ARROWVERSE Creator Marc Guggenheim Thinks Marvel Studios Needs To Reduce Its Content Output

ARROWVERSE Creator Marc Guggenheim Thinks Marvel Studios Needs To Reduce Its Content Output

"If I was suddenly in [Marvel Studios President] Kevin Feige's role, basically I would do what Iger was saying, which is prune the tree. You know, there's just too much content," said Guggenheim.

By MarkJulian - Jul 26, 2023 08:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios
Source: The Aarthi and Sriram Show

Recently, Disney CEO Bob Iger stated that he thinks Marvel Studios may have overextended themselves by producing television shows for Disney+. It's a sentiment that many MCU fans have echoed, as there's currently a prevailing perception that the MCU brand is on a downward trajectory.

You can count Arrowverse creator Marc Guggenheim among the latter.  A recent guest on The Aarthi and Sriram Show, Guggenheim was asked about his thoughts on rebooting the MCU.

Said Guggenheim [via The Direct]:  

"If I was suddenly in [Marvel Studios President] Kevin Feige's role, basically I would do what Iger was saying, which is prune the tree. You know, there's just too much content. I'm like the biggest Marvel nerd ever, and I haven't seen Moon Knight. I just can't keep up. There's just too much content."

"And then of course like Iger was saying, there's a question of how much content can you produce at quality. To me the difference between Phase 4 and Phases 1 through 3 is fundamentally something very simple, which is you could even be watching 'Infinity War' without having seen the prior X number of movies."

Guggenheim went on to reference the self-contained nature of the films from Phase 1 to Phase 3, which also simultaneously built towards the climactic showdown with Thanos.

"'Winter Soldier' was its own movie with a beginning, middle, and end. And yet, that movie set the foundation for things that, you know it didn't deal with Infinity Stones, but it did deal with Hydra and SHEILD and Steve Rogers' relationship with the government and the Winter Soldier. There were alot of pieces. And same thing with 'Black Panther.' 'Black Panther' works great as a movie beginning, middle, and end, even though it's setting up this whole world of Wakanda that figures very large in 'Infinity War."

Do you agree with what the creator of Arrow is saying? Let us know in the comment section below.

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philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 7/26/2023, 8:55 AM
Wow, watch out for this hot take.

Has he been in a coma?
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/26/2023, 10:38 AM
@philinterrupted - What a $200 million dollar budget gets you
VictorAlonzo
VictorAlonzo - 7/26/2023, 8:56 AM
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 7/26/2023, 9:01 AM
The MCU was a popular series that lost all of it's most popular stars and characters. The stars brought the interest. They made people care about movies like Ant-Man just because it is part of the series. But after they left, no one to carry Ant-Man. Will be interesting to see if Marvel's desperate cameo moves can save The Marvels and Captain America Too.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 7/26/2023, 10:40 AM
@PartyKiller - Nah, Chris Evan and Chris Hemsworth were NOT stars when their movies came out, Robert Downey was a "star" but not a draw at the time. People came out for these movies because it was awesome to see well made movies about these heroes we had never seen done right in live action. Then they became stars and the draw to continue their stories was still there. Now that we lost some of the main characters, the novelty of the movies has also worn off and they have been adding crap characters. There are still some good ones, but I don't think that star power is Marvels problem. Unless by stars you just mean the main characters of iron man, captain america, and black widow themselves.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 7/26/2023, 11:07 AM
@PartyKiller - MCU still has stars. all phase 4 and 5 introduced and carried over stars. Since they aren't forcing connective films or telling you who matters its just irking the audience. People are to use to being spoon fed a goal. I don't think the problem is not having any stars, its having too many.

But that is the goal of the MCU. The idea of the next avengers film is supposed to be random, it can be 3 random members from movies and tv show.

Also they gotta stop giving us average to shit film/tv shows too.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 7/31/2023, 9:16 AM
@Shivermetimbers - The early movies were not mega hits. Marvel had great actor/character combos. And they lost the stars of the MCU and replaced them with actor/characters that are not liked enough to be box office draws.

It was like The Walking Dead. The series had great actor/character combos and wasted the ones that viewers cared to follow. They replaced them with others that never became popular. The series' popularity died.

The MCU is dead. Not only have they lost their attractions, trash like Secret Invasion has done serious damage to what was left.
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 7/26/2023, 9:01 AM
I don’t disagree. I think Kevin Feige got his arm twisted by Disney: “Hey, we need shows to fill this new streaming service. What ya got?”

I’m not saying the shows we have got are bad — but some could have worked better as short one-shots or perhaps even as two hour specials.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 7/26/2023, 10:43 AM
@NoAssemblyReqd - True. Its just too bad that the damage continues to be done. I feel like they should have pulled a DC move and cancelled Echo and Agatha to get the tax savings and cut the fat. Continuing to put out this kind of D list character stuff just further waters down the brand. MArvel is in a weird spot.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 7/26/2023, 9:01 AM
We don’t need to hear a GODDAMN THING from you mf

FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 7/26/2023, 9:02 AM
@PlusUltra - But he’s right
oldnoname
oldnoname - 7/26/2023, 9:48 AM
@PlusUltra - agreed on both counts lol
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 7/26/2023, 9:06 AM
Well you’re like 7 years behind everyone else who’s said the same thing.
Glad we got that advice from the guy responsible for the CWverse.
AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/26/2023, 9:13 AM
Has great has Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) was it wasn't a huge box office draw. Compared to a lot of other Marvel Studios movies

