A Translation of Norton's Agent's Statement.

A Translation of Norton's Agent's Statement.

Because agents NEVER lie...

Editorial Opinion
By Curmudgeon - Jul 11, 2010 10:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

I know a lot of you are on Norton's side for this, but anyone whose looking at things just the right way can see that the truth of the situation can clearly be read between the lines of the agent's statement. Let's examine them, shall we?

This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light.

Translation: I'm the guy's agent. I have to defend him whether he deserves it or not.

Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in The Avengers. He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with the rest of the cast at ComiCon and make it the event of the convention. When I said that Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very excited and we agreed that Edward should meet with Joss Whedon to discuss the project.

Edward and Joss had a very good meeting (confirmed by Feige to me) at which Edward said he was enthusiastic at the prospect of being a part of the ensemble cast. Marvel subsequently made him a financial offer to be in the film and both sides started negotiating in good faith.

Translation: Talks with my client began as far back as TWO MONTHS ago, and over those two months no progress was made in terms of a deal despite Marvel's obvious desire to hire my client... a desire we used to fortify my client's asking price and demands, and draw the negotiations out for several weeks.

This past Wednesday, after several weeks of civil, uncontentious discussions, but before we had come to terms on a deal, a representative from Marvel called to say they had decided to go in another direction with the part. This seemed to us to be a financial decision but, whatever the case, it is completely their prerogative, and we accepted their decision with no hard feelings.

Out assumption that it was a financial decision is our admission that we were asking for too much and that by "accepting their decision", we were attempting to bluff a "walk-away" to get them to give us what we wanted... a gambit which we don't want to admit kicking ourselves for failing.

We know a lot of fans have voiced their public disappointment with this result, but this is no excuse for Feige’s mean spirited, accusatory comments. Counter to what Kevin implies here, Edward was looking forward to the opportunity to work with Joss and the other actors in the Avengers cast, many of whom are personal friends of his. Feige’s statement is unprofessional, disingenuous and clearly defamatory. Mr. Norton talent, tireless work ethic and professional integrity deserve more respect, and so do Marvel’s fans.

Pander to the fans, *check*, and try to look like the victim, *check*.

Also? My weasely ass is hoping that we can get the lawyers in on this and use these statements as grounds to sue them for libel.


Be honest. That makes a hell of a lot of sense, doesn't it?

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Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 4:14 AM
WoW really appears your reading to much into it. Im sure both parties are to blame but this is purely just your opinion. Regardless Marvel holds more blame on this than Norton. Money isnt an issue with Marvel anymore. They are cheap plain and simple and Kevin Feige is holding a grudge.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 4:28 AM
Dude is an amazing talented actor. I doubt its about money. Norton probably just wants some control over his own character. Marvel doesnt want to deal with him. They can pay everyone else a whole bunch?? And have them reprise their roles but we cant add one more when we already had him cast as the Hulk. Its all bullshit. Marvel lowballs all thier actors. Regardless of time on screen. Norton is worth the money at least pay him the same as SLJ and RDJ for what their are making on these films.
RoscoeFolgers
RoscoeFolgers - 7/12/2010, 4:56 AM
Oh! Yep! Posting-man hit nail on head! Derp! Him know how agent secret speak! Derp! Marvel never do no wrong so must be agent! So true no need no backup! Derp!
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 5:20 AM
@ T ya i liked him he was the best Bruce Banner. This is Marvels fault for attempting continuity in the MCU. Regardless its not about money. I really doubt its about money. Also your like 1 or two people on this site that dont like norton. So Fan mass agrees :P Im seriously pissed off because Marvel set us up for this and now they are backing out and being complete douche bags about it.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/12/2010, 5:26 AM
@ Venom and Tea

I have to agree with Tea. Look what happened with whats-his-name that played Rhodey in IM1. He wanted too much money, so they got a different actor.

and Venom, to make a comment like "Marvel low-balls all their actors" is a little presumptious. Do you know what Marvel is paying ANY of the actors?? because I sure don't remember any numbers being reported...ever.
So its not fair to just assume that Marvel is cheap and not paying their actors what they deserve.

Also, going by Norton's past with Marvel, it isn't surprising that this turned out this way. If you all remember, Norton got mad at Marvel because they wouldn't give him the creative control he wanted, so all reports indicate that he threw a fit.

I don't know who is to blame, probably both, but with both of their track records, it just seems like Norton comes off as a high-horse riding type actor.

Venom: "Norton probably just wants some control over his own character. Marvel doesnt want to deal with him."

