -- Ultron origin, and subsequently the creation of The Vision.

Continuing on, Pym is understandably devastated by the aftermath of Ultron turning on his creator, then goes into seclusion and pops back up as Yellowjacket, possibly causing trouble for The Avengers. - Later on passes the Ant-Man mantle to Scott Lang and we can have another 1-2 movies with that.

Here you go, enough material for 3 movies with Hank Pym and setting up Scott Lang's story in the third film allowing us to see two more entirely different Ant-man movies.

All of the above has been done away with and attributed to other characters to serve the whims of Edgar Wright wanting to make his version of Ant-man.

And we are to assume that Pym has been on a lot of adventures even though the very nature of his character leading to his subsequent adventures have been stripped from him.