SPIDER-MAN: James Cameron Reflects On His Failed Movie And Why He Wanted Biological Web-Shooters

SPIDER-MAN: James Cameron Reflects On His Failed Movie And Why He Wanted Biological Web-Shooters

It's no secret that Avatar and The Terminator director James Cameron was once developing a Spider-Man movie, but the filmmaker has now shed a little more light on what he had planned for the wall-crawler.

By JoshWilding - Dec 06, 2021 05:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man
Source: Screen Crush

With Spider-Man: Far From Home right around the corner, interest in Marvel Comics' most iconic superhero is at an all-time high. Of course, the wall-crawler's big screen adventure began with 2002's Spider-Man courtesy of filmmaker Sam Raimi. An absolute classic, in many ways the movie set the stage for what would become known as the modern superhero blockbuster. 

Years before, however, Avatar helmer James Cameron attempted to bring Spidey into theaters. In his new book, Tech Noir: The Art of James Cameron, the filmmaker talks more about his dashed hopes for the project and told Screen Crush how different it would have been to Raimi's take.

"I think it would’ve been very different," Cameron said, noting that he "didn’t make a move without asking [Stan Lee] permission." The director later reveals that he viewed the character's journey as representing "a metaphor for puberty and all the changes to your body, your anxieties about society, about society’s expectations, your relationships with your gender of choice that you’re attracted to." 

He added that "going with the biological web-shooters as being part of his biological adaptation to the radioactive spider bite made sense to me," before revealing that his Spider-Man movie would have had a "kind of gritty reality to it" compared to the fictional homes of Batman and Superman.

"I wanted it to be: It’s New York. It’s now. A guy gets bitten by a spider. He turns into this kid with these powers and he has this fantasy of being Spider-Man, and he makes this suit and it’s terrible, and then he has to improve the suit, and his big problem is the damn suit. Things like that. I wanted to ground it in reality and ground it in universal human experience."

Admitting that it "would have been a fun film to make," Cameron explained that rights issues ultimately killed the movie. However, he still walked away with a valuable lesson. "I made a decision after Titanic to just kind of move on and do my own things and not labor in the house of others’ IP. So I think [Spider-Man not coming together] was probably the kick in the ass that I needed to just go make my own stuff." If Avatar's box office success proves anything, it's that he likely made the right choice!

Spider-Man: No Way Home arrives in U.S. on December 17 and in the UK on December 15.

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GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/6/2021, 5:04 PM
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 12/6/2021, 5:12 PM
From I remember hearing about the movie it definitely sounded...interesting? o_0 Although tbf there seemed to be a fair amount of stuff from Cameron that got carried over to the Raimi movies (puberty analogys, organic web shooters etc.) so I think some good came out it lol. There was actually a great video on the cancelled movie done by Supervoid Cinema (one of my favorite yt channels) that's super insightful for anyone who wants to know more about the movie.

Unites
Unites - 12/6/2021, 5:12 PM
Biological web-shooters indeed would make much more sense.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 12/6/2021, 5:17 PM
Cameron could have done wonders, especially back when he was at the top of his game. However, I would never trade anything for what we got. Raimi delivered a masterpiece.

GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/6/2021, 5:19 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - "Raimi delivered a masterpiece."

bcom
bcom - 12/6/2021, 5:44 PM
@BlackBeltJones - The most paused DVD scene from 2002 LOL!
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/6/2021, 5:46 PM
@bcom - years later we discover gifs, leaving the pause button behind… wait a minute. Why don’t remotes have gif buttons yet? This problem must be solved, yesterday!
IronGland
IronGland - 12/6/2021, 5:48 PM
@BlackBeltJones - I watched those again recently.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/6/2021, 6:03 PM
@PartyBoy - agreed with all that. Yeah concerning Cameron, I think he’d make a brutal and poignant Spider-Man movie, a superhero epic. Oh there would be blood. Sorry Coens, get lost, this is no country for old men, ah I did it again
inkniron
inkniron - 12/6/2021, 6:04 PM
@bcom - I was thinking of that time in my college life and I thought Christina Ricci in Prozac Nation, Halle Berry in Monster's Ball and Jolie in Original Sin only to look them up and find out they were 2001.