DOMESTIC = $259,766,572

INTERNATIONAL = $454,654,931

WORLDWIDE = $714,421,503

philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 7/26/2023, 9:24 AM
@AllsGood - box office isn’t the be all end all. Cut it out with quoting these numbers.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/26/2023, 10:10 AM
@AllsGood - this is more important
Alien time!
https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share
AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/26/2023, 10:19 AM
@bobevanz - No watch.

bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/26/2023, 10:40 AM
@AllsGood - The strongest MCU character


What a $200 million dollar budget gets you
Vigor
Vigor - 7/26/2023, 10:51 AM
@bobevanz - damn is that a spoiler for the finale?
I'm not watching it til after work 😑

Please 🙏🏾 no more
AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/26/2023, 11:02 AM
@bobevanz - Actually Vigor is right that's a Huge Spoiler. I haven't even seen the show yet.

MarkJulian this is a huge Spoiler.

Vigor
Vigor - 7/26/2023, 9:29 AM
"Winter Soldier' was its own movie with a beginning, middle, and end. And yet, that movie set the foundation for things that, you know it didn't deal with Infinity Stones, but it did deal with Hydra and SHEILD and Steve Rogers' relationship with the government and the Winter Soldier. There were alot of pieces. And same thing with 'Black Panther.' 'Black Panther' works great as a movie beginning, middle, and end, even though it's setting up this whole world of Wakanda that figures very large in 'Infinity War"


Yes all true. But also we haven't seen the full tapestry yet. Secret invasion is its own thing. (Just like winter soldier was) . But it may figure very large in Kang Dynasty or Secret wars too.

I see the criticism. But a voice inside me cringes when I know the full painting isn't complete yet. That's like going back and complaining about guardians of the galaxy when it came out because it has nothing to do with Earth. While the guardians were VERY instrumental in the conflict against thanos in Infinity War and Endgame.

I'll question. I'll comment. I'll wonder. But I won't judge until the multiverse saga is complete

His other comment about too much content is spot on though. My wife lost interest because there's just so much. And that was my marvel buddy for years !
Mugens
Mugens - 7/26/2023, 10:43 AM
@Vigor - Have to agree with everything you said, except the too much content bit, but I know I'm in the minority about that. I find it strange that someone who claims to be a Marvel nerd as Guggenheim states he is, is unable to keep up with what has been going on with the films and TV shows. But again, maybe it's just me.
Vigor
Vigor - 7/26/2023, 10:50 AM
@Mugens - I guess it depends on who you are. For me personally it's just the right amount of content. The wait between she hulk and secret invasion sucked! I liked when we had shows back to back like falcon, wandavision, loki, etc

But for more casuals, I can understand the too much content criticism a bit
Mugens
Mugens - 7/26/2023, 1:59 PM
@Vigor - Pretty much in agreement with everything you stated.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 7/26/2023, 9:33 AM
I’ve been saying that here for years. They need to focus on quality not quantity.
AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/26/2023, 9:38 AM
Do you agree with what the creator of Arrow is saying?

TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 7/26/2023, 9:39 AM
No shit, baldie
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 7/26/2023, 9:53 AM
Anyone with a functioning brain could have figured that out. Disney wanted to furnish their brand new streaming service and sacrificed Marvel and Star Wars to the Disney+ altar because they thought these IPs were simply money-printing machines.

Turns out abuse isn't profitable in the long run. Total shocker.
oldnoname
oldnoname - 7/26/2023, 9:56 AM
I wonder what planning meetings at marvel even sound like at this point. I wonder what they sounded like after endgame was in production.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 7/26/2023, 10:05 AM
Pot, meet kettle.
dancingmonkey08
dancingmonkey08 - 7/26/2023, 12:47 PM
@Ha1frican - goddamn this, with every new series the Arrowverse created, the quality got worse and worse with each new season...because they were creating so many shows...
RockBottom
RockBottom - 7/26/2023, 10:28 AM
He’s clearly high.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/26/2023, 10:31 AM
The too much content thing is fair and understandable.

However , I have never understood this thing that you could watch Infinity War without having seen the prior x number of movies…

Sure you could watch it but what will you get out of it other than just maybe being entertained?

you’ll certainly get more out of it if you have seen the prior stuff and that’s the same case I feel with Phase 4 aswell imo

Also , I know it’s too much to ask for people on this site and the internet but how about we judge after we have seen the completed picture when this Multiverse Saga is over…

I know it seems disjointed now to an extent with us being introduced to many new characters , dealing with post EG fallout aswell as setting up this new overarching story and Big Bad but let’s see how it comes together or not shall we?.
CurlyBill
CurlyBill - 7/26/2023, 10:32 AM
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 7/26/2023, 10:33 AM
He likely hasn't seen Moon Knight yet, because like me, he has no desire to.🤣 You can still qualify as a Marvel or DC fan, without having to consume every single project that's put out. My issue with Marvel, is more about wanting them to prioritize the right characters, and getting the X-Men/Fantastic Four rebooted. They've moved a bit slower, than I would've liked.
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