The Future of Spider-Man

The Future of Spider-Man

With Spider-Man 4 being tossed, here are some things that need to be done to reboot the franchise.

Editorial Opinion
By darthstern - Jan 19, 2010 04:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Remember when, long ago, we were all excited. Excited that one of our favorite superheroes, was finally, after all the trials and tribulations, false starts, and shattered dreams was coming to the big screen. Then remember when things started to leak out, Toby Maguire is who. What the hell do you mean no web shooters? A genetically engineered spider are you kidding me, But you know what, it came out and it was pretty good and it made a lot of money for Sony. Then came Spider-Man 2, bigger and better in every way then the first. You have to admit it, the train fight scene is still one of the best CMB action scenes ever filmed (or drawn, I don't think you film cgi). Now these two movies were great. I for one enjoyed them a lot. Sure Toby was a lame Peter Parker and Mary Jane has a snaggle tooth. Who would have even thought that if one of those other 14 "super spiders" would have bitten someone else there would have been another Spiderman and hey for the record where does old Toby store his limitless amount of silk, but whatever, spider man was on the screen and it was great.

Now lets move on to the debacle that was Spider-Man 3, or was it. Now don't start the hate to soon. Yes I agree with 99.99% of you that it was the weakest of the bunch. Weakest being a tremendous understatement, but was it really that bad when compared to the others. Now here me out. If you take out the dancing, the singing, and venom. it was a solid movie and I will stand by that opinion and if you think about it real hard you know I'm right. Well none the less, studio executives know what they are doing cause you know what, it had the biggest box office of them all. $890,871,626.00 world wide to be exact. So why would they not put their dirty hands on the script and do what the hell they want. You guys have to remember were are the minority when it comes to these movies. they don't care about what we think, they care about asses in seats bottom line. So when Avi tells them Venom will do this they listen. It does not matter that Sam Rami thinks it will clutter his film, shoot the scenes director boy we got money to make.
well I'll Venom speak for himself



Well, know we all know that Spider-Man 4 has been scrapped. Some are happy, some are sad. I personally think its a blessing in disguise. The old movies were great for their time, but the times they are a changing. Iron man and The Incredible Hulk showed us just how good marvel movies can be. So now here is what Sony has to do, short of giving Marvel back the rights, to make everyone happy.

I like the whole going back to high school thing. You know something reboot the whole dam thing. Do the origin the right way no more "engineered super spiders", one spider, one radioactive ray, one bite, one dead spider, nuff said. Have Pete invent those web shooters. The kid is supposed to be a genius. One of the main plot points is that he can always run out of webbing and webbing costs money. How does he get money, why he gets a job. Now a lot of people are not going to like this but the whole photographer for the DB is really out dated, and buy the way how many 15 year old kids are working photographer's anyway. If he's in high school let him be in high school. Let him get a job at Best Buy or Radio Shack or go Ultimate and work in a fast food store. Save the DB for later movies.

Now, Sony is in the money making business and they want to keep the franchise alive. So how do they do it? They take the Harry Potter route of course. No Pete's not going to Hogwarts, but I do like the whole idea of one movie being a year in the life aspect. You may not like the Potter movies, but you have to admit they have made a boat load of money $4,545,426,613.00 to be exact and there's still 2 more coming. These books made the perfect transition to the screen because there was something for everyone, and also you were able to see these kids grow up right before your eyes. It did not matter that they were getting older, that was the point. It was a journey of life experiences.
Now that being said, the same approach can work for the old web head. Technically speaking Peter got bit when he was 15 years old. Now that makes him what a 9th or 10th grader. Now if you go the "Potter " route, you can make at least 6 movies and the character should be around 25 and so should the actor. Yeah I know my math is off but it does not only have to be 1 year per movie. You get to see the character grow up, go out with Gwen. lose Gwen. Go out with MJ then Black Cat then back to MJ. Then Marry MJ. You get what I'm saying. This all happens naturally its not rushed and Sony can back up the garbage trucks to collect the money. They get what they want and we get what we want, a lot of good Spidey stories on the big screen.
Now here comes the part where i do a fan cast to further annoy you good people. Its not easy to find a lot of 17 year old actors so I went with and age limit of 22 for certain ones

Peter Parker/ Spiderman
Chris Massoglia


Gwen Stacy
Mia Wasikowska


Harry Osbourne
Nate Hartley


Mary Jane Watson
With the very expensive special effect of hair dye
Hayden Panettiere