Those are both assumptions you're making. and first of all, Hulk isn't NORTON'S character, its MARVEL'S, so Norton SHOULDN'T have creative control over him. And to say Marvel doesn't want to deal with him is pretty strange, considering they WERE trying to work out a deal.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 5:35 AM
They didnt try very hard.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 5:40 AM
Also they were taking risks with RDJ. They didnt pay him that much. He signed a multi contract deal and they probably got him cheap given his past history. They have established history as to going cheap and made it painfully obvious. Chris Evans for Cap?... WHO?!?! Hemsworth for Thor!?! Who?!? These actors are not making a whole lot. Just because Marvel owns them doesnt mean they will always do a character right. For an actor to want some creative control so that he make sure he is doing the best he can to bring to life a character is passionate work not being needy or selfish as some believe. If it was me I would want it as good as it could be as well.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 5:45 AM
Because in mid negoatiations they dropped out for basically no reason. Per Kevins statement it wasnt because of money. So then obviously it was because of his grudge. That means they didnt even try.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 5:47 AM
I have looked at it from both sides given Marvels statment and past history and Nortons statement and history. In my opinion Marvel [frick]ed up and made a horrible PR move. They have really let me down with this and it makes me less likely to watch the Avengers and since ive hated Captain America casting and direction from the get go this makes me really not go to see this in theatre. Pissing off a bunch of fans can have a lasting effect money wise. Take my total $$ spent on their properties in my life time. Times that by how many fans that feel just like me per their life time. They should care what we think and how we react.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/12/2010, 7:44 AM
@ venom

"They didnt try very hard."

how do you know? were you there? You're forgetting that it was FEIGE that went to Norton and asked him to return. They very clearly wanted him.

"For an actor to want some creative control so that he make sure he is doing the best he can to bring to life a character is passionate work not being needy or selfish as some believe."

But Marvel did a great job with IH. how do you know Norton's ideas didn't suck, so Marvel said no?

@ tea

i'm watching me some Avengers also, buddy, lol

blueballs
blueballs - 7/12/2010, 7:59 AM
my oponion is:
Marvel's statement was very unclassy, and unnecesarily harshly worded = bad PR.
Norton = Talented actor but easily replaceable, unlike Downey JR. who would be hard to replace.

Not to be apologetic towards Marvel and Kevin Feige statement, they were obviously not having great talks, and Kevin probably had fears of TIH temper tantrums rearing their ugly heads again and did not wish to repeat history, and went in a different direction, altough frustated as he may have been with dealing with Norton, he never should have released that statement as it was worded.
but hey it made for some fun gossip and fan bickering!
HelaGood
HelaGood - 7/12/2010, 8:39 AM
this is awesome! great editorial max!
Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon - 7/12/2010, 10:43 AM
At this point, I'd go so far as to place blame on the agent himself. After all, HE's the one who was responsible for the negotiations, not Norton. I would imagine that in commenting, he's trying to save face with his client over costing him the role by making extravagant demands.

Because in contract negotiations, some demands don't always immediately equate with money... if Fiege is truthful that it wasn't a monetary decision, then demands could have been anything from Norton's camp demanding a certain amount of screentime for him in the picture, or top billing over the other cast members, or wanting final approval on the script and or film edit, or a producer credit, or a share of the film's profits... any of which would make for a more dictated and less collaborative picture.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 10:54 AM
"Less Likely to see" doesnt mean wont. However depending on future moves from Marvel and how they decide to go about this could really sway me away from them. This is not a good start to making a awesome movie. If his agent did [frick] this up then Norton needs to go behind him and fix this shit. However i still hold the blame on Marvel for this. Dont preach continuity for the MCU and not back it up.
lalosuper3001
lalosuper3001 - 7/12/2010, 11:07 AM
@TEABAG. You are wrong! You are completely wrong! I can't hear what you are saying because it makes no sense! (cover my ears)lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala.
lalosuper3001
lalosuper3001 - 7/12/2010, 11:18 AM
they should just use smart Hulk. that way they don't need an actor. Just a voice. At the end of IH, when Banner smiles and his eyes glow, it could mean he found a way to turn into Hulk without losing his intelligence. That would work great! What do you guys think?
Dartanian300
Dartanian300 - 7/12/2010, 12:05 PM
Look, no one's ever really going to know what happened except for Marvel and Norton. So while we fans complain, lets just remember that while it was the worst decision Marvel has ever made, it's done and we can't really do anything about it. So let's just move on.
Dartanian300
Dartanian300 - 7/12/2010, 12:06 PM
@lalosuper3001

That's a FANTASTIC IDEA! But apparently Marvel doesn't want to. Oh well...
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/12/2010, 2:40 PM
Nortonites UNITE! Save Bruce Banner from a horrible fate of being portrayed by another actor!
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=136611549692379
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 7/12/2010, 3:59 PM
@ Teabag - Dude! lol. You crack me up!