I think I saw them all in '02, so I'll take them as my most paused/rewatched.
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 12/6/2021, 7:29 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - ..they were very good movies that were groundbreaking for their time. Idk about masterpiece.. I think of those first 2 the same way i do about donner’s Superman I and II.
Fogs
Fogs - 12/7/2021, 3:19 AM
@bcom - hahahah true, if it was a VHS the image would have those tearings due to excessive usage in that part.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 12/6/2021, 5:19 PM
His basic point is that the organic web shooters are the equivalent of getting an unquenchable woodrow when the bell rings for 4th period.
TheRealMandarin
TheRealMandarin - 12/6/2021, 5:28 PM
Ya know what. Let em direct the new trilogy. Doesn't matter if it's about Peter or miles just as long as he can say he Finally got to direct a spiderman movie 😎.
YonnyLayna
YonnyLayna - 12/6/2021, 5:38 PM
I always prefer that part of Spider-Man were his powers are not that pretty like that close up to the finger tips in Spiderman 1, or when he grew those six arms.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 12/6/2021, 5:38 PM
I wonder if it was a coincidence that Sam Raimi introduced the organic/bologic web-shooters or not.

Then again back then there was this story where Morlun killed Peter and he ended up resurrecting and he obtained more spider-like abilities, the bio web shooters being among them.
bcom
bcom - 12/6/2021, 5:40 PM
For some reason when I hear a director say the words "I wanted to ground it in reality" regarding a superhero movie I kind of grimace a little bit.

Regardless of how renowned a director is, I think grounding a superhero in reality shouldn't be a primary focus when making a superhero movie, because superheroes by nature are not grounded in reality. Sure, it worked for Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, but even that had fantastical elements to it. And yes, The Batman also seems to be another "grounded" take on the character, but I think directors should be more concerned with embracing the comic book worlds these characters live in and make that universe make sense on the big screen rather than trying to make it more realistic.

I have no doubt that Cameron would've made a good looking Spider-Man movie, but his take on the character didn't really sound like your typical friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

Having said that, if he fully embraced the comic book world he lives in, I think Cameron would make a great Superman movie.
PartyBoy
PartyBoy - 12/6/2021, 5:53 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - Hollywood's revisions are usually dim-witted, but I always liked the Cameron and Raimi organic web-shooters. For film it's just simpler and less to explain.

Cameron is GOAT and his Spidey would possibly have been the best. Raimi Spidey 2 is hard to beat, but JC is great with themes and has the discipline to not over-complicate a 2 hour story. He might have given Raimi V2 a run for its money.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 12/7/2021, 4:06 AM
@bcom - I think he means that Spider-man would be set in the New York of the day, rather than an over-stylised Metropolis or Gotham. A recognisable New York, not one with overhead railways and a Statue of Liberty with Captain America's shield.
This is what Stan Lee's vision brought to comics and I think Cameron was going to emulate that.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/6/2021, 5:45 PM
@bcom - literally. This is when I stopped being a kid and became a man lol.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 12/6/2021, 5:46 PM
James Cameron is an anomaly to me. He seems to be both an asshole and in general and out of touch borderline moron but man… his movies somehow are pretty great. I really don’t get where it comes from because hearing him talk is like nails on a chalkboard to me but dude has some of the best movies of all time under his belt and even the extremely derivative ones like Avatar are still spectacle enough to be enjoyable
PartyBoy
PartyBoy - 12/6/2021, 6:26 PM
@Ha1frican - Cameron is a brilliant!

I would argue that what makes “derivative” Avatar shine as a whole has everyhting to do with what JC specifically brings to an old Romeo and Juliet styled story. Most importantly, his unique scifi-infused resolution to the tale. The whole movie funnels into Neytiri and Jake finally seeing each other face to face as they truly are in the finale. And the movie would fall apart without this moment, which was not lifted from R&J, Pocahontas, etc. It’s JC’s original idea and structurally sets the whole film.

He is a certifiable genius.

Many talented people have abrasive personalities. People can’t be good at everything! I love the fact his big hobby/passion outside of film is ocean science. To me he is a real world legend.

I always wished we could see Cameron make a Batman movie. But I am happy to have Nolan’s at times “Kubrick-y” Batman, so life is good.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 12/6/2021, 6:36 PM
@PartyBoy - I dont know about “genius” he made the Macguffin of his movie “Unobtanium” lol but he certainly is a master of his craft
PartyBoy
PartyBoy - 12/6/2021, 6:39 PM
@Ha1frican - That was not his idea.

That's real world stuff!

https://www.childrensmuseum.org/blog/unobtainium-isnt-realor-is-it

LOL, you are being too hard on Cameron. The guy is brilliant.
MovieMonster
MovieMonster - 12/6/2021, 5:46 PM
@MovieMonster - luckily with the What If and multiverse we now have a vehicle for Cameron to deliver on his spiderman interpretation... and i look forward to seeing it.
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