I still need the older cast and a good Flash Tompson, but I think its a good start. What do you guys think?
And ohh just because i always hated the blue and red, maybe the real Black costume will get to make a showing
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Mixbreed
Mixbreed - 1/19/2010, 9:05 AM
sup,
first time posting in CBM.com. Just wanted to say that the Spiderman days have been truly shafted! I have nothing but mixed emotions about this whole ordeal with scrapping it, changing characters, rumors, etc, etc, and SM is my all time favorite charater! I see it like this, yea they pretty much screwed the franchise with SM3, got the story half assed wrong from the jump (even though SM 1 & 2 was pretty good), and now they have a hard time building more lies and B.S. for the fourth. I believe in my own opinion Raimi was gonna make part 3 epic!! But he was forced fed crap by Sony exec's and thus ruining a shot for a fourth installment, so hence everything scrapped. We'll see what they do with this franchise but im to the point now where i just dont care anymore....like beating a dead horse with a stick kind of feeling.
Jables
Jables - 1/19/2010, 9:51 AM
Yea SM3 was crap! But I believe that with the reboot, we should get the ultimate storyline and that would be waaayy cooler! Oh, and good article Darthstern!
Ryden
Ryden - 1/19/2010, 9:56 AM
Nice article but not to keen on the cast ;)

I'm all for the reboot myself, Spider-~Man 4 was going to suck...it really had everything going against it. I mean..THE VULTRESS?!?! What was Raimi thinking?!
Jables
Jables - 1/19/2010, 9:59 AM
Rhino and Kraven for the reboot
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 1/19/2010, 10:09 AM
I agree with you for Spiderman 3.
I don't agree with the webbing.I like how Raimi make the web.The only two thing that I like about the reboot is the age of Parker.With this age we gona have more spiderman movies.The second thing that I like is what he always say with the enenies: Don't damage the suit!
Very good article.Keep up the good work.
Shaman
Shaman - 1/19/2010, 10:12 AM
You do raise good points, darthstern. I am very happy about the reboot. And like i already said, for Peter's high school years, they already have the brilliantly written Ultimate Spider-Man line which we would be lucky to get on screen OR they could use the awesome "Spectacular Spider-Man" show which could easily relate to a high school environment. But i do like Peter to be a young photographer with very little experience but being the only one to bring in great shots of spidey. As for the webshooters, i think it would be cool to see them but not having him run out of webbing every five minutes! He should have no less than 5 extra cartriges per wrist.

And great job linking Harry Potter in there. I don't read books but i loved the movies. And i saw them with a highly critical view in mind but the films still blew me away. Anyone that haven't seen them because they hate teenshit should still give it a chance. They are enjoyable.

MovieTheaterLad- I did enjoy him not having shooters but realistically speaking, he'd need a pretty floppy nuttsac to store the silk.
Shaman
Shaman - 1/19/2010, 10:19 AM
Multi- I freakin' LOVE the Ultimate Electro!!! And Brock as Rhyno is flat out GENIUS!!!
Jimdlux
Jimdlux - 1/19/2010, 10:21 AM
Too much writing...easy solution, do it right!
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/19/2010, 10:22 AM
"If you take out the dancing, the singing, and venom. it was a solid movie "

Nope, still not solid-you've got snowboard goblin and what was the other thing...oh yeah, they made Sandman (before super powers) Uncle Ben's killer! Horrible move.

Sandman was the only decent thing about that movie.

I am for the reboot. I agree it is for business purposes that they are doing this. The cast & crew will have some huge multi contract deals
cadairjr05
cadairjr05 - 1/19/2010, 10:22 AM
have to agree with others...

web shooters in the film sounds lame. its going to get pretty cheesy if we have to see an intense fight scene and its interrupted by "i ran out of web!" Just not a good look.

And the genetically-engineered spider? thats not bad either. We can move past all the radioactive ray origins. the GE spider was a nice update.

take all of those things out of spiderman 3, i still dont like it. The only thing good about it was the special effects.