And as for your article, MaxJaybo, I think you have a good perspective on the agent business. Can I be 100% positive that you're right? No. There are certain things we'll never know for certain. However, one fact remains crystal clear.

Marvel is now owned by Disney. Do they have the money to pay Norton his fee, even if it's outrageous for the role and screen time Banner would receive in The Avengers? Yes. Does that mean that they have to give in to any actor who makes outrageous demands because he knows he has loyal fanboy supporters who will flame Feige and Marvel if they don't give in? No.

Seriously... it's all about money. And Marvel has money. But then again, I doubt Norton has been seen in a soup kitchen recently, or waiting in the welfare office for food stamps.

Marvel has recruited and held onto a huge number of big name A-Listers including RDJ, SLJ, Scar-Jo, and Chris Evans. I think they offered Norton a reasonable percentage in accordance with what everyone else was making for a huge, blockbuster summer movie. Why wouldn't they?

They didn't single out Norton and decide to pick on him. When you have this many top actors all appearing in a single movie, especially considering the budget for the special effects alone, you sway the actors with lower per-film rates over a multi-picture deal. No doubt Hulk sequels were talked about. But Norton, for whatever reason, wouldn't agree.

I can't hate Marvel for what they did to Norton over what they've done for Robert Downey Jr, Sam Jackson, or Scarlett Johannson. Norton just demanded too much, in whatever way, and Feige called him "not a team player."

Sounds about right to me.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/12/2010, 4:06 PM
something people are forgetting is that Marvel NEVER, not once, promised that all actors would reappear.

an argument i see on here a lot over this is that Marvel lied and they're not sticking to their promise of continuity. but they are. the stories and movies are still taking place in the same world. What happened in Iron Man, effects the Avengers, and so forth. come on, they never promised Norton would return. especially after how he flipped out like a little girl over the IH movie.

people just need to relax. its not the end of the world, and Norton would have only been a portion of whats happening in Avengers. i love the people saying they won't see this now. have fun missing out, then.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/12/2010, 4:09 PM
also, Marvel created their own movie company so they could make their own movies without interference from anyone else. Its actually kind of stupid of him to think Marvel would allow him to effect the story in these movies.

What makes Norton think he deserves any kind of creative control? He's an actor, he should act.
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 7/12/2010, 4:49 PM
@ CorndogBurglar - You're absolutely right. As a fan, people support actors. But if you've ever directed a movie, you know that there can really only be one director. (Or better said, only one creative vision, like the Worchowski Brothers, and other directorial duos.)

"Too many chiefs," and all of that. As much as I like Norton as an actor, if he wants full creative control, he needs to start directing. Do the job you're being paid to do. No one needs an employee who thinks he can do his bosses job better than he can.
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 7/12/2010, 5:57 PM
By the way, Max, congrats on making the Main Page!
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 7/12/2010, 6:44 PM
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 7/12/2010, 7:09 PM
A very interesting perception. The way I see it, Norton played a great Bruce Banner, but if he wanted the same amount of money as the others, then I don't blame Marvel for letting him go.
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 7/12/2010, 9:31 PM
Venom@ Perhaps they dropped off negotiations because Norton was being his typical Hollywood difficult-to-deal-with self. I still think it is funny that a number of months ago that Norton was begging his fans to petition to having him back. Sure makes me think that Marvel already had issues with things way prior to the last couple months. And why the hell should Norton or anyone have control over their character and role. He played the part once. That's crazy talk and if that is what he wanted his ego deserves the boot.

Like it or not, the fan boys need to accept the fact that Norton, regardless of how good you think he can act, has a crappy reputation in Hollywood. Let's not forget that and remember that could easily have played into things. There are a lot more than 1 or 2 people who don't think Norton walks on water. ;-)
WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 7/12/2010, 11:03 PM
THE AVENGERS <<<-------- is a Marvel Studios movie

they have creative control
not the actors

Marvel owns the movie, the characters, the story

in order to build the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Marvel knows what they're doing

so let's have faith in Marvel

and also, we'd still watch the Avengers coz Marvel does it for us, the fans

in the end, all of us fans receive our own fair share of these Marvel Movies.

Nuff said!!!
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