Venom IS Dead. That Means No Return!

Dude, this is Raimi we're talking about. He took a very sound and accurate origin of Spider-man in regards to Uncle Ben's assasin and screwed it up royaly with Sandman. In no possible way did Sandman's introduction have any bit of logical sense. When i saw that in theaters, i wanted to walk out. And i'm glad i didn't because i would have missed the second reason to walk out which was "disco dacing peter pan"!!! So to bring back Venom or even Brock for that matter... In the words of the immortal "Undercover Brother":

"It ain't no thang!"

Like I said a in the article... THE SYMBIOTES CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT A HOST FOR MORE THAN A FEW HOURS!!!

@Shaman: Do I need to remind everyone of the rant I went on in the theater over the bullshit SM3 was overflowing with, LMAO. Let's not bury the franchise completely though. There is still a lot to be had with these movies before we finally just reboot and rehash it all again. I'd at least like to squeeze in a few more villains, because you know any future remakes will feature Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and probably Venom. I want to make sure I get a Lizard movie.

@Demonwolf: C'mon, the fishbowl would be the best part, lol, ahem... seriously.

@TheMyth: the fishbowl with Bruce Campbell under it!

@zinext: I think you mean Sony, not Fox

i say scorpin as a villian i mean we all know that jameson hates spidey use that as a plot and give us scorpin

@Zinext: I agree, something crazy could be pulled, like the Mac Gargon Venom, or a piece of the symbiote escaped the blast and found a sociopath watching from an alley named Cletus. They could pull some shit, and who really say's that the symbiote life cycle has to apply in the movie's, they take libertie's all the time, that would be something quickly dealt with. I mostly posted this as a point to people in denial about Eddie Brock being dead. From those pics, I'd say he's pretty dead.

@Demonwolf: I seriously do think Mysterio not only could be great in a movie, but pull it off without a backup villain. Bruce Campbell would murder it too! And I say keep the fishbowl and original costume, just change the color to black with purple accents. It would be such a cool movie AND give room for Black Cat to be introduced. I think it'd be alot of fun.

The Scorpion is way to go for the next Spiderman movie

@ myth all these villians would be great to see i would also like to see a kraven and lizard because they have drawn dr. conners out since the first one he needs to be lizard already and seeing kraven on the big screen would be epic. but i feel that they need to try and give scorpin a shot even if he isn't the main baddie have him as a henchmen or something. i mean jamesons hatred of spidey could lead to them getting scorpin.

I suggested having Gargon take over as Venom months ago in another forum. I think they'd be able to make closer to the way he was in the comic as far as bulk goes. The scorpion would have to be ripped in order to carry that big ass tail around all the time- he gets whooped by spidey and then comes across the symbiote that conners still has in his lab- VENOM RETURNS! at the end, Spidey whoops Venom to within an inch of his life, so the symbiote splinters off pieces of itself (like a survival instinct, knowing that spidey almost killed it once before) giving birth to Carnage, etc. (c)

@myth, Did you not read the post?? all the pic shows is venom kickin it. BUT there is still one part of venom left,, or did that part of the film not happen?

what they should do is have eddie brock senior (a more muscular, venom-like eddie) to avenge his son's death. bam, done.

Yeh, pretty much every possibility of venom returning already been discussed on the spiderman movie boards... and came to the conclusion a long while back that it is 99.99% impossible for him to return without a reboot...

All they can do now is make another character venom or bring in carnage

Personally I want venom to have his own movie

The Myth,
There is a flaw with your argument that symbiotes can survive without a host for only a few hours...

I'll start by saying that years ago from when Venom's first apperance in 'The Amazing Spider-Man' issue #298 up until about the 5th Venom mini-series I read and collected every single comic that Venom ever appeared in. Every appearance in any Spider-Man comics, all crossovers like when he was in Darkhawk for a bit, the Spirits of Vengence crossovers-- everything.

Now up until that point what you say was not true. And I'll admit that I haven't read any Venom in recent years (and luckily missed all that Max Gargan garbage) so the rules could have changed and I wouldn't know, but here is why you are incorrect assuming they haven't and I can give you issues to prove this:

In 'The Amazing Spider-Man' #333 Styx, who's touch is fatal, touches Venom and we are led to believe that he kills the symbiote. Although the symbiote doesn't die it does disappear for quite some time. In issue #345 the symbiote returns to Eddie Brock while he is locked up at Ryker's Island prison and they reunite to become Venom again. (This is also where Cletus Kassidy finds the seed that eventually becomes his symbiote with whom he forms Carnage.)

Now obviously from one issue to the next isn't necessarily or usually a month like the time that they take to be released, but in real time that is still a span of 12 months that Eddie Brock and the symbiote were seperated. Either way I'd have to say that, although it probably wasn't a whole year in "Spider-Man time," it definitely was more than a few weeks.

I believe this disproves what you are saying. Feel free to correct me if things have changed since I stopped reading. However, even if things have changed it is still possible to do this in the movies while still staying true to the rules of the comic because whether or not today symbiotes can only live for a few hours without a host, it at least was "true" at one point. And coincidentally, this exact story is what we would need this to be true for in order for it to work in the movie.

Not to mention that I don't know why everyone is getting hung up on this particular symbiote/Venom rule when "Spider-Man 3" broke almost every single other of them, such as the fact that Peter could take it off like clothing, the fact that he didn't get it during The Secret Wars... I could keep going but I think I've proved my point. And not like they wouldn't just change that if they want to bring Venom back like they did with Uncle Ben's killer being The Sandman.

Tobuttica,
You can say that "MAYBE" that is what the symbiote was doing but you can't say "PROBABLY" because you have no proof whatsoever to come to such a decisive conclusion with absolutely nothing to back the theory at all.

Now I do like your theory, though, and I have considered it as an option too.

But even still, IF that is what the symbiote was doing then it still proves that it would be possible for the symbiote to find Eddie Brock again after a long period of time, assuming they decide to go with Eddie not being dead.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: I do not want them touching Venom again as long as they use Topher Grace-- or anyone else who isn't ridiculously huge-- because he was a horrible choice. IF they decide to go the route of (a) bringing back Venom and (b) having Eddie Brock not being dead then they need to reboot him. They successfully did it with Ed Norton as The Hulk so they could still pull it off a few movies down the road if they choose.

It's too bad, too, because they really could've made an excellent movie with Venom's return and Carnage's debut in "Spider-Man 5," loosely following the storyline of Carnage's comic debut in 'The Amazing Spider-Man' issues 361-363. That would have actually been the perfect main plot for the movie while developing The Sinister 6 as mini-stories and cameos throughout the film without ever having to have them face Spider-Man in #5 so it wouldn't be too much going on in one movie, and would set up the final "Spider-Man" film.

illusion maybe?