I do agree with the direction that this next franchise should go. Raimi's version of spiderman was like tim burton's version of batman...nice take on the characters but no where near the original stories. So lets make an equivalent to Nolan's Batman...i dont think it should be dark..only if the material requires it. Dark is overrated. But you can still have something serious with comic relief. Spiderman needs it.
elcaballerooscuro92
elcaballerooscuro92 - 1/19/2010, 10:29 AM
i like all the reboot thing, and i agree with the cast cause i love hayden panettiere, but i do not agree with the harry ousborne choice.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/19/2010, 10:33 AM
Agreed Multi-I remember one of the comics theorizing that part of the reason he could build the web shooters is because he got bit. It gave him a spiders skill intuition(?) to comprehend building them.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 1/19/2010, 10:37 AM
I don't like your Mary Jane and Harry.
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 1/19/2010, 10:38 AM
I think I am going to avoid all Spiderman reboot posts until there is actually some solid news released. Don't mean to sound callous and I appreciate that people take the time to write the articles, but how many of these articles do we have to be subjected to? Could we just wait until there is some real info and something of substance to actually base an article on? I know...I know...reread my first line and just don't read them if I am not interested. It just seems redundant to see different SM reboot posts day after day and most the people here just repost the same replies and opinions they have posted all the other days prior.
Verdugo
Verdugo - 1/19/2010, 10:54 AM
I don’t think this is the right time for a reboot; Sony should wait for a few years if they want a fresh new start en Spidey. Regarding your casting choice they are good, but they also made me realize that I don't want to see a teenage Spiderman; I’m tired of High school Musicals or Twilights.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/19/2010, 10:55 AM
Got it MPP. Thanks. Campbell sure has been speaking to everyone! Hopefull Ed Gross, Brent or someone with connections can get a CBM exclusive.
GarageNinja
GarageNinja - 1/19/2010, 11:03 AM
I liked everything I read and I think the Harry Potter route is brilliant. I can only hope that the right people would stumble upon this site and get some good inspiration from the right people; the fans.

Also, on a side note, I always enjoyed the issue of Spider-Man where he was considered by the Avengers to be a recruit but ultimatley was too much of a loner, would there be room in this new series for cameos & crossovers?
GuyFawkes
GuyFawkes - 1/19/2010, 11:05 AM
Very true @multi the costume didnt have to go the X-men rout!

PS. Ruby rocket is hot!
Colton
Colton - 1/19/2010, 11:08 AM
hey rdj at golden globes with trademark stark goatee, ironman re-shoots and thor starting filming... hmmmmm, sounds like a whole lots goin on in marvel movieland. cameoworld too i hope...
TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 1/19/2010, 11:26 AM
Okay.

1) Web Shooters suck. Despite the fact that it's the original story, I never liked the idea. Its a nice gimmick, but it just makes Spider-Man seem lackluster instead of super.

2) The Super Spiders were awesome.

3) The big dogs who only care about "asses in seats" are totally douchetastic. I agree.

4) Tobey did a fantastic job! The first Spider-Man movie was an instant classic! If anything, it should have been a one-shot, to preserve its CBM Holiness!!!

I'm not liking any of these suggested actors by anybody btw lol. I think that when they choose an actor, it will seem right. I'll be happy if they just make the villains how they are supposed to be.

Ultimate Venom. 'Nuff said.
Dub0ner
Dub0ner - 1/19/2010, 11:34 AM
SM3 was awful.
Maguire is a good SM, but Sony never got the witty, genius personality of Peter Parker correct. No emo boy.
Web cartridges Should be developed. Period. SM Should run out of web and be forced to employ other tactics.
Way too much time developing side love stories instead of the character's dimensions, eg Venom and Sandman.
How do you kill off one of the best villains of all time within 30 minutes?

Studios want money. Sony placed itself in a corner with SM3 (they killed off Venom in. The only chance they have with the SM franchise IS to reboot it. Movies that make a lot of money right now (besides Avatar), are teenage, romanticized fantasies.
This is exactly what Sony wants to do - Feed us more sh1t!

SM does not need the "Harry Potter" treatment, it needs a Marvel steriod injection. And Sony needs a shot in the jewels.
ATOMbomb
ATOMbomb - 1/19/2010, 11:40 AM
Great article, I agree with the Harry Potter route. Also, SM3 would have been great with all that crap taken out. I thought Tobey was a great Peter Parker/Spider-Man he reminded me a lot of the Parker from the 90s animated series which I loved. I think the cast above sucks.
jarydevan
jarydevan - 1/19/2010, 12:00 PM
eh i agree with the spiderman 3 comments, i was digging the whole "no web shooters" and "radioactive spider" deal though
not into the cast choices either
although, i love that picture of hayden panetierre, she is some kind of sexy
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/19/2010, 12:01 PM
I don't think the origin needs to be re-told. Genetically engineered spiders make a lot more sense than radioactive spiders. Web shooters? I'm torn. The movies worked well with natural web so I think they could still do that. Web shooters are true to the source, but I'm not sure that they would be well recieved by the general public. I think there's a misconception (aided by the movies) that Spider-man has always had the power to shoot webs from his wrists.
Anyway, they could start off the reboot the same way The Spectacular Spider-man (animated series) started out. Peter is starting back at school after his first summer as Spider-man. It's relatively close to the begining and he still hasn't fought any super villains yet. In my opinion the first movie did a fantastic job of telling the origin. It hasn't been that long since that came out, so doing it again would feel like a rehash.
TheDemonHunter
TheDemonHunter - 1/19/2010, 12:02 PM
For those of you who don't want to see teenage high school Spidey stories, be smart and let your voice be heard when it goes to the box office by not going. At all. Period. Losing money is the only thing that gets through to movie studios. That's what I'm planning on if this is going to be series of high school movies.

As far as web shooters go, I'd like to see them as well. As Multi has pointed out, the web shooters have been around since the beginning and he's had to learn to fight without them at times when he hasn't had time to run home for new cartridges or when he's simply not had the time to make more. So long as they aren't stupid enough to use that same bit over and over, I see no problem there.

@DogsOfWar -- I think that bit about the spider's intuition letting him make web shooters was one of the abominations from "The Other" when they started adding new powers to Spider-Man, rewriting him so that his powers were tied to some mystic spider god instead of being a science-based hero as he had been for the previous 40 years. I seriously hope none of that ever makes it into the movies.

As for everyone saying Ultimate Spidey (and the villains changed therein) is better, keep in mind that Spidey was around a long time before the Ultimate universe and working purely from that world's storyline will do nothing but piss off people who don't like Ultimates and have those people giving negative buzz about how it doesn't follow the Spider-Man stuff they've known for 40 years or more. The producers would be foolish to ignore the 616 Spider-Man history to the degree that a lot of the Ultimate stuff does for that reason.

The goal is to not alienate the biggest segment of the audience possible if they're smart. The Ultimate version takes a lot of liberties with the storyline and characters that don't remotely resemble what a lot of people are familiar with and enjoy about the Spider-Man mythos. Sorry gang, but strictly appealing to a hundred thousand hardcore fan boys at the expense of a few million paying customers is simply foolish from a business perspective.

Mark my words. If they go with all (or even mostly) Ultimate versions of the characters for the reboot, it will be just as harshly received by a large segment of the population as Spider-Man 3 was.
BJD
BJD - 1/19/2010, 12:12 PM
I'm all for rebooting just the 3rd movie....do spider-man 3 again and all will be forgiven...Just do it right....Black suit spiderman (real black suit) vs Sandman, Harry coming to grips with the fact that his father was the green goblin and toying with the notion of taking the serum, spiderman wrestles off the symbiote next to the church bell, mary jane gets horribly disfigured in a car accident with a truck transporting sulfuric acid but then gets experimental plastic surgery and ipso presto she's a different actress, and finally tease the 4th movie with venom...
SuperSpiderMan5778
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 1/19/2010, 12:20 PM
holy shite i've only been saying this for 4 years. darthstern has the right idea. if they're gonna do the whole high school thing they should go the Spectacular Spider-Man route/Harry Potter route. 6 movies? shit make 8 10 how many it takes. just do it right. don't kill off the villains and stick to the comic stories.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/19/2010, 12:24 PM
@DemonHunter-no, it wasn't that story line although they might have made a reference to it as well. I honestly can't remember what issue it was in just that after reading it, that has always stuck with me. I don't know if intuition was the right word to use.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 1/19/2010, 12:24 PM
[frick] HIGH SCHOOL!!

[frick] ULTIMATE!!

A SPIDER-MAN continuation reboot (if we must) is the only way to go!!!

TheDemonHunter
TheDemonHunter - 1/19/2010, 12:28 PM
@DogsOfWar -- Hmmmm I'll need to go back and look again then. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was a relatively recent development in Spidey history anyway. And by recent, I mean in the last seven to ten years. Could be wrong though.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 1/19/2010, 12:29 PM
Need i say more????

.jake-gyllenhaal-SPIDER-MAN-ACTOR-LEEE777





: D
DevilsAdvocate
DevilsAdvocate - 1/19/2010, 12:41 PM
Spider Man the teen age years come on and join the fun. See what happens when a show like Saved by the Bell meets The Spider Man comics. Reboot is unnecassary Sony s*cks quagulated sperm balls.
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